Irish Navy crash in Cobh

zachaus

Hahahahaha!

Question is... Who was at the helm?

flynnlives

your link isnt working, here it is again.

zachaus

Thank God nobody was hurt

Outkast_IRE

What the hell actually happened here , it almost looked like they were ramming it to get it out of the way.

kravmaga

flynnlives wrote: »

your link isnt working, here it is again.

WTF, jesus that's really embarrassing, major lack of communication and spacial awareness, lol

Tabnabs

Not there first time either, eh skipper?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WBLid0Xo7w

Part 2

jamesdiver

Are they using the pontoon for coming alongside drills?

goldie fish

This is a very ignorant, sexist and ill informed thread.
The ship suffered a total loss of engine control as it was leaving the quayside. This is not the fault of who was steering, be it man or woman(A man was at the helm in this case).
It is the fault of the fact the ship has served the state all year round and been hammered by the Atlantic in all weathers, went to the aid of many, in all conditions since before most of you were born, in 1978, and should have been replaced in 2008.

You should be praising the crew for their swift actions in preventing ANY injury to the slack jawed gawpers who lined the quayside, laughing. It was due to their actions that none of the snapping mooring lines spring back and caused them injury.

You should be demanding that this elderly ship is retired, and replaced immediately.


But its easier to sit on your ass and poke fun at someone else's misfortune.

roadmaster

goldie fish wrote: »

This is a very ignorant, sexist and ill informed thread.
The ship suffered a total loss of engine control as it was leaving the quayside. This is not the fault of who was steering, be it man or woman(A man was at the helm in this case).
It is the fault of the fact the ship has served the state all year round and been hammered by the Atlantic in all weathers, went to the aid of many, in all conditions since before most of you were born, in 1978, and should have been replaced in 2008.

You should be praising the crew for their swift actions in preventing ANY injury to the slack jawed gawpers who lined the quayside, laughing. It was due to their actions that none of the snapping mooring lines spring back and caused them injury.

You should be demanding that this elderly ship is retired, and replaced immediately.


But its easier to sit on your ass and poke fun at someone else's misfortune.

You mentioned about demanding it be retired. Would it be fair to say that DOD would be saying fix it up for as cheap as can and get back to sea? On a side note i see the journal refer to LE Aoife as a defence forces OPV , is that a first? usually in the media the navy is always just the navy and not refered to as defence forces?

goldie fish

The journal is to journalism what Boards.ie is to informed, educated debate.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/naval-ships-pontoon-crash-captured-on-camera-241093.html

andersat2

great russians commentaries in the back

Tabnabs

I think any praise should be reserved for the crew of the Gerry O'Sullivan who leaped into action to secure and retrieve that pontoon that was set free by the LÉ Aoife ramming it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCS0ueQragc

If Aoife had operable thrusters (separate from the main engine system), had anchors cleared away and ready, and had a large tug just up the quay, capable of operation within minutes, why on earth was the order given to go ahead on both engines and ram the pontoon a second time? (with all deck crew down aft for collision stations, bar the two up front)

It's also true to say the commanding officer had another incident in an East coast port just a couple of months ago that was witnessed by quite a few bystanders also.

HeidiHeidi

Tabnabs wrote: »

There's no woman in 'seamanship'...

Not there first time either, eh skipper?

Part 2

What's with all the sexist remarks in this and the other thread

How do you know who was at the helm?

(Genuine question - maybe you do, but I certainly don't.)

Has no male helm/skipper/CO ever had a prang with a boat?

roadmaster

goldie fish wrote: »

The journal is to journalism what Boards.ie is to informed, educated debate.

I agree the journal is fairly poor with alot of crasy posters. But its important i think to read/watch many sources of news . Just look at the difference in how RT and Sky are reporting syria at the moment.

Busted Flat.

The Dubliners

The Clona, the Meabh and the Mucha
The pride of the Irish navy
When the Captain he blows on his whistle
All the sailors go home for their tea

We are a seafaring nation
Defence of our land is a right
We'd fight like the devil all morning
Provided we're home by the night.

goldie fish

Tabnabs wrote: »

I think any praise should be reserved for the crew of the Gerry O'Sullivan who leaped into action to secure and retrieve that pontoon that was set free by the LÉ Aoife ramming it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCS0ueQragc

If Aoife had operable thrusters (separate from the main engine system), had anchors cleared away and ready, and had a large tug just up the quay, capable of operation within minutes, why on earth was the order given to go ahead on both engines and ram the pontoon a second time? (with all deck crew down aft for collision stations, bar the two up front)

It's also true to say the commanding officer had another incident in an East coast port just a couple of months ago that was witnessed by quite a few bystanders also.

