jeep/car and trailer licence

NewBeefFarmer

With the amt of them at the mart i was wondering how many actually have that special licence

Ok do you have one?

I dont,

i dont tow with car or jeep but might be soon enough.

Cran

got stopped about 5 years ago by a a*** garda, and couple of times since. Got the provisional after the first incident and was enough for first couple of stops. Did the test two years ago, nothing to it really and gives piece of mind.....

bbam

Maybe a mute point for ye bigger lads but on a regular licence the overall rig can be up to 3500kg provided the trailer has brakes.
Got this clarified recently when I was getting the caravan.

arais

yes I have and truck license as well,

anyone licensed pre 1989 will get the EB license automatically

it's not a big deal anyhow my daughter done the test lately and passed

lakill Farm

arais wrote: »

yes I have and truck license as well,

anyone licensed pre 1989 will get the EB license automatically

it's not a big deal anyhow my daughter done the test lately and passed

What makes someone with a pre 1989 license anyway better than me who has a full licence since 2003 , clear. except 2 points?

I know lots of lads in there 40s plus (1989 - 17years old ) minimum DOB of circa 1972 who cant handle a scale model 1/32 trailer

Sam Kade

lakill Farm wrote: »

What makes someone with a pre 1989 license anyway better than me who has a full licence since 2003 , clear. except 2 points?

I know lots of lads in there 40s plus (1989 - 17years old ) minimum DOB of circa 1972 who cant handle a scale model 1/32 trailer

Because back then we were getting away with murder You could have your provisional licence at 15 just by lying about your age no birth cert required As for your second statement there are lots of full licence drivers out there of all ages that you wonder who gave them a drivers licence :mad: There are also drivers of all ages that are very good drivers Before someone starts about all the licences that were given out without doing a driving test that only lasted a couple of months to clear a backlog, it happened around 78-79. The way some whipper snappers are going on about it on here you'd think no one over the age of 45 had to do the driving test :rolleyes: I did the test.

Bleating Lamb

bbam wrote: »

Maybe a mute point for ye bigger lads but on a regular licence the overall rig can be up to 3500kg provided the trailer has brakes.
Got this clarified recently when I was getting the caravan.

Does that include the weight of the jeep or just the trailer?

Juniorhurler

Jeep and trailer and the load

Muckit

I've heard rumours that there will b big clamp downs on this. Traffic core not ordinary garda so spuffing won't wash. At the end of the day country is shagged for money and they'l try get it any way they can even if this means fines

lakill Farm

Sam Kade wrote: »

Because back then we were getting away with murder You could have your provisional licence at 15 just by lying about your age no birth cert required As for your second statement there are lots of full licence drivers out there of all ages that you wonder who gave them a drivers licence :mad: There are also drivers of all ages that are very good drivers Before someone starts about all the licences that were given out without doing a driving test that only lasted a couple of months to clear a backlog, it happened around 78-79. The way some whipper snappers are going on about it on here you'd think no one over the age of 45 had to do the driving test :rolleyes: I did the test.

I know that loads did the test. My dad has all the licences and he gets it hard to drive the tractor drawing the turf. He would be a great driver. An uncle all his life driving on his farm and honest you wouldn't let him out with a bike.

But how can they just pick pre 1989? was it pulled out of there arse?

tabby aspreme

But how can they just pick pre 1989? was it pulled out of there arse?[/quote]

No it wasn't that simple at all, you see anyone who got a license after 1989 grew up watching Bosco and they'd be hole danegerres on the road

Johnny welder

Surley they could have made it simple if they wanted everyone to do a test by letting anyone who had a full license for lets say 2 years do a driving test with a trailer without having do do a theory test or loads of lessons,they would have allready shown they have capable experience by having a full licence for a few years.As for 1989 as the reference year it was probably pulled out of a hat,I wonder if you had a provisional that year would you qualify as I had?

Sam Kade

lakill Farm wrote: »

But how can they just pick pre 1989? was it pulled out of there arse?

I suppose they had to start somewhere.

Johnny welder wrote: »

Surley they could have made it simple if they wanted everyone to do a test by letting anyone who had a full license for lets say 2 years do a driving test with a trailer without having do do a theory test or loads of lessons,they would have allready shown they have capable experience by having a full licence for a few years.As for 1989 as the reference year it was probably pulled out of a hat,I wonder if you had a provisional that year would you qualify as I had?

Check your license to see if you have that category.

keep going

bbam wrote: »

Maybe a mute point for ye bigger lads but on a regular licence the overall rig can be up to 3500kg provided the trailer has brakes.
Got this clarified recently when I was getting the caravan.

