Placing Everywhere

Sean_pop

Can someone tell me if placing everywhere is in play does it mean you can place literally everywhere.

for example can you place a ball in a bunker?

Benicetomonty

Sean_pop wrote: »

Can someone tell me if placing everywhere is in play does it mean you can place literally everywhere.

for example can you place a ball in a bunker?

No. You cannot place a ball in a hazard under any circumstances without invoking a penalty. Placing everywhere comes into play over winter to try and deal with the problem of mud and embedded balls, but a shot into a hazard is subject to the same process as 'summer' rules.

slave1

Rule for placing in bunkers is usually noted at the beginning of the round, "rake and place" is the most common...

Roger_007

I think the proper term is "through the green", meaning everywhere in bounds except in hazards.

Sean_pop

cheers

ssbob

Sean_pop wrote: »

Can someone tell me if placing everywhere is in play does it mean you can place literally everywhere.

for example can you place a ball in a bunker?

Surely there is no course in Ireland where placing is in place this week?

Almaviva

If placing everywhere is in play then you can place everywhere (including bunkers, hazards etc).
If placing is 'through the green' then you can place everywhere except bunkers or water hazards, the tee of that hole (say you top a shot a yard), or the green of the hole you are playing.

Benny Cake

Almaviva wrote: »

If placing everywhere is in play then you can place everywhere (including bunkers, hazards etc).
If placing is 'through the green' then you can place everywhere except bunkers or water hazards, the tee of that hole (say you top a shot a yard), or the green of the hole you are playing.

This would be my understanding as well...

GreeBo

Almaviva wrote: »

If placing everywhere is in play then you can place everywhere (including bunkers, hazards etc).
If placing is 'through the green' then you can place everywhere except bunkers or water hazards, the tee of that hole (say you top a shot a yard), or the green of the hole you are playing.

the tee is only the area defined by the markers extending back 2 club lengths, so if you top it a yard you can indeed place it as you are through the green.

Sean_pop

ssbob wrote: »

Surely there is no course in Ireland where placing is in place this week?

Thankfully not yet. its just last year I wasn't sure weather you could place the ball in bunkers/hazards.

I was under the impression you could place it everywhere as it clearly says on the pro shop window during winter "placing everywhere".

However when playing with a friend of mine he hit a shot into a bunker and it plugged. I said you can place it sure. He said you cannot place a ball in a hazard ie bunker.

A New earth

Usually when people say "It's placing everywhere today" they mean on fairways & in rough. They say that as the usual alternative is placing on fairway & drop in the rough so placing everywhere means you do not have to drop in the rough.

The exact meaning of course would be "everywhere" but I have never seen that (course would have to be in bits!)

indabunka

There seem to be few clubs that have local rules posted that state “Placing Everywhere”.
My question to any rules experts out there is how is this not in breach of the Rules of Golf where under Rule 13-1 “The ball must be played as it lies, except as otherwise provided in the rules”
I’m aware that local rules can be published for local abnormal conditions if they are consistent with the policy in appendix 1-Local Rules, however I can see nothing in the specimen local rules that allows “placing everywhere”.
Is it possible that the clubs that have placing everywhere have got approval from the R&A to modify a rule of golf or do these courses not have any rough therefore “preferred lies” in closely mown areas apply?

golfwallah

indabunka wrote: »

There seem to be few clubs that have local rules posted that state “Placing Everywhere”.
My question to any rules experts out there is how is this not in breach of the Rules of Golf where under Rule 13-1 “The ball must be played as it lies, except as otherwise provided in the rules”
I’m aware that local rules can be published for local abnormal conditions if they are consistent with the policy in appendix 1-Local Rules, however I can see nothing in the specimen local rules that allows “placing everywhere”.
Is it possible that the clubs that have placing everywhere have got approval from the R&A to modify a rule of golf or do these courses not have any rough therefore “preferred lies” in closely mown areas apply?

