50 years since "I have a dream" speech

MadsL

A black President of the United States of America will today commemorate the 50th anniversary of MLK's dream speech.

Has the black civil rights movement anything more to achieve or is the US sufficiently 'free at last'?

kneemos

Can of worms there op.

MadsL

kneemos wrote: »

Can of worms there op.

I can smell people backing away and going "I'm not touching that one"...


OK, I'll start it off...

The black civil rights movement now needs to focus of stopping black males killing other black males by making a life of crime less of a choice for young men. A black campaign for the legalisation of drugs?

Clandestine

And 50 years of his pathetic family using his name for profits

Nemeses

Isn't it discrimination these days to say "Blacks Civil Rights movement"?

I mean... Aren't we all equal now?

MadsL

Nemeses wrote: »

Isn't it discrimination these days to say "Blacks Civil Rights movement"?

I mean... Aren't we all equal now?

I'd say "Blacks Civil Rights movement" is a tad different to the "White Power Movement"....

I think ethnic groups have every right to point the finger at areas where they are discriminated against, no?

Karl Stein

Nemeses wrote: »

I mean... Aren't we all equal now?

No. Which is why countries crafted legislation that attempts to reign in racists, discriminators, xenophobes and those types.

Nemeses

MadsL wrote: »

I'd say "Blacks Civil Rights movement" is a tad different to the "White Power Movement"....

I think ethnic groups have every right to point the finger at areas where they are discriminated against, no?

Ah yeah but if you think about it, back then ( Which really isnt that long ago!), there was a divide for some strange reason between black and white... stupid one at that.

Now sure look, There's a black president, black actors, black footie players etc etc

I mean, they are just as common as white, pink, blue , yellow etc

It doesn't matter what colour you are! Which leads to my point..

Does a black Civil Rights Movement need to exist anymore - Has that goal not been achieved in this day of age?

I'd hope so anyway.

MadsL

Clandestine wrote: »

And 50 years of his pathetic family using his name for profits

Dexter King you mean?

MadsL

Nemeses wrote: »

Ah yeah but if you think about it, back then ( Which really isnt that long ago!), there was a divide for some strange reason between black and white... stupid one at that.

Now sure look, There's a black president, black actors, black footie players etc etc

I mean, they are just as common as white, pink, blue , yellow etc

It doesn't matter what colour you are! Which leads to my point..

Does a black Civil Rights Movement need to exist anymore - Has that goal not been achieved in this day of age?

I'd hope so anyway.

12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40.1% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison.

Fixing that is the next challenge imho.

Nemeses

MadsL wrote: »

12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40.1% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison.

Fixing that is the next challenge imho.

Interesting stats.

That would be a different issue alright and not racially related.

MadsL

Nemeses wrote: »

Interesting stats.

That would be a different issue alright and not racially related.

Huh?

What do you put it down to?

Nemeses

MadsL wrote: »

Huh?

What do you put it down to?

Gangs man!

You not watch Police Camera Action?

Muise...

emmmm, this is a trap, right OP? Aren't you the one who gives out that we don't know what we're talking about on other threads about the USA?
Please don't shoot!

Oranage2

MadsL wrote: »

I can smell people backing away and going "I'm not touching that one"...


OK, I'll start it off...

The black civil rights movement now needs to focus of stopping black males killing other black males by making a life of crime less of a choice for young men. A black campaign for the legalisation of drugs?

Is there more to it than this?

In my opinion its a poverty issue, and black people just happen to be the poor people.

The old warden in mount joy said its full with 80% from 5 black spots in Ireland. Id imagine the US is somewhat similar but on a larger scale, id assume black people make up these black spots, and its a fact that black people live in The more poorer and disadvantaged areas in term of crime and education.

If a black guy from tallaght commits a crime, is it because he's black or because he's from tallaght?

Clandestine

Oranage2 wrote: »

Is there more to it than this?

In my opinion its a poverty issue, and black people just happen to be the poor people.

Its a culture issue.

MadsL

Oranage2 wrote: »

In my opinion its a poverty issue, and black people just happen to be the poor people.

How did that happen...?

MadsL

Oranage2 wrote: »

If a black guy from tallaght commits a crime, is it because he's black or because he's from tallaght?

Uh oh. Ya done it now....

