Alfa Gt 1.9d or bmw 320cd ?

vectra

My son is looking to change and is looking at these two options for now.
Nothing concrete yet so any other suggestions welcome.
Must be sporty looking and prefer diesel but open to petrol suggestions as well with fairly decent economy.
Budget 5~7k

Which one any why?

cabb8ge

Only plus for alfa is newer year possible for budget. 320cd look better, handle better, more comfortable, better resale.

I not put them as comparable really.

power pants

http://www.premiercars.ie/usedcars/

has a gt going for sale, 1.8 though

forgot to add, prefer the bmw over an alfa without doubt

166man

cabb8ge wrote: »

Only plus for alfa is newer year possible for budget. 320cd look better, handle better, more comfortable, better resale.

I not put them as comparable really.

Is that the only plus is it? Ever driven one or been in one compared to a 320d?

I'd put them both as two door coupes with 4 cylinder diesel engines. Pricewise about the same so fairly comparable in my book.




@Vectra - any GT he'd be looking at will be the 150bhp model. These had trouble with the swirl flaps and were often blanked. Think the belt needs to be done regularly enough although I tend to find conflicting figures on what that is exactly.

Gorgeous looking car though if you got a nicely specced one and some reasonable service history to it's name although the same could be said for the BMW!

Has he driven either of them?

Scortho

166man wrote: »

Is that the only plus is it? Ever driven one or been in one compared to a 320d?

I'd put them both as two door coupes with 4 cylinder diesel engines. Pricewise about the same so fairly comparable in my book.




@Vectra - any GT he'd be looking at will be the 150bhp model. These had trouble with the swirl flaps and were often blanked. Think the belt needs to be done regularly enough although I tend to find conflicting figures on what that is exactly.

Gorgeous looking car though if you got a nicely specced one and some reasonable service history to it's name although the same could be said for the BMW!

Has he driven either of them?

Belt on the jtd is at the same interval as the v6.

So 4 years/48000 miles although alfa still say 5 years or 72000 miles.
I think both of us know that 5 years is pushing it.....:pac:
http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_romeo_servicing.shtml


Vectra, what's wrong with his vrs?

cabb8ge

166man wrote: »

Is that the only plus is it? Ever driven one or been in one compared to a 320d?----

Onl;y plus, yes, in my view.

I have driven both, have you?

dgt

Both are fun to drive. Naturally the E46 is going to be a better handler due to wider tyres, rwd etc but the GT does offer similar levels of fun in a more exclusive manner

Jump into both, drive them and see what you think is the best advice I can dish out

bazz26

E46 320d especially decent spec M Sport models go for crazy money. On that budget you could be looking at a fairly leggy one.

This one looks decent:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/BMW/3-Series/M-Sport/201333217729859/

vectra

166man wrote: »

Has he driven either of them?

No,
It was just more of a suggestion from me.

Scortho wrote: »

Vectra, what's wrong with his vrs?

Nothing wrong,
Itchy wallet syndrome I think.

He was looking at this
http://http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2004-bmw-320cd-m-sport/4854524




I spotted this.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo/5412354

dgt

vectra wrote: »

He was looking at this
http://http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2004-bmw-320cd-m-sport/4854524

Alan, note those wheels :pac:

166man

cabb8ge wrote: »

Onl;y plus, yes, in my view.

I have driven both, have you?

Of course you have, just as well I take no note of your opinion so!



Vectra, those Msport E46's are nice, but Bazz is right they do go for crazy money these days. He might get a better example of a GT for his money?

I'd see if he can nab one for a test drive and go from there!

I hate itchy wallet syndrome!

Scortho

vectra wrote: »

No,
It was just more of a suggestion from me.




Nothing wrong,
Itchy wallet syndrome I think.

He was looking at this
http://http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2004-bmw-320cd-m-sport/4854524




I spotted this.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo/5412354

If its an itchy wallet syndrome he has tell him to buy a busso v6. Best cure for that! :pac:

Where's he located?
If he's up in Dublin he's more than welcome to take my 156 for a spin.

166man

OSI wrote: »

God this forum is a pain in the arse sometimes. I'm now trying to figure out how I can convince my girlfriend she needs an Alfa GT instead of an A4 Avant.

I'm trying to convince mine she needs a 147/156 over a Peugeot 206....:(


I'm thinking the new sign outside my house (see chat thread) has helped her decision making..;)

pred racer

OSI wrote: »

God this forum is a pain in the arse sometimes. I'm now trying to figure out how I can convince my girlfriend she needs an Alfa GT instead of an A4 Avant.

I'm trying to convince myself I need a GT and a 159:D

cabb8ge

166man wrote: »

Of course you have, just as well I take no note of your opinion so!

---

You ask me lot of questions considering you no notice take

Scortho

166man wrote: »

I'm trying to convince mine she needs a 147/156 over a Peugeot 206....:(


I'm thinking the new sign outside my house (see chat thread) has helped her decision making..;)

Tell her she needs a 406!

166man

cabb8ge wrote: »

You ask me lot of questions considering you no notice take

I just want see how you would answer. I no ask many question?

Scortho wrote: »

Tell her she needs a 406!

