New Rules of Non-Use of tractor

hillbloom

I have a tractor that I only use in the summer for light work around the farm. I wont move it from the garage until next May. Never use it on the road. I don't have tax on it at all but I want to declare it non-use until 1st May 2014 & start taxing it from then. Do I have to fill in RF100A & get it signed in the Garda Station & also fill RF150 & bring both to the Motor Tax office.

seamus

Yes:
https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/staticContent.do?page=gappinginfo

Those whose vehicles have not been on the road must make a declaration of non-use for the period in question and either take out a new vehicle licence or make a declaration of non-use, that is, inform the motor tax authorities of their intention not to use the vehicle in a public place.

So you need the 100A to cover the arrears, and the 150 to cover September - April.

An Ri rua

Sorry to hijack: -

But I am in the process of declaring 3 old Nuffields and a Major and a David Brown 990. Plus 3 old cars. Not my vehicles. Helping someone else to fill in the forms.

1. What's all this about a main dealer stamp? How can you get any dealer to sign off on Nuffields?? Or indeed David Brown or Fordson Major?

2. How much is a replacement logbook? I think €12 from this link on Citizens Information but I've been told by a few in the vintage scene that they now cost €300?

Any advice welcome

colm_mcm

An Ri rua wrote: »

Sorry to hijack: -

But I am in the process of declaring 3 old Nuffields and a Major and a David Brown 990. Plus 3 old cars. Not my vehicles. Helping someone else to fill in the forms.

1. What's all this about a main dealer stamp? How can you get any dealer to sign off on Nuffields?? Or indeed David Brown or Fordson Major?

2. How much is a replacement logbook? I think €12 from this link on Citizens Information but I've been told by a few in the vintage scene that they now cost €300?

Any advice welcome

Do any of these vehicles have paperwork or are they even registered to your friend? Are they on Irish plates?

An Ri rua

Hi Colm MCM, thanks for the quick reply.

They're all Irish reg'd. I am helping my recently widowed mother to make them compliant. So that they can be sold on.

One has no logbook and no reg plate. Is it this one that needs an engineer report?
3 Nuffields have logbooks and regs. They are still in my deceased father's name.

1 David Brown 990 will be on the old archives. Last taxed in 86. Its a 1972 reg.

3 cars. 2 in my late father's name.

Another question: - How to change ownership over? I have RF200 forms (for pre 93 regs) but (IIRC) someone in the tax office has said to just continue with his name for now and write DECEASED beside his name. Going into tax office tomorrow with RF150s all filled in and need to fill in the correct 'arrears' form also for each.

colm_mcm

They'll be going into someone else's name eventually? In that case the arrears isn't an issue,

The one with no papers is the only tricky one. Does it have a chassis number, do you know if it was ever irish regd?

An Ri rua

colm_mcm wrote: »

They'll be going into someone else's name eventually? In that case the arrears isn't an issue,

The one with no papers is the only tricky one. Does it have a chassis number, do you know if it was ever irish regd?

They'll ALL be going into my mother's name asap. How does that sit alongside the arrears issue? You mean change the ownership now (RF200) and also fill out the RF150s? That would be so handy.


No logbook for the Fordson major Diesel but I will check for a chassis number tomorrow. As far as I know, she's Irish.

Thanks Colm.

colm_mcm

One thing I'm not 100% on though is if you got change of ownership sent off can you declare straight away or wait till it comes back.
If it goes beyond the end of the month would they make you pay 3 months minimum? I don't know tbh but I'd be inclined to declare them off road from the date of change of ownership.

Chimaera

Isn't road tax only payable if the vehicle is to be used on the road? I'd imagine a tractor that's spent its entire life off the road shouldn't be liable for tax?

colm_mcm

Chimaera wrote: »

Isn't road tax only payable if the vehicle is to be used on the road? I'd imagine a tractor that's spent its entire life off the road shouldn't be liable for tax?

No moreso than a car, thems the rules now.

An Ri rua

Well, I was in there today. For three hours!! A little wiser. But not a lot.

The change of ownership seems to be the way to go alright. The lady advised me that I'll have all October for those. I didn't know how that works? Unless there's a month's leeway now because of the queues? Unimaginably hard to hear at those counters with all of the rucus and confusion in the seats and hall behind. Farcical stuff! Mostly people having not taxed cars that are in use from what I could observe. This is fierce hassle for anyone in the vintage scene.

I was told that anything over 10 years untaxed gets taken off the system. So tractors and cars that are born and bred Irish have to be re-presented again, with affadavits and engineer's / dealer's reports! What's the point in a logbook if it can't be believed?

Can anyone tell me what the reasoning is behind the dealer stamp on the change of ownership form? They surely can't have any records on old deceased makes such as Nuffield and Fordson Major? Surely a Commissioner of Oaths could vouch that the logbook chassis number and reg agree?

We've been told 'sure if you know a dealer'. What sort of lackadaisical approach is this?

Anyone any idea whether dealers are signing off on classic / vintage stuff en masse or insisting on visual inspection (which is what they're effectively stamping and signing) ?


Anyone any opinions on leaving the 4-5 vehicles which are not on the system (and therefore not liable at all until they get presented for roadwork) parked up and finding an export market for them? Can they be exported as a group and leave this paperwork BS behind them?

Thanks in advance

ardmacha

The change of ownership seems to be the way to go alright. The lady advised me that I'll have all October for those.

Presumably if the change is in October and you tax for the whole month then it works out.

An Ri rua

ardmacha wrote: »

Presumably if the change is in October and you tax for the whole month then it works out.

How do you mean? Sure you can't tax anything for a month. Its 3 months minimum.

jd80

Has to be the biggest joke yet for anyone in the vintage scene or has a motor lying up - from motortax.ie


So you need to complete the form and then complete it agiain every 12 months as long as it is off the road

Q16. I have an old vehicle in the garage that hasn’t been used for years. Do I need to declare it off the road?
A16. If you think that, at any stage in the future, the vehicle might be put back on the road then, yes, you will need to make a declaration on Form RF100A during the transition period (1 July 2013 to 30 September 2013) to cover the past period of non-use, in order to avoid having to pay arrears, back to the date of expiry of the last motor tax licence, when the vehicle is being put back on the road. You will also have to complete Form RF150 to cover a period of non-use of up to a year going forward. If you are absolutely certain that the vehicle will never go back on the road, then you need to do nothing.

jd80

Then there is possible sh*t like this to consider

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/viewgalleryspecial.php?newsid=15

Esel

jd80 wrote: »

Then there is possible sh*t like this to consider

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/viewgalleryspecial.php?newsid=15

The first paragraph:

Since the start of this month the cost of registering a tractor within Ireland for the first time, new, old or vintage has gone up from €50 to €200. This means that when you seek to register the tractor and get a registration plate, the cost has risen by a massive 400%!

Someone failed Maths 101.