weanlings gone blind

vanderbadger

anyone ever seen this happen to weanlings, have 2 that have gone blind and very listless, very slow to come out of it, vet says its called CCN which is cerebrocortical necrosis or something like that
basically vit b deficiency causes by dietary upset, they are very slow to come out of it, im still hoping they will recover. its looks a bit like meningitis but they have no temp, anyone ever have this issue

bob charles

vanderbadger wrote: »

anyone ever seen this happen to weanlings, have 2 that have gone blind and very listless, very slow to come out of it, vet says its called CCN which is cerebrocortical necrosis or something like that
basically vit b deficiency causes by dietary upset, they are very slow to come out of it, im still hoping they will recover. its looks a bit like meningitis but they have no temp, anyone ever have this issue

Sounds like Vit B12 deficiency? which wouldn't tie in with the weather this year.

Symptoms as you say similar to meningitis. Have the Tshirt. Relapse very possible, getting the swelling down in the brain ASAP is most important so big shots of Cortisone are essential. Anytime I have had such a problem with Vit deficiencies I have fed a product called Supermicro afterwards to the affected animals, all be it my animals were only months away from slaughter

vanderbadger

bob charles wrote: »

Sounds like Vit B12 deficiency? which wouldn't tie in with the weather this year.

Symptoms as you say similar to meningitis. Have the Tshirt. Relapse very possible, getting the swelling down in the brain ASAP is most important so big shots of Cortisone are essential. Anytime I have had such a problem with Vit deficiencies I have fed a product called Supermicro afterwards to the affected animals, all be it my animals were only months away from slaughter

ya thats it, nasty fecker of a thing, they are like pin cushions form all he injections they have gotten, is that some type of supplement?

bob charles

http://www.agriking.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40&Itemid=69 scroll half ways down the page

best not give veterinary advice on here

yellow50HX

got a few of these a few years ago, neasty thing alright. we give all new born calves a shot of betamox LA and barium selante, the barium gives them a shot of vit b and the betamox is a good alround antibiotic. helps prevents ny infections and vit deficenties early. we have much better mortailty rates these days

Dampintheattic

yellow50HX wrote: »

got a few of these a few years ago, neasty thing alright. we give all new born calves a shot of betamox LA and barium selante, the barium gives them a shot of vit b and the betamox is a good alround antibiotic. helps prevents ny infections and vit deficenties early. we have much better mortailty rates these days

Fook, fook, fook, .................. giving an antibiotic to a new born calf, that probably hasn't an infection requiring it, never mind a prescription form a vet?:mad:

yellow50HX

Dampintheattic wrote: »

Fook, fook, fook, .................. giving an antibiotic to a new born calf, that probably hasn't an infection requiring it, never mind a prescription form a vet?:mad:

the advice was from the vet, and the pescriptions

Manoffeeling

yellow50HX wrote: »

the advice was from the vet, and the pescriptions

Just for 1 season until the problem was solved I assume. Or are you going to give all new born calves an anti biotic?

yellow50HX

Manoffeeling wrote: »

Just for 1 season until the problem was solved I assume. Or are you going to give all new born calves an anti biotic?

most of the cows calf on their own early in the year so if they calf at night the calf could be on the slats or cubicle passage covered in sh*t for a few hours before we get to them, silimaly as they are out wintered by day they could be covered in mud. had issues with swolen navels and infections getting into them from there are we wouldnt be able to dip it iodine for a few hours. vet recommed injecting them all as soon as they hit he ground. so they all get a shot.

Dampintheattic

yellow50HX wrote: »

most of the cows calf on their own early in the year so if they calf at night the calf could be on the slats or cubicle passage covered in sh*t for a few hours before we get to them, silimaly as they are out wintered by day they could be covered in mud. had issues with swolen navels and infections getting into them from there are we wouldnt be able to dip it iodine for a few hours. vet recommed injecting them all as soon as they hit he ground. so they all get a shot.

