new full suspension under €2K

Hi All

Looking at getting a new full suspension for under 2K. Found 2 I really like the look of primarily because of the travel in the forks and they look solid and have good parts. Vitus looks to be my favorite but relatively unknown brand (in the internet world there are hardly any reviews!)

1) BeOne Moka 160: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/beone-moko-160-full-suspension-bike/rp-prod59253

2) Vitus Escarpe http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/vitus-bikes-escarpe-i-suspension-bike-2013/rp-prod81016

Probably leaning towards the Vitus...

What do you guys think?

Tenzor07

I would not pay the guts of €2k for either of those bikes... though at a push the Vitus...

However, have a look around your Local bike shop.. or those in the Dublin area...

most are selling off their 2013 bikes with big discounts..big brands like Giant, specialized, Trek etc..

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I would not pay the guts of €2k for either of those bikes... though at a push the Vitus...

However, have a look around your Local bike shop.. or those in the Dublin area...

most are selling off their 2013 bikes with big discounts..big brands like Giant, specialized, Trek etc..

I'll be having a look around for sure.

Why wouldn't you like either of those bikes? They're heavily discounted and have great specs unless I'm missing something?

C3PO

If you're going to buy online you'd be crazy to consider anything other than this!

https://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=3039

Or try and go the extra for this

https://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=3040

But as Tenzor says try and get a deal on a 2013 bike locally first!

Squidgy Black

I'd go with this XT equipped Felt from Eurocycles for that kinda money http://eurocycles.com/ie/product/felt/edict-elite

Cheers C3PO, that Canyon looks awesome (well both of them do), will add that to the list.

I am going to try locally first but I won't rule out online either if the better deal is there.

Stetyrrell, there's not much movement in the front forks in that bike you posted...I'm looking for at least 140/150

But seriously, what's the story with the first 2 I posted? Is it because they're not well known brands? Or is there something flawed I'm missing? Vitus looks exceptionally good value for money.

C3PO

stetyrrell wrote: »

I'd go with this XT equipped Felt from Eurocycles for that kinda money http://eurocycles.com/ie/product/felt/edict-elite

Only 100mm of travel so fairly limited in its use and only large and XL! Well specked though!

C3PO

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Cheers C3PO, that Canyon looks awesome (well both of them do), will add that to the list.

I am going to try locally first but I won't rule out online either if the better deal is there.

Stetyrrell, there's not much movement in the front forks in that bike you posted...I'm looking for at least 140/150

But seriously, what's the story with the first 2 I posted? Is it because they're not well known brands? Or is there something flawed I'm missing? Vitus looks exceptionally good value for money.

The Vitus would probably be ok but the Canyon has much better spec - the other yoke is way out of date in it's suspension design and I would guess it weighs as much as a small house!

Tenzor07

Right we for starters, why do you think you need 160mm of travel, this is Ireland not the Alps!

The rear shock on the Beone is proprietary, which means it will offer the damping characteristics of a pogo stick... and you will have to learn how to service it yourself or send it back to beone if anything goes wrong.
And the forks are entry level and basic.

The Vitus has a better fork, and the suspension design looks like a Trek design with its 4 bar linkage.. Though i would say you'll wear through those pivot bearings every month!

studiorat

http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/en/Bikes/Wicked170

Tenzor07

studiorat wrote: »

http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/en/Bikes/Wicked170

LaPierre rip off's!

studiorat

lotta bike for the money.

poo-pusher seat post, hammerschmit, x9 10 speed and DT swiss wheels.

rab!dmonkey

The shock on the BeOne is not propietary (not that that's necessarily a bad thing, in any case); you could swap it out for a branded version if you wanted to, but why bother? If a bike at that price is any good, typically word gets around, and I've never heard anyone gush about a BeOne MTB.

The Vitus Escarpe is a rebadged Specialized Pitch, which is a fantastic trail bike. Vitus bikes come with a five year warranty too, which puts Canyon's two years to shame.

The YT is definitely the pick of the litter though.

Ok cool. So it's basically between the Canyon and the Vitus if I were to buy online...the BeOne has been scrapped

The YT looks good but the Vitus at 1600 looks the most attractive. I'm going to check out some shops tomorrow.

Any faults with the Vitus that anyone can spot? Are the gears decent?

Squidgy Black

It depends whether you prefer Shimano or SRAM really.

Tenzor07

rab!dmonkey wrote: »

The shock on the BeOne is not propietary (not that that's necessarily a bad thing, in any case); you could swap it out for a branded version if you wanted to, but why bother? If a bike at that price is any good, typically word gets around, and I've never heard anyone gush about a BeOne MTB.The Vitus Escarpe is a rebadged Specialized Pitch, which is a fantastic trail bike. Vitus bikes come with a five year warranty too, which puts Canyon's two years to shame.

So it's not a BeOne brand air shock like it says in the specs no? :rolleyes:

Specialized don't make the pitch anymore so you're buying an old design..

rab!dmonkey

Which specs are you reading from? CRC says

Shock: Airfuel shock

It's clearly a standard eyelet shock in the pics.

The whole 'two wheels and a chain drive' thing is a pretty old design too, but you don't hear me complaining. Bikeradar reviewed the Escarpe last year and they loved it.

C3PO

rab!dmonkey wrote: »

The Vitus Escarpe is a rebadged Specialized Pitch ....

Where did you get that from? Looking at images of the two bikes side by side there are significant differences! Similar design but then lots of bikes were similar way back then ....

Tenzor07

rab!dmonkey wrote: »

Which specs are you reading from? CRC says It's clearly a standard eyelet shock in the pics.

