New Volkswagen 1.6 Diesel engine

agrostar

Hey just wondering if anyone here has had any experience of the new Volkswagen 1.6 Diesel engines. I was test driving a new caddy van with a 1.6 105bhp engine and I am seriously considering buying it. They would be the same engine as in the Golfs and some Passats.
I was just wondering are they a reliable power unit?
I wouldn't be pulling a trailer or carrying much in rear mostly to be used for commuting. TIA

Sobanek

From what I hear the 1.6 TDI is a decent engine (surprisingly). My mate bought a new 1.6 TDI Octavia back in 2010, did 80k miles so far and didn't have any major issues.

Gael23

If you read through here, some people have reported issues with the DMF but it doesn't appear to be a widespread fault. I know someone with this engine in the mk7 golf with DSG and its very impressive.
There not quite as good as the old 1.9 TDI PD unit but then will anything ever be?

Max Power1

Compared to some other small displacement engines being turbocharged and used in car sizes that should normally be a few cc above, (See 1.0 focus, 1.2 octavia etc) I havent heard any widespread criticism of the vag 1.6 tdi.

Isnt it the same engine that has been in the Golf and Jetta here for a while now?

L-M

I have a new Caddy about 2 weeks now. Have around 1600km put up on it. Great engine with plenty of linear power as compared to the 1.6 Tdci.

Obviously cant comment on reliability, yet.

I was in a Touran dsg in Germany 2 weeks ago and while much better than the old pd (noise wise) it's more than obvious it was a diesel.

It didn't seem to have that much power, and I can't imagine it being much more powerful in the Caddy, it would also be more noisy with far less soundproofing.

afaik they have a 90 hp version which imo is too weak.

The Touran was a really nice spacious car though.

guerito

I drove a Passat with that engine for a week a couple of years ago. Plenty of poke, even in a biggish car like that, comfortable cruising on the motorway or N roads and very economical. Only real complaint is that the power band was very narrow, even for a diesel, so in the twisty bits I had to constantly shift gears to keep on the power. If you could get one with automatic that would be good. With DSG I'd say it's a cracker.

bazz26

Unless the Caddy is loaded with stuff, it weighs a lot less than a Touran.

Is the manual 1.6 TDi still 5 speed or have they updated to a 6 speed box?

Henry Ford III

Limerick man wrote: »

I have a new Caddy about 2 weeks now. Have around 1600km put up on it. Great engine with plenty of linear power as compared to the 1.6 Tdci.

Obviously cant comment on reliability, yet.

I'm driving a 1.6TDCI with 115bhp. The power delivery is very linear.

Suasdaguna1

I drove a 12 golf 1.6tdi and I was very impressed with it. Ran on a smell of an oily rag and had a decent turn of speed. Paying 25k for a new one...no thanks.

bazz26

It really depends what you are used to and what you compare them too.

Reliability wise, the CR TDi engines are around for about 4 or 5 years now without any major issues, the 1.6 CR TDi is around 3 years and has been the same.

L-M

bazz26 wrote: »

Unless the Caddy is loaded with stuff, it weighs a lot less than a Touran.

Is the manual 1.6 TDi still 5 speed or have they updated to a 6 speed box?

5 speed.

@HenryFord I had the 90 bhp and it was brutal.

L-M

Nevermind, just looked up the reg of mine and it says it 75 hp? That cant be true.

L-M

My god, its actually 75hp.

The shame.

I was actually impressed with the 7 speed dsg in the touran, it's come on a lot, though I couldn't tell if the lag is still a problem.

But the 1.6 tdi in a caddy ? and I read on the UK vw site they even have a 75 hp 1.6 tdi, LMAO.

I'll never understand the Euro obsession of installing such underpowered engines in to vehicles.

Henry Ford III

Limerick man wrote: »

5 speed.

@HenryFord I had the 90 bhp and it was brutal.

You sure it wasn't a 1.8TDCI?

That had a "duck or no dinner" delivery - quite a narrow band of power.

L-M

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You sure it wasn't a 1.8TDCI?

That had a "duck or no dinner" delivery - quite a narrow band of power.

No it was an 11 Berlingo. New shape. Youd really want to be changing gear before 3300. Also need a good build up to pass anyone out. I could probably count one or two times I over took in the 30 odd thousand kms I drove it.

Limerick man

Limerick man wrote: »

No it was an 11 Berlingo. New shape. Youd really want to be changing gear before 3300. Also need a good build up to pass anyone out. I could probably count one or two times I over took in the 30 odd thousand kms I drove it.

I actually noticed the narrow power band in my sisters 308 hdi 90 hp.

Uncomfortable to drive all or nothing power. Only 55 mpg max, can do better in the Prius MK II.

Gael23

Limerick man wrote: »

My god, its actually 75hp.

The shame.

