2008 Mumbai (India) attacks

vimal_andrew

Some peole may remember that around 200 innocent people were shot dead at Mumbai city, India in 2008 by militant gunmen from Pakistan. It is now found that an American citizen and CIA agent, David Headly plotted these killings. US arrested him. America refuses to handover him to India for trial. Indian authorities are not allowed to see him or question him. Some american citizens were also killed in the attack.
See how a nation like US which preached all kinds of humanity and values to the world is doing these acts? My opinion is that human rights associatons in the world should rise up and question us for this kind of ating and killings.i

Tzar Chasm

got some links to back up what you are saying.

his links to the DEA and ISI are fairly well established, but the claim that he was a CIA operative need substantiation

alastair

It also seems from a cursory google that the Americans did allow the Indians question him. And he's serving a long sentence in the States, so would they normally release a serving convict to another jurisdiction for trial?

cabrasnake

OP is laughably disingenuous.
He is/was a heroin addict and trafficker, born in the USA to a Pakistani mother.
On a (drug trafficking) trip to Pakistan he got Islamised and recuited into the ISI.
He was an ideal operative for them having a US passport.
He was sent to Mumbai to size up potential targets for the 2008 attacks.
After arrest he tried to muddy the issue and water down his involvement to save himself.
Aside of the points above, in the REAL world the CIA would never use and give a turned operative a leading role in an attack such as Mumbai. Be asking for trouble to use such an unstable person.
He's a nut.

Brown Bomber

cabrasnake wrote: »

OP is laughably disingenuous.
He is/was a heroin addict and trafficker, born in the USA to a Pakistani mother.
On a (drug trafficking) trip to Pakistan he got Islamised and recuited into the ISI.
He was an ideal operative for them having a US passport.
He was sent to Mumbai to size up potential targets for the 2008 attacks.
After arrest he tried to muddy the issue and water down his involvement to save himself.
Aside of the points above, in the REAL world the CIA would never use and give a turned operative a leading role in an attack such as Mumbai. Be asking for trouble to use such an unstable person.
He's a nut.

The CIA is/was riddled with criminals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ3SRn71xHs

cabrasnake

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The CIA is/was riddled with criminals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ3SRn71xHs

So?

"in the REAL world the CIA would never use and give a turned operative a leading role in an attack such as Mumbai"

Though in the fantasy Sherlock Holmes world you infest anything is possible, I can see that.

Tzar Chasm

I wouldn't say he had a leading role in the massacre, pivotal maybe, but ultimate control of the operation was not with him.

the cia's association with unsavory characters is well known, however in this instance further evidence is required before a link to the cia can be made directly, links to members of the ISI appear to be more concrete however, and given the history of the region that is fairly inflammatory.

the most that the US agencies can be charged with based on current evidence is withholding information regards the dangerous nature of this fella and in essence facilitating his efforts in the mumbai attack

Brown Bomber

cabrasnake wrote: »

So?

"in the REAL world the CIA would never use and give a turned operative a leading role in an attack such as Mumbai" .

If the above is any more than an assumption then expand. Do you for example have experience in recruiting agents for CIA black ops? Otherwise, stop pretending your assumptions are facts.

cabrasnake wrote: »

Though in the fantasy Sherlock Holmes world you infest anything is possible, I can see that.

Infest? What is with the hostility??? And if your are going to be needlessly antagonistic it's wise to get your facts straight so you don't make a fool of yourself,

In Sherlock Holmes' world "anything" is not "possible". In fact, he was quite specific about this - "remove the impossible, and whatever is is left, no matter how improbable is where the truth lays".

Maybe you are mixing him up with his contemporary Prof./Detective Christopher Quarles who started with his theory and looked for the facts to fit it?

If there is anything else I can help you with just let me know.

cabrasnake

The very fact that you even entertain the idea that the CIA, who are of course quite capable of all classes of skullduggery, are so naive that they would put an unstable heroin addict into a leading role in any serious operation with the high risk that such an individual would sing like a canary under pressure - and that was what the crazed OP was alleging - proves conclusively that you have a very tenuous grip on any recognisable form of reality.
Where the question of help arises, I suggest you try and help yourself.