I've played quite a few courses and have never seen local rules posted on notice boards that state "Placing Everywhere".

Usually, the local rules posted are pretty specific along the lines that placing is allowed on fairways, rough or "through the green", etc.

That said, common parlance among players to describe such local rules often include the phrase "placing everywhere".

It would help if you took a pic with your camera phone to illustrate the point you are making as I doubt if handicap / competition secretaries would post local rules along the lines you have described.

indabunka

golfwallah wrote: »

I've played quite a few courses and have never seen local rules posted on notice boards that state "Placing Everywhere".

Usually, the local rules posted are pretty specific along the lines that placing is allowed on fairways, rough or "through the green", etc.

That said, common parlance among players to describe such local rules often include the phrase "placing everywhere".

It would help if you took a pic with your camera phone to illustrate the point you are making as I doubt if handicap / competition secretaries would post local rules along the lines you have described.

I too would have thought that additional local rules should be published/posted as per the Rules of Golf but here are a few examples from different clubs along the lines I have described

"If we have ‘placing everywhere’ at any stage it always means everywhere except in water hazards"

"The course is open. Today's competition is: Men's , 18 Holes, Singles, Stableford, White Markers. The Tee is reserved from 2.00pm-3.00pm. Placing Everywhere."

"Unfortunately, due to the weather placing everywhere is still in operation so therefore the Members Prize will be a non-qualifying competition and hopefully this will be the last non-qualifier this year."

PARlance

I'm a bit lost:
Is there a problem with that sign?
Do you think they should state "except bunkers, furze and water hazards" ?

@golfwallah, don't call me common

Rikand

Does that mean you can get 6 inches of relief on the greens as well

golfwallah

indabunka wrote: »

I too would have thought that additional local rules should be published/posted as per the Rules of Golf but here are a few examples from different clubs along the lines I have described

"If we have ‘placing everywhere’ at any stage it always means everywhere except in water hazards"

"The course is open. Today's competition is: Men's , 18 Holes, Singles, Stableford, White Markers. The Tee is reserved from 2.00pm-3.00pm. Placing Everywhere."

"Unfortunately, due to the weather placing everywhere is still in operation so therefore the Members Prize will be a non-qualifying competition and hopefully this will be the last non-qualifier this year."

I see what you mean.

The rules are pretty clear to me, but custom & practice at clubs, such as those you mention, are another thing altogether.

The following is an extract from the R&A Rules of Golf (2012 – 2015), under the section dealing with Administration and Rule 33 (The Committee) http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Rules-of-Golf.aspx#/rules/?ruleNum=33&subRuleNum=8:

Rule 33.8:
a. Policy
The Committee may establish Local Rules for local abnormal conditions if they are consistent with the policy set forth in Appendix I.

b. Waiving or Modifying a Rule
A Rule of Golf must not be waived by a Local Rule. However, if a Committee considers that local abnormal conditions interfere with the proper playing of the game to the extent that it is necessary to make a Local Rule that modifies the Rules of Golf, the Local Rule must be authorised by the R&A.

If you look through Appendix I, you will note that there is no provision for vague local rules, such as “Placing Everywhere”.

But rules and the application thereof, mostly by voluntary committees, that may not be fully au fait the published R&A Rules of Golf, are a different matter. And some on committee can be sensitive about being told of mistakes like this ..... so, a modicum of diplomacy might be a good idea here.

Wombatman

ssbob wrote: »

Surely there is no course in Ireland where placing is in place this week?

Still placing in many clubs and on the Pga Tour this week. Surprised you are surprised by this.

charlieIRL

Wombatman wrote: »

Still placing in many clubs and on the Pga Tour this week. Surprised you are surprised by this.

Ssbob posted that comment 8 months ago!!

Wombatman

charlieIRL wrote: »

Ssbob posted that comment 8 months ago!!

Doh. Thought this thread was new. Please ignore my ramblings.