Violent public incident, Drumcliffe Cemetery, 27.08.13

Balagan

A violent public incident at Drumcliffe Cemetery yesterday evening.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/four-men-injured-after-violent-row-in-cemetery-29532284.html
http://clare.fm/news/three-arrested-following-brawl-ennis-cemetery
http://www.clareherald.com/2013/08/several-injured-during-daylight-brawl.html

Ennis becoming infamous for such violent public incidents now.

angelfire9

Nothing new
Unfortunately this is getting common place with certain people :mad:

seachto7

As long as they kill each other off, it's all good.

golfball37

Its beyond a joke at this stage. Myself or the wife could easily have been there with the kids yesterday as we go at least once a week.

Its time these people were stripped of their rights. They have the town ruined.:mad:

blowin3

I won't open my mouth the last time I got a warning

washman3

seachto7 wrote: »

As long as they kill each other off, it's all good.

Unfortunately this used to be the barstool mantra in Limerick city a few years ago when murders almost seemed like a weekly occurrence. Everyone pretended it wasn't a problem, or better still, their problem. All was 'well' until an innocent man, Shane Geoghegan, was walking home, and just because he beared a resemblance to a gang member he was shot dead. Around the same time Roy Collins, a publicans son, was shot dead simply because a gang leaders 13 year old sister was refused alcohol in his fathers pub.
Then suddenly, our same barstool experts fumed with anger and demanded action be taken, oblivious to the fact that the battle against the gangs was already well and truly lost.
My point here is that this problem in Ennis should have been nipped in the bud ages ago regardless of who these individuals are and not wait until innocent citizens become drawn into these fueds. The Gardaí must show a 'heavy hand' and not wait for years as they did in Limerick to proclaim 'victory'.

Stuxnet

Silentcorner

washman3 wrote: »

Unfortunately this used to be the barstool mantra in Limerick city a few years ago when murders were virtually a weekly occurrence. Everyone pretended it wasn't a problem, or better still, their problem. All was 'well' until an innocent man, Shane Geoghegan, was walking home, and just because he beared a resemblance to a gang member he was shot dead. Around the same time Roy Collins, a publicans son, was shot dead simply because a gang leaders 13 year old sister was refused alcohol in his fathers pub.
Then suddenly, our same barstool experts fumed with anger and demanded action be taken, oblivious to the fact that the battle against the gangs was already well and truly lost.
My point here is that this problem in Ennis should have been nipped in the bud ages ago regardless of who these individuals are and not wait until innocent citizens become drawn into these fueds. The Gardaí must show a 'heavy hand' and not wait for years as they did in Limerick to proclaim 'victory'.

While I agree with your core message, however it must be pointed out that murders were NEVER a weekly occurance in Limerick, there were 22 murders over a 10 year period attributed to our criminal elements, you are way off with your figures, completely misinformed even.

Your point is very valid, Ennis is in the early stages of developing a nasty reputation, with more coverage in the media before you know it some journalist gives you a tabloid like nickname, which spreads like wildfire, every event that happens in your town gets more coverage than it normally would, at which point you can kiss goodbye to your tourist industry and your ability to attract investment, the business community, media, gardai and citizens need to come together quick and ensure that doesn't happen to what is a lovely town, you wouldn't like to be in a situation whereby your fellow Irish citizens won't set foot in your town for fear of being one of those weekly murder victims.

Claregirl

Video removed from Youtube - I wonder why:rolleyes:

Can you give us the gist?

Doom

I'm not going to slag them off, but I would like to make some points....

This minority will talk about someone disrespecting their family and look for money to help with troubles/ ease the pain and to sit down and talk to the other side....next thing someone will say peace has been restored.....its a scam!
Roll on a couple of months and they will do the same again, its all about squeezing money from local government/ welfare/ bleeding heart brigade.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why they still have a right to call themselves a ethnic group, they live in houses with a caravan or campervan in the driveway, drive cars, claim welfare/ watch Sky on TV's, drink in pubs when let in, marry in churches, have parties in hotels, go on holiday for a few months to UK or mainland europe.....nothing ethnic about this, their old ways/ culture is long gone, time to integrate or bugger off.

What's historical about laying tarmac....tarred roads are not even a hundred yrs old! Scrap metal dealing is a recent development in this country, a couple of yrs ago you had to pay someone to take away your scrap metal....

......time to walk up and call a halt to this "ethnic group" scam, they are not respectful to any area they are given or even to the "own" people.

washman3

Silentcorner wrote: »

While I agree with your core message, however it must be pointed out that murders were NEVER a weekly occurance in Limerick, there were 22 murders over a 10 year period attributed to our criminal elements, you are way off with your figures, completely misinformed even..