Tzar Chasm

again,there is a massive difference between a Leading role and a Prominent role.

you have heard of a patsy before??
it serves the purpose of those in the ISI and other organizations to use people like this, whose credibility is easily questionable, as the public face of such operations, but people like him couldn't operate without someone further up the food chain facilitating his movements.

Brown Bomber

cabrasnake wrote: »

The very fact that you even entertain the idea that the CIA, who are of course quite capable of all classes of skullduggery, are so naive that they would put an unstable heroin addict into a leading role in any serious operation with the high risk that such an individual would sing like a canary under pressure - and that was what the crazed OP was alleging - proves conclusively that you have a very tenuous grip on any recognisable form of reality.
Where the question of help arises, I suggest you try and help yourself.

I don't think you understand what "proof means". It appears you do need my help, so here ya go

proof - definition of proof by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...

Let me explain something to you. I don't know what happened, you don't know what happened, the "crazed OP" doesn't know what happened. You have provided no more "proof" than the OP has and therefore by your own standards makes you equally as "crazed".

I asked you a simple question before so if you could try and answer it without your spiteful comments it'd be good. Cheers.

If the above is any more than an assumption then expand. Do you for example have experience in recruiting agents for CIA black ops?

cabrasnake

I'm the CIA agent chief headhunter.
I know Sherlock Holmes is fiction like most of your gibberings.
That is proof enough.


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derry

The indian head of anti terror arrived on the scene of the shooting outside the hotel Nearly immediately he said it was false flag operation.He then got shot a few minutes later probably by agents the CIA hired to do the dirty work if the indian anti terror police didn't follow the correct script given to them by the CIA .

Derry

christ on a bike!

derry wrote: »

The indian head of anti terror arrived on the scene of the shooting outside the hotel Nearly immediately he said it was false flag operation.He then got shot a few minutes later probably by agents the CIA hired to do the dirty work if the indian anti terror police didn't follow the correct script given to them by the CIA .

Derry

Wow! Didn't know that

How do you know this? Bastards would have tried to cover this up so I'm guessing we can only learn about it from ct'ers

alastair

derry wrote: »

The indian head of anti terror arrived on the scene of the shooting outside the hotel Nearly immediately he said it was false flag operation.He then got shot a few minutes later probably by agents the CIA hired to do the dirty work if the indian anti terror police didn't follow the correct script given to them by the CIA .

Derry

No he didn't.
No he wasn't.

100% fiction.

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

No he didn't.
No he wasn't.

100% fiction.

Derry is bit wide off the mark but probably a little less than you. Haven't time to explain but I think his name was herman Karkhare (or something like that) Read up on him if you like.

Brown Bomber

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Wow! Didn't know that

How do you know this? Bastards would have tried to cover this up so I'm guessing we can only learn about it from ct'ers

Likewise.

And to know these things all you need to do is follow the news and store it in your memory. Not terribly difficult.

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Derry is bit wide off the mark but probably a little less than you. Haven't time to explain but I think his name was herman Karkhare (or something like that) Read up on him if you like.

Was he killed outside the hotel? No he wasn't.
Did he claim the attack was a 'false flag attack'? No he didn't.

So yeah, Derry is somewhat off the mark alright.

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Likewise.

And to know these things all you need to do is follow the news and store it in your memory. Not terribly difficult.

Not terribly difficult to get it completely wrong? I guess not.

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

Not terribly difficult to get it completely wrong? I guess not.

Maybe you should stop guessing. He was not "completely wrong".

The guy who he was referring to - and who you just found out about this morning - was, as he said, the anti-terror chief for India. He was gunned down in Mumbai on the day of the attacks.

Where Derry had gone wrong is that Karkare had uncovered a false-flag carried out in India by Hindus to frame Muslims. Indian Gladio if you like. Apparently Karkare was a straight shooter with integrity. Exactly the kind of man you'd want taken out if you were to carry out the Mumbai attacks to blame Muslims (again).

