tagging bought in ewes

farawaygrass

hi all. i bought a few 2nd crop ewes privately and am wondering do i have retag the with a tag of my own or just write the dispatch docket number in the register and thats it? thanks in advance

sea12

farawaygrass wrote: »

hi all. i bought a few 2nd crop ewes privately and am wondering do i have retag the with a tag of my own or just write the dispatch docket number in the register and thats it? thanks in advance

I was thinking the very same myself today. Bought a few ewes in mart. I looked up the dept of ag site and it says no tags should be removed anymore. It didn't give an example of multi tag numbers. I just wrote in the no of sheep and the dispatch number. Will try ring Dvo office on Monday to clarify.

The whole sheep tag issue is one confusing mess in my opinion.

farawaygrass

very very confusing. i bought sheep last year too and wondering if by right they should be retagged aswell.

arais

farawaygrass wrote: »

hi all. i bought a few 2nd crop ewes privately and am wondering do i have retag the with a tag of my own or just write the dispatch docket number in the register and thats it? thanks in advance

second crop should have EID tags , so they keep them for life, just update your registery as described

if you bought privately you should got the pink copy of the dispatch document from the seller and you need to send this to your DVO , not necessary if bought in the mart

razor8

arais wrote: »

second crop should have EID tags , so they keep them for life, just update your registery as described

if you bought privately you should got the pink copy of the dispatch document from the seller and you need to send this to your DVO , not necessary if bought in the mart

dont think your right, buyer gets white dockets, its up to seller to sent pink docket to dvo

they should have eid's but do they OP?

arais

razor8 wrote: »

dont think your right, buyer gets white dockets, its up to seller to sent pink docket to dvo

I Think you need to read your NSIS booklet

D.5 Notification of Permanent Farm-to-Farm Movements
Where sheep are purchased directly from another flock keeper (not through a mart) the purchaser is required to notify this movement to the local office of the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) within 7 days for recording on the AIM Sheep Movement Database.
Farm to farm movements should be notified as set out in the steps below.
1. Farmer A sells/moves sheep to Farmer B and presents him/her with the white and pink copies of the properly completed dispatch/ movement document from his/her (Farmer A’s) holding.
2. Farmer B (Purchaser or destination holding) enters his/her flock number in the proper place on the white and pink copies of the dispatch/movement document.
3. Purchaser sends pink copy to the local DVO


@OP just re read your post. all the info is in the NSIS booklet found here

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/animalidentificationmovement/nationalsheepidentificationsystem/

farawaygrass

sorry, one correction i have to make to my op is that they were 3rd crop i bought not second crop, so they were born before the eid tags came in. i always thought too that buyer only got white copy, that is all i got both times too.
so if ye both bought 3rd crop ewes last year and this year did ye retag them with a tag of your own?

rancher

arais wrote: »

I Think you need to read your NSIS booklet

D.5 Notification of Permanent Farm-to-Farm Movements
Where sheep are purchased directly from another flock keeper (not through a mart) the purchaser is required to notify this movement to the local office of the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) within 7 days for recording on the AIM Sheep Movement Database.
Farm to farm movements should be notified as set out in the steps below.
1. Farmer A sells/moves sheep to Farmer B and presents him/her with the white and pink copies of the properly completed dispatch/ movement document from his/her (Farmer A’s) holding.
2. Farmer B (Purchaser or destination holding) enters his/her flock number in the proper place on the white and pink copies of the dispatch/movement document.
3. Purchaser sends pink copy to the local DVO


@OP just re read your post. all the info is in the NSIS booklet found here

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/animalidentificationmovement/nationalsheepidentificationsystem/

Had a farmer buying rams yesterday who insisted on getting the pink copy as he got a 3% penalty on his SFP for not sending in 2 pink copies this year.
a bit harsh I thought

arais

farawaygrass wrote: »

sorry, one correction i have to make to my op is that they were 3rd crop i bought not second crop, so they were born before the eid tags came in. i always thought too that buyer only got white copy, that is all i got both times too.
so if ye both bought 3rd crop ewes last year and this year did ye retag them with a tag of your own?

if they have 1 old type tag (white tag), you re tag with your own tags and record same in the register, if tthey have the 2 yellow tags they keep these for life , you need to chase up the pink copy and send it away, if you and the seller have the same DVO , he can send it in , if different DVO's it need to go to your own DVO, should have been done within 7 days.

rancher wrote: »

Had a farmer buying rams yester day who insisted on getting the pink copy as he got a 3% penalty on his SFP for not sending in 2 pink copies this year.
a bit harsh I thought

not really, if we want the system to work, every one will have apply to the rule book,

had an inspection sometime ago, and these guys really know what to look for when going through the register

in fairness if they see you are making an effort, they will allow some lee way for erros and omissions , inspector told me 1 guy had full mouthed ewes that were never tagged & he was doubtful if they were all home bred

sea12

" if they have 1 old type tag (white tag), you re tag with your own tags and record same in the register, if tthey have the 2 yellow tags they keep these for life , you need to chase up the pink copy and send it away, if you and the seller have the same DVO , he can send it in , if different DVO's it need to go to your own DVO, should have been done within 7 days."


But the original question is. When that are 3 yr old and already have tags on both years not electronic but from different farms. What do u do with them or record them in the book.

razor8

arais wrote: »

I Think you need to read your NSIS booklet

D.5 Notification of Permanent Farm-to-Farm Movements
Where sheep are purchased directly from another flock keeper (not through a mart) the purchaser is required to notify this movement to the local office of the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) within 7 days for recording on the AIM Sheep Movement Database.
Farm to farm movements should be notified as set out in the steps below.
1. Farmer A sells/moves sheep to Farmer B and presents him/her with the white and pink copies of the properly completed dispatch/ movement document from his/her (Farmer A’s) holding.
2. Farmer B (Purchaser or destination holding) enters his/her flock number in the proper place on the white and pink copies of the dispatch/movement document.
3. Purchaser sends pink copy to the local DVO


@OP just re read your post. all the info is in the NSIS booklet found here

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/animalidentificationmovement/nationalsheepidentificationsystem/

stand corrected, wasnt what i was doing, used to fill in all buyers details there and then and sent it off. some of the pink docs could be in the wrong dvo!!
better to know now rather than an inspector telling me!

Conmaicne Mara

Why not just have one central location dealing with it instead of this DVO or that DVO, unnecessary complication.

Lastin

Why not have a live online system to transfer sheep from flock to flock?