Doing a bit of checking out on this and my reading of it is if your jeep is 2 ton and you cow box is 1 ton you can only carry 500 kilos in the trailer under the current B+trailer licence and you actually need a C1 licence to pull a trailer with say 5 cows in it.is thatcorrect

Conmaicne Mara

keep going wrote: »

Doing a bit of checking out on this and my reading of it is if your jeep is 2 ton and you cow box is 1 ton you can only carry 500 kilos in the trailer under the current B+trailer licence and you actually need a C1 licence to pull a trailer with say 5 cows in it.is thatcorrect

I believe the manufacturers stamp on the vehicle will be the limiting factor, that you will not be allowed to go over that regardless of what license you hold. That the weight will be the defining factor, whether you hold a jeep + trailer license or an arctic license.

larrymiller

What type of license do you need if your pulling a small trailer with a car and say a trailer that would squeeze say 10 calfs into it?

arctictree

I was thinking of getting a BE endorsement on my license (>3500Kg). Went down to the vehicle licensing centre and was told that in order to get a learner license you require a theory test for the pulling vehicle if you have not done a theory test one before.

So we are in the crazy situation that I have to do a theory test for a car even though I have a full license. And if I fail that test I still get to keep my license!

monseiur

Hi larrymiller

It is my understanding that :

The standard B licence will cover you to drive a tractor, car, pick up, jeep, mini bus etc. weighing up to 3,500 Kgs (3.5 Tons) You may carry up to 8 passengers in a mini bus or similar vehicle with suitable seating, seat belts etc. You may also tow a trailer up to a max. of 750 Kgs, that is the gross weight of the trailer and load

The BE licence will cover you to drive vehicles as above plus a trailer with a gross weight of up to 3,500 Kgs The trailer has to be plated by the manufacturer showing that's it's approved to carry the load, plus all wheels have to have brakes etc. etc.

So in your case if the total weight of the trailer and calves is under 750 Kgs. your B licence will cover you.

larrymiller

That's good I think I should be safe, I only do about 4 runs a year from the mart, the rest is tractor drawn, just handier in my case!

keep going

larrymiller wrote: »

That's good I think I should be safe, I only do about 4 runs a year from the mart, the rest is tractor drawn, just handier in my case!

Has to be single axel though, as far as I know

monseiur

keep going wrote: »

Has to be single axel though, as far as I know

It's the gross laden weight of the trailer i.e. the weight of the trailer plus the load that counts not the number of axles.
That's my understanding...but I could be wrong:o
But in practice most twin axle trailers are heavier and are sized and designed to carry a heavier load.

M.

Conmaicne Mara

monseiur wrote: »

The BE licence will cover you to drive vehicles as above plus a trailer with a gross weight of up to 3,500 Kgs The trailer has to be plated by the manufacturer showing that's it's approved to carry the load, plus all wheels have to have brakes etc. etc.

The towing vehicle must also be capable, the manufacturer will have the weight of the vehicle+trailer+trailer load on the vehicle, it's above in this thread somewhere.

For example an Avensis with a towbar and a Landcruiser with a towbar ain't capable of safely towing the same trailer, regardless of licence class, regardless or trailer brakes or stamp.

Conmaicne Mara

keep going wrote: »

Has to be single axel though, as far as I know

I may be wrong but I think the only thing single axle refers to is brakes. That a single axle doesn't need to be braked where as a trailer with more axles would.

I think 10 calves in a trailer is going to be over weight. 10 of my average ewes will be 500kg and they're mountain ewes.

mcvisto

Gardai will have an information stand at Roscommon Mart next Friday answering questions and handing out information packs on trailer and driving licence requirements.

Zoo4m8

Lads, have a look at the RSA website, it's all there and (fairly) easy to follow, we could go all round the place here with all sorts of comments that might just confuse the issue too much...

With all the talk here I thought I ' d check the licence just in case, it's a ten year and nearly up so haven't looked at it for years, as well as all the necessary I see I can drive a small truck and trailer up to 12,000kg , can't think of any great use for it , though if I ever move house I'll be able to do it in one go!

Muckit

mcvisto wrote: »

Gardai will have an information stand at Roscommon Mart next Friday answering questions and handing out information packs on trailer and driving licence requirements.

Thanks for that but won't be able to make it unfortunately. Do you know if this information is or will be available in any garda station?

mcvisto

Its just a local initiative between the mart, various farm organisations and the gardai in an effort to get the information out there but all the info is available from the RSA as pointed out by Zoo4m8

larrymiller

Yeah it's a fairly Strange subject, everyone has different understandings! If I was to get the trailer license would my first step be a theory test ?

amacca

I've had a full license for nearly ten years now, in that time I've gone to marts regularly with a trailer in tow. Not once have I had even a close call never mind an accident.