You don't seem to understand what "propietary" means! :rolleyes:

In the case of this air shock it means it's either made by or exclusive to BeOne.

rab!dmonkey

C3PO wrote: »

Where did you get that from? Looking at images of the two bikes side by side there are significant differences! Similar design but then lots of bikes were similar way back then ....

Looking back over my tracks, it seems I put a little too much faith in a single poster on STW. The Vitus gets good reviews in its own right, so it's a little beside the point.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You don't seem to understand what "propietary" means! :rolleyes:

In the case of this air shock it means it's either made by or exclusive to BeOne.

That may be, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it will 'have the damping characteristics of a pogo stick' or send it back to BeOne for servicing. The important bit is that it has an industry standard mounting system, so it can easily be swapped out.

Ok so I went to a bike shop, liked the look of a LaPierre Zesty 214 but 200 euro over my limit of 2K.

I'm going to keep looking local as could do with the support and service.

Came across this one on chain reaction, brand aside, is the spec decent for the money? http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/vitus-bikes-sommet-i-suspension-bike-2013/rp-prod84769

Tenzor07

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Ok so I went to a bike shop, liked the look of a LaPierre Zesty 214 but 200 euro over my limit of 2K.

The CSS have that bike in a large, for €110.50 above €2k, maybe you can talk them down a few more € ?

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The CSS have that bike in a large, for €110.50 above €2k, maybe you can talk them down a few more € ?

Will take a look.

What do you think of this?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/i...3/rp-prod84769

Icyseanfitz

what are you planing to use the bike for? xc, enduro? i know my next dh rig will be a yt, serious value for money, just look at this

the suspension alone is around the price of the bike :pac:

I just want a good full suspension trail bike but I might dabble in a bit of enduro. My budget is < 2k. 1,800 all in if possible. The bike you showed me whilst amazing, is almost double my budget.

What's this like: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/i...3/rp-prod84769

rab!dmonkey

The spec on the Sommet is as good as anyone would need. Upgrading further will only get you slightly reduced weight at a much greater cost. It is geared a little highly though, so you'd probably want to change out the chainring unless you can push a big gear on the climbs.

That said, you should worry less about the spec and more about the quality of the frame. Components are easily upgraded in future when you reach their limits; the same cannot be said of a frame.

Icyseanfitz

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I just want a good full suspension trail bike but I might dabble in a bit of enduro. My budget is < 2k. 1,800 all in if possible. The bike you showed me whilst amazing, is almost double my budget.

What's this like: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/i...3/rp-prod84769

Sorry was only using that as an example of yt.......... That and I really really want one either way that's a Dh bike, no good for mtbing with any bit of proper pedaling in it, someone linked you a yt wicked earlier in this thread for 2k I think, canyon are another good bet, I think fabien barral (spelt wrong ) uses them for his enduro riding and he is as good as it gets

Thanks for the tips so far lads.

I've found two more that I feel deserve a look at:

1) Kona Hei Hei - http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/kona-hei-hei-trail-suspension-bike-2011/rp-prod65165

2) Kona Cadabra - http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/kona-cadabra-suspension-bike-2012/rp-prod95356

Would love to know your thoughts.

rab!dmonkey

Of those two, I'd take the Cadabra - no question. The Hei Hei is more or less an XC full-susser.

Cheers for that.

See Canyon have a new 29er? Which of these would you take?

http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=3040

Or the 29er

http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/series/nerve-al-29.html

rab!dmonkey

Neither of those really appeal to me. They lean a bit too far towards climbing performance for my tastes. I'd probably go with the 26", as the fork is a bit more capable.

Lawdie

I'm not going to post a lot of usual questions. And apart the obvious MTB, what are you looking for in a bike? Can you give some background and usage profile for you?

Popoutman

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Right we for starters, why do you think you need 160mm of travel, this is Ireland not the Alps!

I love my 160mm/180mm travel bike for Ballyhoura! I spent two years on a hardtail, then a year on a 130mm/150mm Reign until that was nicked, and the ReignX I have now I use everywhere from Mont Pleny Black runs in the Alps through to riverbank cycling here in Limerick. I find that there is nothing that it isn't suitable for except for racing, and I don't race so that's not much of an issue for me. I'd say that if the OP finds a design that works for them, at a price they like, then they should not rule out the newer enduro designs as they are closest to "jack of all trades/master of some" amongst the current bike designs.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The Vitus has a better fork, and the suspension design looks like a Trek design with its 4 bar linkage.. Though i would say you'll wear through those pivot bearings every month!

That Vitus frame is a single-pivot design - not a four-bar link. The rear axle is on the strut that is connected to the frame, so will ever only move in a semi-circle around the front bottom pivot. To be a true four bar link, the axle would have to have a pivot between itself and the pivots on the frame on each side.

rab!dmonkey

Popoutman wrote: »

That Vitus frame is a single-pivot design - not a four-bar link. The rear axle is on the strut that is connected to the frame, so will ever only move in a semi-circle around the front bottom pivot. To be a true four bar link, the axle would have to have a pivot between itself and the pivots on the frame on each side.

Leaving aside your poor understanding of what a four-bar link is, the Sommet is not a (linkage-actuated) single-pivot frame. The frame member the wheel is mounted to is not directly attached to the front triangle. Even if it were a single-pivot design, it would not have enough travel to allow the wheel to move through a semi-circle. A 'true' four bar link must have four bodies joined in a closed loop - that is all.

Additionally, it doesn't look or function anything like any design Trek currently markets.

Ended up getting the Canyon Nerve Al+ 7...outstanding bike! Cruises over and through anything.