Manoffeeling

yellow50HX wrote: »

most of the cows calf on their own early in the year so if they calf at night the calf could be on the slats or cubicle passage covered in sh*t for a few hours before we get to them, silimaly as they are out wintered by day they could be covered in mud. had issues with swolen navels and infections getting into them from there are we wouldnt be able to dip it iodine for a few hours. vet recommed injecting them all as soon as they hit he ground. so they all get a shot.

From what I am reading, you are using anti biotic to compensate for poor hygiene conditions at calving time.

On a different note, where there might be a higher risk of infection when calving inside, I find it strange that 'mud' would be considered as a host for infection. I'm just confused. However, if you have experienced hardship with newborn calves re navels and you have it solved with a blanket injection, then I suppose it's a lesson learnt. Best of luck in the next season.

yellow50HX

Manoffeeling wrote: »

From what I am reading, you are using anti biotic to compensate for poor hygiene conditions at calving time.

On a different note, where there might be a higher risk of infection when calving inside, I find it strange that 'mud' would be considered as a host for infection. I'm just confused. However, if you have experienced hardship with newborn calves re navels and you have it solved with a blanket injection, then I suppose it's a lesson learnt. Best of luck in the next season.

like you say its a blacket injection for any infections. cant always get cows into a calvign pen before they calf, some you could be watching for days and other just pop out without warning. sitck cow calf into a straw bedded pen after calving.

dont house cows on straw but use a disenfectant powder on the beds to prevent injection. biggest issue we find is when the calf gets covered in sh*t be it mud, slurry, or whatever the cows wont lick them fully clean and it then they are most prone to infection. like you say it was a lesson learnt. we very seldom have to call the vet to a new born calf anymore expect in rare cases.

Dont be daft

vanderbadger wrote: »

anyone ever seen this happen to weanlings, have 2 that have gone blind and very listless, very slow to come out of it, vet says its called CCN which is cerebrocortical necrosis or something like that
basically vit b deficiency causes by dietary upset, they are very slow to come out of it, im still hoping they will recover. its looks a bit like meningitis but they have no temp, anyone ever have this issue

Had a bull go down with it earlier this year. He pulled out of it after about a week of treatment, cortisone and B1 supplement.

Lost a bull to it a few years ago cos we thought it was meningitis. By the time we copped it was B1 it was to late. He died 3 or 4 days after I'd first spotted him.

Don't wanna be negative but if they were at the blind stage by time they were treated I'm guessing the swelling was advanced. The lad I lost was the same.
Hope for the best, there's not a whole lot more you can do.

bb12

sounds like a problem i had with one of my goats...the stomach ph gets unbalanced due to a vitamin b1 deficiency. the brain swells and this goat went blind from it. i learned from then to always have a bottle of vitamin b1 on hand and when any of the other goats ever showed any sign of illness that was the first injection they got. never had any problems after that. might be worthwhile in stocking up on some vitamin b injections. we've also used them with ill sheep.

vanderbadger

they were all in yard sat morning but never noticed any probs, took some away from cows that morning, the following morning i noticed one wasnt at the barrier with the rest but didnt think much of it, that evening i got vet for her, the 2nd chap was sleepy in field monday morning but i hadnt noticed him before that, i got to walk him to yard but his sight deteriorated since i think, he is a more alert this evening maybe a bit i think, they are both eating away a bit anyway so hoping they will come still

bob charles

vanderbadger wrote: »

they were all in yard sat morning but never noticed any probs, took some away from cows that morning, the following morning i noticed one wasnt at the barrier with the rest but didnt think much of it, that evening i got vet for her, the 2nd chap was sleepy in field monday morning but i hadnt noticed him before that, i got to walk him to yard but his sight deteriorated since i think, he is a more alert this evening maybe a bit i think, they are both eating away a bit anyway so hoping they will come still

thats half the battle, sounds like they are over the hump and on the way to recovery