Now I've got to go and get a license to be legally able to do what I've been able to do competently for the past ten years - this is going to cost me money.....quite frankly I'd rather spend more money resisting this than its going to cost me getting the license....not only is it badly thought out imo

I am also ****ing sick to the back teeth of rules and regulations every where you turn.......I'm beginning to even get nervous getting up in the morning in case some ****er with a clipboard jumps out from under the bed to announce a new set of rules or regulations designed with the intention of either sucking money out of my wallet or making it harder to stay in business.

Why are people not going crazy about this, am I out on a limb here? Do most of you already have the license or do you actually think its being introduced properly?

What would be wrong with introducing it as an add on for all new licenses from now on for an extra fee and granting it to those who have a herd number and/or a way of proving they have owned and used a trailer for donkeys years?

arctictree

monseiur wrote: »

Hi larrymiller

It is my understanding that :

The standard B licence will cover you to drive a tractor, car, pick up, jeep, mini bus etc. weighing up to 3,500 Kgs (3.5 Tons) You may carry up to 8 passengers in a mini bus or similar vehicle with suitable seating, seat belts etc. You may also tow a trailer up to a max. of 750 Kgs, that is the gross weight of the trailer and load

The BE licence will cover you to drive vehicles as above plus a trailer with a gross weight of up to 3,500 Kgs The trailer has to be plated by the manufacturer showing that's it's approved to carry the load, plus all wheels have to have brakes etc. etc.

So in your case if the total weight of the trailer and calves is under 750 Kgs. your B licence will cover you.

My understanding is that a standard B licence allows your combined vehicle weight to be up to 3500Kg as long as the towing vehicle is heavier than the trailer (so would cover most jeeps). A BE brings this up to 7000Kg.

This is explained in the FJ : http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/farming-Weighing-up-licensing-changes--16362.html

Here's the extract:

The RSA website says drivers with a B licence can tow a trailer with a maximum authorized mass (MAM) also known as the Design Gross Vehicle Weight (DGVW) which is usually stamped on the metal plate of the trailer, that is no greater than 750kg. There is an exception and that is where the MAM of the trailer is less than the unladen weight of the vehicle (car or 4x4). In that case, the MAM of the trailer can be greater than 750kg provided that the combined MAM of the vehicle and trailer is not greater than 3,500kg. Despite this, the RSA says that, as a general rule, the category B licence would not allow you to tow a horsebox or a livestock trailer for bringing animals to the local mart. To tow a larger trailer you are required to have a BE driver's licence. - See more at: http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/farming-Weighing-up-licensing-changes--16362.html#sthash.BI6FgyNL.dpuf

Although further on it seems to add confusion for people who are getting a B license for the first time....

bbam

arctictree wrote: »

My understanding is that a standard B licence allows you to carry up to 3500Kg as long as the towing vehicle is heavier than the trailer (so would cover most jeeps). A BE will allow you to carry up to 7000Kg.

This is explained in the FJ : http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/farming-Weighing-up-licensing-changes--16362.html

Here's the extract:



Although further on it seems to add confusion for people who are getting a B license for the first time....

The portion in bold above is incorrect... you are not allowed to "carry" 3500kg on a B lisence..

"provided that the combined MAM of the vehicle and trailer is not greater than 3,500kg"

It clearly states that the combination weight of towing vehicle, trailer and load can be a maximum of 3500kg.
I checked this out recently for towing a 1400kg caravan behind my xtrail.. Have it printed in the glove box as many, many Garda aren't clear themselves on the rules..

arctictree

bbam wrote: »

The portion in bold above is incorrect... you are not allowed to "carry" 3500kg on a B lisence..

"provided that the combined MAM of the vehicle and trailer is not greater than 3,500kg"

It clearly states that the combination weight of towing vehicle, trailer and load can be a maximum of 3500kg.
I checked this out recently for towing a 1400kg caravan behind my xtrail.. Have it printed in the glove box as many, many Garda aren't clear themselves on the rules..

Sorry - I meant combination...I'll change my post...

bbam

arctictree wrote: »

Sorry - I meant combination...I'll change my post...

I wasn't meaning to be pedantic. It's just you'd be amazed at the number of people who see something like that on the inter web and take it as gospel. I'd hate to think of some lad in wellies getting in a bind with 3500kg on his trailer and his best defence is "but I saw it was ok on boards.ie".