I thought 90hp was the smallest that unit came in. There was a 1.4 PD TDI with 75hp but that was in small cars eg VW Polo.
That in a Touran would be like driving one of old SDI engines

L-M

ryanf1 wrote: »

I thought 90hp was the smallest that unit came in. There was a 1.4 PD TDI with 75hp but that was in small cars eg VW Polo.
That in a Touran would be like driving one of old SDI engines

Thats just in the Caddy I would imagine.

Henry Ford III

Limerick man wrote: »

No it was an 11 Berlingo. New shape. Youd really want to be changing gear before 3300. Also need a good build up to pass anyone out. I could probably count one or two times I over took in the 30 odd thousand kms I drove it.

Must be a different engine to mine. I seldom rev to 3300rpm.

L-M

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Must be a different engine to mine. I seldom rev to 3300rpm.

Well youve an extra 25 bhp.

John T Carroll

My son in law has a 2010 Golf 1.6, 105 BHP from new. It regularly returns 4.0/3.8 Ltrs/100 Kms. The EGR Cooler failed just outside the 3 year warranty period but VW paid the majority of the €870 replacement bill....he paid around €250 of the total. I have heard that this EGR Cooler failure is not uncommon in a number of diesel engined cars and are not just confined to VW. Overall he is very happy with the car. JTC

topdost

Economical at cost power loss . Automatics are better as you don't have to keep on changing gears to enjoy the power but then automatics are more juicy than manual as always .

Max Power1

topdost wrote: »

Economical at cost power loss . Automatics are better as you don't have to keep on changing gears to enjoy the power but then automatics are more juicy than manual as always .

That is the problem suffered by all the modern "Small displacement, large turbo" diesel engines. Foot down - NO power, no power, no power, THUNK powerband, then no power once the effective turbo range is exceeded.

The peugeot 1.6hdi in the 407 is a good example of this, but there are others (like some of the vans in this thread)

topdost

topdost wrote: »

Economical at cost power loss . Automatics are better as you don't have to keep on changing gears to enjoy the power but then automatics are more juicy than manual as always .

Automatics are much better suited to cars with more power as they won't keep swapping gears every time you tap the accelerator, auto's with low power engines are much less efficient because of this, the engine is kept outside of it's efficiency zone a lot more.

Then you have people that can't drive manuals.

At least on some auto's like the dsg you have the option of swapping manually.

The 7 speed dsg is supposed to be more efficient than the manual.

John T Carroll

John T Carroll wrote: »

My son in law has a 2010 Golf 1.6, 105 BHP from new. It regularly returns 4.0/3.8 Ltrs/100 Kms.

That's good, is that per tank or trip reading ?

I can just about get 4.3-4.5 in the Prius per tank, but that's not bad for 10 year old hybrid technology. And i just hit 102,000 miles today. Still doing good.

Herself managed 5.3 with a heavy foot on the motorway 90% so I'm guessing that's the worst you'll get in the Prius.

John T Carroll

Thats per Trip. Consumption is 4.4/4.2 per Tank but he is the only occupant and does a round trip of about 120 Kms/Day for 5/6 days per week.

John T Carroll

John T Carroll wrote: »

Thats per Trip. Consumption is 4.4/4.2 per Tank but he is the only occupant and does a round trip of about 120 Kms/Day for 5/6 days per week.

I always go by the tank as I think it gives a better indication, ideally you should never reset it.

I rem my old Audi A4 1.9 TDI 130 Multitronic had 2 trip computers which were very handy, the average over the 100,000 I had the car was 48 mpg.

I would have thought the 1.6 105 in the Golf would have done better ? I would like to try that engine for a week. But I think I'd rather the 2.0L, I think it's worth the small sacrifice in mpg ?

If I wanted to buy a 2nd hand Golf I'd look straight for the 2.0l 140-170 hp and filter out the 1.6 in the searches. So maybe it's worth it to get the higher hp as it would be more attractive 2nd hand ?

ml100

The EGR Cooler failed on my wifes 2011 golf 1.6 TDI, car had only got 18k KM on it when it failed, 25 months old so outside the warranty, VW and the VW dealer picked up the cost as a good will gesture, other than that it was been fine

djPSB

Am I right in saying that they are pretty good value compared to the 2008 1.9 TDIs.

A 2008 1.9 TDI seem to cost between €10,000 and €12,000 where as a 2010 1.6 diesel can be got for €13,000.

mathepac

ryanf1 wrote: »

... There not quite as good as the old 1.9 TDI PD unit but then will anything ever be?

Ah yes, it gladdens the heart when that great old engine clatters into life. Mine starts first time every time on the original 9 year old battery ( apart from the time some eejit put petrol in the tank ).

RedorDead

bazz26 wrote: »

Unless the Caddy is loaded with stuff, it weighs a lot less than a Touran.

Is the manual 1.6 TDi still 5 speed or have they updated to a 6 speed box?

Its 6 speed in the Audi 105HP version anyway. That will be tweaked to either 110HP or 120HP next year - cant remember which.