Nemeses

MadsL wrote: »

Uh oh. Ya done it now....

I'm bailing.

Oh wait, I'm banned from the last thread. I've already left the building.

Oranage2

MadsL wrote: »

How did that happen...?

Well when they were brought from Africa they were bottom of the ladder and were kept there up until recently, but the damage is already done.

biko

MLK was a great man, taken from us far too soon.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Nemeses wrote: »

Interesting stats.

That would be a different issue alright and not racially related.

Actually studies show it is race related.
I would suggest reading the work Loic Wacquant has done on the issue.

MadsL

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well when they were brought from Africa they were bottom of the ladder and were kept there up until recently, but the damage is already done.

Is the damage unfixable?

Oranage2

MadsL wrote: »

Is the damage unfixable?

In my opinion, its fixable, but I won't see it in my life time.

pale blue dot cotton

The black youth of America is ****ed. The prison system in America needs them too much.

MadsL

pale blue dot cotton wrote: »

The black youth of America is ****ed. The prison system in America needs them too much.

The profit making prison system you mean...

Czarcasm

MadsL wrote: »

I can smell people backing away and going "I'm not touching that one"...


OK, I'll start it off...

The black civil rights movement now needs to focus of stopping black males killing other black males by making a life of crime less of a choice for young men. A black campaign for the legalisation of drugs?

Black gangs killing each other Mads and your solution is to give them more drugs?

It's just my own personal opinion anyway that they can make all the equality laws they want, but equality laws don't change damnall, it's down to how a society addresses the issues of racism, xenophobia and discrimination.

Each of us has a part to play in how we treat other human beings, and some human beings just don't see it that way, hence there will never be any such thing as true equality and respect for each other among our fellow human beings.

TL;DR: You can't force integration, even with the best will and the best education in the world, people will always find something to feel superior or inferior about.

MadsL

Czarcasm wrote: »

Black gangs killing each other Mads and your solution is to give them more drugs?

Are they killing each other to get drugs or sell drugs?

It's just my own personal opinion anyway that they can make all the equality laws they want, but equality laws don't change damnall, it's down to how a society addresses the issues of racism, xenophobia and discrimination.

Each of us has a part to play in how we treat other human beings, and some human beings just don't see it that way, hence there will never be any such thing as true equality and respect for each other among our fellow human beings.

Well, it is amazing what is tolerated and what isn't. Even on boards, the Waterford forum right now is have a right go at at "Romaians"

Personally I have no tolerance for racism however it is expressed.

TL;DR: You can't force integration, even with the best will and the best education in the world, people will always find something to feel superior or inferior about.

It is not enforcing integration, it is zero tolerance for hate speech and discrimation that leads us, hopefully, forward.

XsApollo

MadsL wrote: »

I can smell people backing away and going "I'm not touching that one"...


OK, I'll start it off...

The black civil rights movement now needs to focus of stopping black males killing other black males by making a life of crime less of a choice for young men. A black campaign for the legalisation of drugs?

Its a life of crime for a reason.
My opinion on this is:-
You only have to look at where black people came from and how they lived.

Black Africans are very tribal people and have allways been in tribes killing each other and their neighbours and what not.

Each tribe had a strict heirachy and detested any other tribe in the vicinity .
Which is pretty similar to the gangs of blacks in the states.
They are just in a different world now but the same thing is happening in the states now as it was and still is in Africa.

It's pretty much the same thing in America now with gangs of blacks killing each other because its in there blood and nature and the only thing that's gonna get rid of it is evolution.

MadsL

XsApollo wrote: »

Its a life of crime for a reason.
My opinion on this is:-
You only have to look at where black people came from and how they lived.

Black Africans are very tribal people and have allways been in tribes killing each other and their neighbours and what not.

Each tribe had a strict heirachy and detested any other tribe in the vicinity .
Which is pretty similar to the gangs of blacks in the states.
They are just in a different world now but the same thing is happening in the states now as it was and still is in Africa.

It's pretty much the same thing in America now with gangs of blacks killing each other because its in there blood and nature and the only thing that's gonna get rid of it is evolution.

Wow.

Czarcasm

MadsL wrote: »

Are they killing each other to get drugs or sell drugs?