Post corrected. But you see where i'm coming from.
Just that I live in Limerick and at one point in time some years ago it just seemed like it was only a matter of time to the next murder. If I recall correctly there were 6 murders in as many months. Way out of proportion to any city of its size, indeed to any civilised society.
As you agree with my core point, I feel that the ordinary decent people of the lovely town of Ennis must demand immediately that this situation must not get out of hand.
Lessons must be learned from the 'im all right jack' attitude that prevailed in Limerick for years.

Silentcorner

washman3 wrote: »

Post corrected. But you see where i'm coming from.
Just that I live in Limerick and at one point in time some years ago it just seemed like it was only a matter of time to the next murder. If I recall correctly there were 6 murders in as many months. Way out of proportion to any city of its size, indeed to any civilised society.
As you agree with my core point, I feel that the ordinary decent people of the lovely town of Ennis must demand immediately that this situation must not get out of hand.
Lessons must be learned from the 'im all right jack' attitude that prevailed in Limerick for years.

Civilised Society? I'm not going to get into this nonsense...


Good luck with your crime problem, if the town isn't careful it will become a crime issue and an image problem, then you are in trouble...you'll have people lashing around all kind of ridiculous stats claiming intimate knowledge of the crime situation in your town...

JOSman

No guys, it's not just Limerick or Ennis. There has been an underlying culture developed in Ireland. This is in every town and village in the country. Depending on the number of the "underlying culture" population of an area will depend of the seriousness of an incident.

I was in Templebar Monday week and when I left a restaurant there was a bunch of young men and girls beating the sh1t out of each other. These people were not visiting the area they lived locally (so it would appear). What can be done? Bleeding hearts will stop authorities from doing anything about it.

What's the solution?

blowin3

JOSman wrote: »

No guys, it's not just Limerick or Ennis. There has been an underlying culture developed in Ireland. This is in every town and village in the country. Depending on the number of the "underlying culture" population of an area will depend of the seriousness of an incident.

I was in Templebar Monday week and when I left a restaurant there was a bunch of young men and girls beating the sh1t out of each other. These people were not visiting the area they lived locally (so it would appear). What can be done? Bleeding hearts will stop authorities from doing anything about it.

What's the solution?

Whats the solution lock them away!!!
I lived in Limerick from the late 70s for over 20 years and saw these gangs rise and yes most were traveling stock maybe second or third generation and YES they also were above the law and did what they wanted. But it took Limerick a long time to wake up and deal with these people. We here in Ennis pass burnt out houses paid by the tax payer all over Ennis and tut tut its a DISGRACE but whats done about it put them in private estates. These people have NO rights you break the law drugs violence etc does not matter what back round you come from. But Ennis needs to stand up to these people and more important the police need to do their job.

I will finish by saying spend a day in Ennis court and see what happens there!

angelfire9

blowin3 wrote: »

Whats the solution lock them away!!!
I lived in Limerick from the late 70s for over 20 years and saw these gangs rise and yes most were traveling stock maybe second or third generation and YES they also were above the law and did what they wanted. But it took Limerick a long time to wake up and deal with these people. We here in Ennis pass burnt out houses paid by the tax payer all over Ennis and tut tut its a DISGRACE but whats done about it put them in private estates. These people have NO rights you break the law drugs violence etc does not matter what back round you come from. But Ennis needs to stand up to these people and more important the police need to do their job.

I will finish by saying spend a day in Ennis court and see what happens there!

I think you will find that the Gardai DO do their job and if you actually spend tie in Ennis DC you will see its not them that leave these guys out on the street!!

blowin3

angelfire9 wrote: »

I think you will find that the Gardai DO do their job and if you actually spend tie in Ennis DC you will see its not them that leave these guys out on the street!!

That's why I said spend a day in Ennis court and see what goes on there.

