A solution to Political Corruption - Outlaw Political parties

tomatosauce34

Would you support a Constitutional ban on political parties in the Republic? I think it might work, because the most reasonable alternative to these scandals might not be supported by most people, executing corrupt civil servants and politicians, like in China, might not recieve universal support I suspect.

For instance, the Balliwick of Guernsey, a possession of the Crown, which does not form a part of the United Kingdom and is largely self governing, does not allow political parties. Democracy is Tyranny imo. Giving power to the lowest common denominator isn't a good idea.

What do you think?

Amirani

Legislation would take ages to pass.

Absolutely. I've been wanting it for a long time.

tomatosauce34

NiallSparky wrote: »

Legislation would take ages to pass.

A reduction in the amount of legislation being passed, might actually be a good thing. There is too much wordy legislation in this country, not to mention super national legislation passed by the European Union, a 100% foreign entity in the Republic.

Annasopra

No

Annasopra

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

A reduction in the amount of legislation being passed, might actually be a good thing. There is too much wordy legislation in this country, not to mention super national legislation passed by the European Union, a 100% foreign entity in the Republic.

The European Union is not a Foreign Entity. We are part of the European Union.

bumper234

Unconstitutional

Hogzy

bumper234 wrote: »

Unconstitutional

Freedom of association?

tomatosauce34

mango salsa wrote: »

The European Union is not a Foreign Entity. We are part of the European Union.

Regardless of our association, it's still technically foreign. It's citizens, alongside the people who run day to it's day to day operations are legally regarded as "Aliens" in this country. According to the Aliens Act, 1935. Section 2. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1935/en/act/pub/0014/sec0002.html#sec2

Annasopra

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

It's citizens, alongside the people who run day to it's day to day operations are legally regarded as "Aliens" in this country. According to the Aliens Act, 1935. Section 2. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1935/en/act/pub/0014/sec0002.html#sec2

Quoting laws that are no longer relevant is completely meaningless

Hogzy

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

Regardless of our association, it's still technically foreign. It's citizens, alongside the people who run day to it's day to day operations are legally regarded as "Aliens" in this country. According to the Aliens Act, 1935. Section 2. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1935/en/act/pub/0014/sec0002.html#sec2

EU Law is supreme to Irish law when the two conflict (unless it conflicts with the constitution which is a totally different debate). So that section you quoted is meaningless.

bohsman

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

Regardless of our association, it's still technically foreign. It's citizens, alongside the people who run day to it's day to day operations are legally regarded as "Aliens" in this country. According to the Aliens Act, 1935. Section 2. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1935/en/act/pub/0014/sec0002.html#sec2

Clearly not all citizens of the EU are regarded as aliens by that act.

tomatosauce34

Hogzy wrote: »

EU Law is supreme to Irish law when the two conflict (unless it conflicts with the constitution which is a totally different debate). So that section you quoted is meaningless.

It is because it has been repealed, as mango salsa pointed out correctly, but it's point still stands. You are incorrect, the Constitution of Ireland is the supreme legal document of this country, not European legislation.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I think we should put an absolute ban on bras, then maybe think about a move to a ban on underwear.

When we get these things sorted we can talk about politics and stuff.

biko

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

Democracy is Tyranny imo.
What do you think?

Hogzy

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

It is because it has been repealed, as mango salsa pointed out correctly, but it's point still stands. You are incorrect, the Constitution of Ireland is the supreme legal document of this country, not European legislation.

Did you not read what I put in brackets?

And FYI, just because an act has been repealed doesnt mean it cant conflict with EU Law.

tomatosauce34

Hogzy wrote: »

Did you not read what I put in brackets?

You stated that when Irish law conflicts with EU legislation, EU takes precedence. I know of no legislated Act which provides for this distinction, but how and ever. Regardless, our Constitution reigns Supreme.

Hogzy

Hogzy wrote: »

EU Law is supreme to Irish law when the two conflict (unless it conflicts with the constitution which is a totally different debate). So that section you quoted is meaningless.

Here is what I said.

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

I know of no legislated Act which provides for this distinction, but how and ever. Regardless, our Constitution reigns Supreme.

Article 29.4.3 of the Constitution and the European Communities Act 1972. Our consitution does reign supreme. But any Directive, Decision regulation or treaty that is in conflict with our constitution will have to go to referendum to have the consitution changed.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Hogzy wrote: »

Did you not read what I put in brackets?

And FYI, just because an act has been repealed doesnt mean it cant conflict with EU Law.

Yes it does, being repealed means it no longer exists and thus cannot conflict whit anything!

Hogzy

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Yes it does, being repealed means it no longer exists and thus cannot conflict whit anything!

Yeah you are right. Made a mistake on that one!

bumper234

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

Regardless of our association, it's still technically foreign. It's citizens, alongside the people who run day to it's day to day operations are legally regarded as "Aliens" in this country. According to the Aliens Act, 1935. Section 2. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1935/en/act/pub/0014/sec0002.html#sec2

It's foreign in the same way your little toe is foreign to your body. That's what Ireland is when it comes to Europe we are one small toe an a larger body.

wexie

tomatosauce34 wrote: »

...., because the most reasonable alternative to these scandals might not be supported by most people, executing corrupt civil servants and politicians, like in China, might not recieve universal support I suspect.

I'd be all for that

tomatosauce34

mango salsa wrote: »

No

Why, exactly?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Political parties are a means by which a group of individuals with a common belief/aim/or ideology can seek a democratic mandate to pursue that through obtaining political power/leverage.
The OP it appears would prefer some kind of anarchic system where nothing ever actually gets done.

DEFTLEFTHAND

What about just having one party? Lets say we abolish the Seanad and send the Leprechaun Higgins to the gulags.

Now we have power which we can't abuse. Generally people of all races are stupid, the human being is despicable when you think about it. I think we should decide what's best for them. We as in a politburo of trusted Party Members mapping the way forward.

Lorenzo the Magnificent

I'd be much more in favour of carrying out a test of members of the electorate to see if they aren't utterly moronic mouth-breathers.

The checklist would change as circumstances change, but it's safe to say you wouldn't be getting a polling card if any of the following applied:

You post comments on the journal.ie.
You text Ray D'arcy with your opinions.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Lorenzo the Magnificent wrote: »

I'd be much more in favour of carrying out a test of members of the electorate to see if they aren't utterly moronic mouth-breathers.

The checklist would change as circumstances change, but it's safe to say you wouldn't be getting a polling card if any of the following applied:

You post comments on the journal.ie.
You text Ray D'arcy with your opinions.

So the Joe Duffy brigade would get the vote under your system.
mmmmm

Dracula88

We should not outlaw political parties instead we should create new political parties . I would create a staunch centre right wing party with a Conservative approach to politics centred around capitalism and a hard line against centre left wing politicians . There by countering Social Democracy and liberalism .