Indeed, I'm still looking at the silver one in bangernomics...;)

vectra

Scortho wrote: »

If its an itchy wallet syndrome he has tell him to buy a busso v6. Best cure for that! :pac:

Where's he located?
If he's up in Dublin he's more than welcome to take my 156 for a spin.

Living in Swords currently but he just informed me he thinks the Alfa is ugly.

320cd it is then.

Anyone know of good Msport ones point me toward them. ( within reason on price )

vectra

Scortho wrote: »

Tell her she needs a 406!

M16 :cool:

166man

vectra wrote: »

Living in Swords currently but he just informed me he thinks the Alfa is ugly.

320cd it is then.

Anyone know of good Msport ones point me toward them. ( within reason on price )

*Unsubscribes from thread to march off towards Swords in attempt to find ridiculously clean black Skoda VRs...


I'd have a look on BMWDriver and the likes Vectra, that'd be the place to buy one!

dgt

vectra wrote: »

M16 :cool:

That's a 405, you need the 406 2.0SRi if you can find one here!

vectra

dgt wrote: »

That's a 405, you need the 406 2.0SRi if you can find one here!

Sorry
Blonde moment. Thought it said 405.. *Time for specsavers I think* :cool:

Rowley Birkin QC

vectra wrote: »

Living in Swords currently but he just informed me he thinks the Alfa is ugly.

320cd it is then.

Anyone know of good Msport ones point me toward them. ( within reason on price )

If he definitely doing the mileage for diesel?

The CD's command a serious premium over the Ci's. You'd buy an awful amount of M-Sport Petrol and tax for €5-7k.

On the GT; my CEO has one and I think it's starting to look a bit dated, entirely subjective though.

Scortho

It depends on the colour of the gt.
If its flat black it will date very fast.
Likewise silver. I hate silver on an alfa.

dgt

Scortho wrote: »

It depends on the colour of the gt.
If its flat black it will date very fast.
Likewise silver. I hate silver on an alfa.

Ah no, I may dispose of all of them now.....

vectra

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

If he definitely doing the mileage for diesel?

The CD's command a serious premium over the Ci's. You'd buy an awful amount of M-Sport Petrol and tax for €5-7k.

On the GT; my CEO has one and I think it's starting to look a bit dated, entirely subjective though.

approx 20k miles per year.

the culture of deference

I have been looking at Alfa GT's for the last month.

2 of the best petrols with the right colour and interior and history

http://www.adverts.ie/car/alfa-romeo/gt/2005-alfa-romeo-gt-look-at-pics/3335293

4 BRAND NEW MSW 17" alloys with brand new tyres - €1050! (24/06/2013)

Alloys balanced and tracked - Red Callipers

Will come with BRAND NEW nct (car being tested 6/07/2013) had pre-nct last week and 12 MONTHS ROAD TAX - €636!

and

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/price-drop05-alfa-romeo-gt-2-0/5381005

there is a diesel in same colour

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-gt-bmw-320-audi-a3-celica/5589765

but this is an import, bought by seller in May this year.
The guy does not like answering questions.

MetzgerMeister

OSI wrote: »

God this forum is a pain in the arse sometimes. I'm now trying to figure out how I can convince my girlfriend she needs an Alfa GT instead of an A4 Avant.

Tell her to sign up here and we'll let just the Alfa fanbois post in the thread :pac:

166man

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Tell her to sign up here and we'll let just the Alfa fanbois post in the thread :pac:

No fanbois here, merely enthusiasts....;)

pred racer

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Tell her to sign up here and we'll let just the Alfa fanbois post in the thread :pac:

Nah, if she signs up here she will end up in a bloody silver bmw:)

Scortho

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Tell her to sign up here and we'll let just the Alfa fanbois post in the thread :pac:

Is she not going out with an alfa driver in the first place!

colm_mcm

At the risk of upsetting the Italian fans, I'm gonna say the 320d, the gt is underwhelming to drive, I was very disappointed, and drove 2 more afterwards that were the exact same. They're a beautiful car but that's about it for me.

Scortho

colm_mcm wrote: »

At the risk of upsetting the Italian fans, I'm gonna say the 320d, the gt is underwhelming to drive, I was very disappointed, and drove 2 more afterwards that were the exact same. They're a beautiful car but that's about it for me.

I haven't drove one so I can't comment on your underwhelming experience.
Does it matter however, as vectras son thinks its ugly?

colm_mcm

Scortho wrote: »

I haven't drove one so I can't comment on your underwhelming experience.
Does it matter however, as vectras son thinks its ugly?

Good point, didn't spot that.

MetzgerMeister

Scortho wrote: »

Is she not going out with an alfa driver in the first place!

Last time I looked, it was VW who made the Golf GTi :pac:

Scortho

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Last time I looked, it was VW who made the Golf GTi :pac:

God that's embarrassing.
I thought it was pred racer who made that comment....(who I hope to fu.ck owns an alfa so I can at least hold my head up slightly higher than it is now)

thecomedian

I'd pick the 320 with the M sport.

bazz26

Just make sure that it is a genuine 320cd M Sport and not a SE with aftermarket bits added on being advertised and priced as a M Sport. The easies way to tell a genuine M Sport is the interior black roof headlining. Very rare to find this retrofitted.