But when I see a guy stand out on the road in O Connell st and stick his middle finger at 3 Gardai in a squad car and they did not even stop. Maybe they know they would be wasting their time. But if some one from the settled community did it they would be arrested .
That why the problem escalated in Limerick because these people thought and WERE above the civil law

Balagan

Certainly attending the courts in Ennis is an eye opener. We also have two good local newspapers which carry court reports and the Champion in particular carries excellent reports. There we see the same names and the same families appearing over and over again regular as clockwork with convictions for increasingly serious offences. If both newspapers could keep careful records (difficult because of similar family names) it would be a real community service if each time there is a repeat conviction the court report could be accompanied by a list of the person's previous convictions along with a notation as to whether they were afforded Free (to them) Legal Aid in the cases. Also carry photographs of those convicted instead of the now commonly used photos of judges and solicitors.

blowin3

Balagan wrote: »

Certainly attending the courts in Ennis is an eye opener. We also have two good local newspapers which carry court reports and the Champion in particular carries excellent reports. There we see the same names and the same families appearing over and over again regular as clockwork with convictions for increasingly serious offences. If both newspapers could keep careful records (difficult because of similar family names) it would be a real community service if each time there is a repeat conviction the court report could be accompanied by a list of the person's previous convictions along with a notation as to whether they were afforded Free (to them) Legal Aid in the cases. Also carry photographs of those convicted instead of the now commonly used photos of judges and solicitors.

Well said I am glad people are now talking about this because maybe and I said maybe people may listen. Because these people should not be allowed ruin this town. So lets keep talking and writing about this situation and put pressure on local politicians to do some thing.

seachto7

blowin3 wrote: »

That why the problem escalated in Limerick because these people thought and WERE above the civil law

Bang on. In Ireland in general. Criminal elements of society think the law of the land is a nuisance to them. They don't respect the law, and their attitude is "well, what the f*ck are you going to do about it". They know they can get away with it, that's why they do it.

Even a lot of them who might not be violent or breaking the law operate outside the law, if that makes any sense!

blowin3

I don't have much more to say about this as any more may say so called "raciest" but what I will say is these people have no rights as they' break the law. The bleeding hearts in this town who say they
have to live some where ( maybe not next to me) have to re look at the situation . I am sure we all remember pubs losing their licences because they
would not serve travellers . But if a settled person was told we are not serving you that's it no argument .
I have said that all people go to the court and watch our solicitors earn their free legal aid paid by us the tax payer. It Will open your eyes .

seachto7

Are the people involved in this anything to do with the row that broke out in a pub in Ennis a while back?

periodictable

Bullies and thugs only understand what they dish out to others.
Reply in kind and they understand not to fcuk with you.

Clareman

Folks,

You may think that you are posting anonymously, but your details (registration email and IP addresses) are logged and if a court order is made to boards.ie your details will be shared. Incitement of Hatred is illegal in Ireland so if you decide to condone violence or to meet an illegal act with another illegal act, this may result if you details being sought.

The Mods here have be accused repeatedly of over zealous of the moding of threads like this so I am going to leave the above posts up, if a poster wants to edit them themselves fire away, if you can't edit yourself, report the post and the mods will edit them for you.

Any posts after this post inciting violence will however be met with an infraction/ban, so please take this post as a Warning post.

Lady Chatterton

Clareman wrote: »

Folks,

You may think that you are posting anonymously, but your details (registration email and IP addresses) are logged and if a court order is made to boards.ie your details will be shared.

This actually happened in my workplace a while back, the Gardaí turned up and confronted one of my work colleagues about their online messages. It is fairly easy to track people down.

poppyvally

blowin3 wrote: »

I won't open my mouth the last time I got a warning

Dont mention the war!

Balagan

periodictable wrote: »

Bullies and thugs only understand what they dish out to others.
Reply in kind and they understand not to fcuk with you.

You'd need to think that one through. Isn't that the kind of approach that has led these families into this never ending cycle of retaliation which is now being enacted on our streets, in schools, school yards, church grounds and cemeteries? Violence begets only one thing.

What is the root cause of the fighting? All that ever seems to come out in court is some vague reference to slights and falling outs like we were back in the misty past where honour is to be defended at all costs even in the most dishonourable ways. Maybe the Gardai and the courts and some good investigative journalism need to stop following the honour and start following something else.

periodictable

Balagan wrote: »

You'd need to think that one through. Isn't that the kind of approach that has led these families into this never ending cycle of retaliation which is now being enacted on our streets, in schools, school yards, church grounds and cemeteries? Violence begets only one thing.

What is the root cause of the fighting? All that ever seems to come out in court is some vague reference to slights and falling outs like we were back in the misty past where honour is to be defended at all costs even in the most dishonourable ways. Maybe the Gardai and the courts and some good investigative journalism need to stop following the honour and start following something else.

So we join hands and sing Kumbya? As useful as trying to teach a dog to fly a plane.
There needs to be a mandatory minimum sentencing for many crimes, and a tough uncompromising prison regime. Fighting in our schools, ramming of garda vehicles, torching of public authority housing. What I glean from this is that the perpetrators have no fear for the consequences.
All citizens should be dealt with equally under the law, and as citizens a respect for the basic norms of civilized behavior demanded of them.