Read the examiner article.
The system aboard this ship is such that when engine control fails, it defaults to a "ahead" setting. Nobody gave the order to "go ahead".
The tug "just up the quay" had other duties. The commanding officer on this ship changed recently, but it is true that it experienced the same fault in the south east recently.
Gerry was nowhere nearby at the time. Alex stopped the Pontoon from drifting. Gerry was in Ringaskiddy and arrived some time after.

The gender of those in charge is irrelevant, unless of course you have a small penis, and fear women as a result.

goldie fish

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

What's with all the sexist remarks in this and the other thread

How do you know who was at the helm?

(Genuine question - maybe you do, but I certainly don't.)

Has no male helm/skipper/CO ever had a prang with a boat?

Back when there was no female whatsoever in the Naval service there was many Prangs. Emer, for example, ploughed into the east link bridge when the bridge was new. The Minesweepers frequently ran aground. Eithne too had her fair share of hammering of concrete when she was new in the mid 80s.

The fact is, when you lose propulsion, or control of it, on any vessel, you are going to hit something, it is just a matter of what, and where. Regardless of what is between your legs.

HeidiHeidi

goldie fish wrote: »

Back when there was no female whatsoever in the Naval service there was many Prangs. Emer, for example, ploughed into the east link bridge when the bridge was new. The Minesweepers frequently ran aground. Eithne too had her fair share of hammering of concrete when she was new in the mid 80s.

The fact is, when you lose propulsion, or control of it, on any vessel, you are going to hit something, it is just a matter of what, and where. Regardless of what is between your legs.

Been there, done that, have the dinges in the bow to prove it - as have lots of my male (and female) sailing pals. It's a gender-neutral pastime

Thoie

Who gets to claim salvage on the pontoon?

Larbre34

goldie fish wrote: »

Back when there was no female whatsoever in the Naval service there was many Prangs. Emer, for example, ploughed into the east link bridge when the bridge was new. The Minesweepers frequently ran aground. Eithne too had her fair share of hammering of concrete when she was new in the mid 80s.

The fact is, when you lose propulsion, or control of it, on any vessel, you are going to hit something, it is just a matter of what, and where. Regardless of what is between your legs.

I'd say their heads most of the time. SOUND COLLISIONNNNNNNNN!

Mankyspuds

Not funny at all, could have been a lot worse. I was on the 'Asgard 2' when we lost control in Bangor Harbour a good few years ago. We had the same type of arseholes sniggering, we got into a serious enough accident too and ploughed into a bunch of trawlers, very unpleasant.

Busted Flat.

Mankyspuds wrote: »

Not funny at all, could have been a lot worse. I was on the 'Asgard 2' when we lost control in Bangor Harbour a good few years ago. We had the same type of arseholes sniggering, we got into a serious enough accident too and ploughed into a bunch of trawlers, very unpleasant.

A bit of professional training would go a long way.

goldie fish

Busted Flat. wrote: »

A bit of professional training would go a long way.

Indeed, trawlermen can be quite unprofessional.

Busted Flat.

goldie fish wrote: »

Indeed, trawlermen can be quite unprofessional.

They do it for survival, under very harsh conditions, and restrictions enforced by the the guys that crashed their little boat. Then you have the Pr1cks that go to sea in their expensive pleasure boats, when they get into trouble who pays for their rescue. The Irish Life Boats are supported by voluntary contributions.

gctest50

goldie fish wrote: »

Back when there was no female whatsoever in the Naval service there was many Prangs. Emer, for example, ploughed into the east link bridge when the bridge was new. The Minesweepers frequently ran aground. Eithne too had her fair share of hammering of concrete when she was new in the mid 80s.

The fact is, when you lose propulsion, or control of it, on any vessel, you are going to hit something, it is just a matter of what, and where. Regardless of what is between your legs.

only going forward cos we can't find reverse

goldie fish

Busted Flat. wrote: »

They do it for survival, under very harsh conditions, and restrictions enforced by the the guys that crashed their little boat. Then you have the Pr1cks that go to sea in their expensive pleasure boats, when they get into trouble who pays for their rescue. The Irish Life Boats are supported by voluntary contributions.