To control drugs availability I would say, both buying and selling, but it's not just drugs, it's guns, girls, territory, so many other reasons they'll kill each other for reasons we'd find hard to fathom. At least Martin Luther King wasn't so far removed from civil rights issues as the current great Orator. Unfortunately that's all he is- he talks the talk, but he's so far removed from his citizens daily lives that he thinks making great speeches will have any effect on a ten year old gun runner who has grown up accustomed to violence in their neighbourhood.

Well, it is amazing what is tolerated and what isn't. Even on boards, the Waterford forum right now is have a right go at at "Romaians"

That sounds like all they'll do tbh, a lot of hot air blowing online. I tend not to take any notice, because that's exactly what they want, a reaction. They're unlikely to changed their entrenched views on the back of an internet discussion.

Personally I have no tolerance for racism however it is expressed.

I know where you're coming from and all Mads, but like I said above, challenging any kind of racism, discrimination, xenophobia, hell tackling ANY issue online is just an exercise in futility, and the more you become entrenched in it, the more frustrated you'll get. People say plenty online that they wouldn't say offline, and those that do, I'm usually very quick to pull them up on it if I think it's worth my time bothering. There are some however that will choose to remain ignorant and those types I just don't waste my time on. Probability says the only danger they are is to themselves and eventually they'll end up on their own with nobody to listen to their spite filled ramblings.

It is not enforcing integration, it is zero tolerance for hate speech and discrimation that leads us, hopefully, forward.

I always say it- pick your battles, know your audience, because zero tolerance only works for physical actions; zero tolerance doesn't work to police people's thoughts.

ViveLaVie

XsApollo wrote: »

Its a life of crime for a reason.
My opinion on this is:-
You only have to look at where black people came from and how they lived.

Black Africans are very tribal people and have allways been in tribes killing each other and their neighbours and what not.

Each tribe had a strict heirachy and detested any other tribe in the vicinity .
Which is pretty similar to the gangs of blacks in the states.
They are just in a different world now but the same thing is happening in the states now as it was and still is in Africa.

It's pretty much the same thing in America now with gangs of blacks killing each other because its in there blood and nature and the only thing that's gonna get rid of it is evolution.

Quite possibly the stupidest post I've ever read on boards.

Czarcasm

MadsL wrote: »

Wow.

I won't quote the post this relates to, but do you see what I mean now about trying to have an online discussion about the issues and people coming out with utter bullshìt like that?

Where do you even start? :pac:

AngeGal

XsApollo wrote: »

Its a life of crime for a reason.
My opinion on this is:-
You only have to look at where black people came from and how they lived.

Black Africans are very tribal people and have allways been in tribes killing each other and their neighbours and what not.

Each tribe had a strict heirachy and detested any other tribe in the vicinity .
Which is pretty similar to the gangs of blacks in the states.
They are just in a different world now but the same thing is happening in the states now as it was and still is in Africa.

It's pretty much the same thing in America now with gangs of blacks killing each other because its in there blood and nature and the only thing that's gonna get rid of it is evolution.

It's thoughts like this that make me doubt whether everyone should really be entitled to an opinion.

Nodin

XsApollo wrote: »

Its a life of crime for a reason.
My opinion on this is:-
You only have to look at where black people came from and how they lived.

Black Africans are very tribal people and have allways been in tribes killing each other and their neighbours and what not.

Each tribe had a strict heirachy and detested any other tribe in the vicinity .
Which is pretty similar to the gangs of blacks in the states.
They are just in a different world now but the same thing is happening in the states now as it was and still is in Africa.

It's pretty much the same thing in America now with gangs of blacks killing each other because its in there blood and nature and the only thing that's gonna get rid of it is evolution.

...while there is always one, and its very clear that in this case you are he, I have to say that there - even in the face of classics - is some serious bolloxology.

mattjack

Czarcasm wrote: »

I won't quote the post this relates to, but do you see what I mean now about trying to have an online discussion about the issues and people coming out with utter bullshìt like that?

Where do you even start? :pac:

AngeGal wrote: »

It's thoughts like this that make me doubt whether everyone should really be entitled to an opinion.

Nodin wrote: »

...while there is always one, and its very clear that in this case you are he, I have to say that there - even in the face of classics - is some serious bolloxology.

I'm tired,bad tempered and not long in from work but these posts are after making me laugh.