When trawlermen take to see in harsh conditions, their weekend of mandatory training at the back of their minds, and things go wrong, you'll agree that alongside the Volunteers from the RNLI, the Naval service remain to pick up the pieces.

John_Rambo

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Then you have the Pr1cks that go to sea in their expensive pleasure boats, when they get into trouble who pays for their rescue. The Irish Life Boats are supported by voluntary contributions.

And the majority of contributions come from sailors and leisure craft users. What do you want to do, ban all leisure craft, ban sailing, surfing, kite surfing, canoeing etc?

Cop on and go back to taking about something you know about.

Savage93

zachaus wrote: »

Hahahahaha!

Question is... Who was at the helm?

HAHAHAHAHA
Yiou're such a pucking frick that you can't even upload a video, hardly in aposition to laugh at anybody:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Manic Moran

Savage93 wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA
Yiou're such a pucking frick that you can't even upload a video, hardly in aposition to laugh at anybody:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[MOD] Smilies notwithstanding, yellow card.[/MOD]

Kat1170

goldie fish wrote: »

since before most of you were born, in 1978, .

I wish :(:(:(:( :P

ex_infantry

the question has to be asked..!!!!! was there anyone down in the aft lockers steering the ship from down there?? as they do training for this procedure if steering is lost from the bridge!!!!

goldie fish

ex_infantry wrote: »

the question has to be asked..!!!!! was there anyone down in the aft lockers steering the ship from down there?? as they do training for this procedure if steering is lost from the bridge!!!!

It wouldn't make any difference, it was not steering that was lost, it was engine control.

But you already knew that.

theglf

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

What's with all the sexist remarks in this and the other thread

How do you know who was at the helm?

(Genuine question - maybe you do, but I certainly don't.)

Has no male helm/skipper/CO ever had a prang with a boat?

I know the CO and in my experience as an Officer there are very few good women ship handlers.

Morpheus

[MOD]Enough with the sexist comments. Any more of it will result in red cards and / or bans. Show some respect and maturity or face the consequences. Keep on topic also. My inbox is full of complaints over this thread![/MOD]

murph226

Should the pitch of the propeller not return to zero when engine control is lost?

goldie fish

murph226 wrote: »

Should the pitch of the propeller not return to zero when engine control is lost?

No. If at sea you lose engine control, ending up dead in the water is the worst possible outcome. Forward momentum must be maintained for stability.

murph226

If you lose control of the engines the CPP pump will remain running, while the CPP pump is running the pitch will go to zero.

If you lose your CPP pump pressure the springs will force the pitch ahead to maintain forward momentum.

goldie fish

There's your answer then.

murph226

So why were they going ahead?

goldie fish

Didn't you already answer?

murph226

So they lost engine control, CPP pumps and bowthruster all at once?

goldie fish

murph226 wrote: »

So they lost engine control, CPP pumps and bowthruster all at once?

Bowthruster appears to be functioning, going by the video.

Are you familiar with the workings of CPP pumps then? (whatever a cpp pump is). It would be great if you could share your knowledge on the topic, instead of asking closed questions, designed to catch me out, for whatever reason.

murph226

Sorry, I just assumed you knew what you were talking about judging by your comments.

CPP: controllable pitch propeller.

The CPP pump provides oil pressure that moves the blades on the prop.

Losing control of the engines does not mean you lose your CPP.

I'm not trying to catch anyone out, just curious as to what actually happened.

goldie fish

I never heard it referred to as a CPP before. Always(on those class) a Variable Pitch Propeller.

Given your knowledge of the system, it should be clear to you where the system loss was. I'm providing no more details, as to do so would compromise my sources.

zachaus

Savage93 wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA
Yiou're such a pucking frick that you can't even upload a video, hardly in aposition to laugh at anybody:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Sorry. I didn't realise posting youtube videos was a mission critical procedure where lives are at risk.

long range shooter

murph226 wrote: »

If you lose control of the engines the CPP pump will remain running, while the CPP pump is running the pitch will go to zero.

If you lose your CPP pump pressure the springs will force the pitch ahead to maintain forward momentum.

I thought if you loose the engines it would go automatically into emergency pitch control?And if thats is not set in zero,it will go where they last set it.
I have had incidents with this before,with older types of vessels.