Brown Bomber

Hermant Karkare being interviewd on the 2008 false-flag attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1im9Z9VbL8U&feature=player_embedded

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Hermant Karkare being interviewd on the 2008 false-flag attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1im9Z9VbL8U&feature=player_embedded

A completely different attack to the one he was killed at. Don't forget that little point.

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Maybe you should stop guessing. He was not "completely wrong".

The guy who he was referring to - and who you just found out about this morning - was, as he said, the anti-terror chief for India. He was gunned down in Mumbai on the day of the attacks.

Where Derry had gone wrong is that Karkare had uncovered a false-flag carried out in India by Hindus to frame Muslims. Indian Gladio if you like. Apparently Karkare was a straight shooter with integrity. Exactly the kind of man you'd want taken out if you were to carry out the Mumbai attacks to blame Muslims (again).

Nope - he was completely wrong. The attack you're referencing had nothing to do with the events of the day, the CIA, or anything that Derry claimed.

stuar

I have just been looking into the OP's claims, admittedly I knew as much as alastair, cabrasnake and christ on a bike before I start reading up on it, ie: nothing!

There is some substance to the OP's claims, that David Coleman Headley was a CIA, DEA and FBI agent aswell as an ISI agent and LeT member and Mossad asset.

I'd like to clear a couple of points up first:

alastair
It also seems from a cursory google that the Americans did allow the Indians question him. And he's serving a long sentence in the States, so would they normally release a serving convict to another jurisdiction for trial?

Ermmmmm.......Maybe because he's serving time in the US for his role in "The Mumbai Attacks", Mumbai is in INDIA not the USA.

Also the US let Indian investigators question him at a US federal prison in Chicago, which he was said to be relaxed and voluble, I don't think he would be so relaxed and voluble under heavy interrogation by Indian investigators.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/the-man-behind-the-karachi-project-major-abdur-rehman-hashim-alias-pasha/1/305819.html

Another point is that the US now refuse to let Indian investigators have fresh access to him, why would that be?

India not to get access to Headley for questioning again: US
NEW DELHI: India will not get fresh access to Mumbai terror attack mastermind David Headley, who is currently in American jail, for questioning, the US indicated on Monday.
This was conveyed to India during the Indo-US strategic dialogue held here today for which Secretary of State John Kerry is here. India had persistently asked the US to give access to Headley for a second time to get more information about the November 2008 audacious attack.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-06-24/india/40165723_1_david-headley-12-terrorism-charges-india-and-role

Also read this long article about his multiple dealings with the DEA, how he was let off light on a number of occasions and allowed travel to Pakistan, how he beat his wife, after having Headley arrested for assault, his wife called a US government hotline and disclosed his terrorist activities. Headley was never questioned, and the assault charge was eventually dropped.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Headley

Headley a double agent?
Reports suggest that Headley might be a double agent, working for both terrorist outfits as well as the CIA.
The officials said there was a “strong suspicion,” based on nation-wide investigations, that the CIA knew about Headley’s links with the LeT one year prior to 26/11 but did not inform Indian agencies as it could have blown the lid off Headley’s activities. He was arrested on October 3 by the FBI in Chicago for his alleged role in the Mumbai attacks.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/headley-a-double-agent/article65676.ece

David Colemann Headley Is A CIA-FBI Agent
The Government should be ashamed at the treatment being meted out to India by the US. It is clear that Headley is a mass murderer & is being protected & shielded by the Obama Administration. Leave alone being extradited, now Attorney-General Eric Holder tells us that that our security agencies will have no direct access to Headley at all.

Recent revelations confirm the fact that David Coleman Headley is a CIA-FBI operative whose task was to organize & expedite the Mumbai 26/11 terror attacks.

David Headley is a CIA asset & they have invested a lot of their precious resources in training him & therefore they are going to atrocious levels to protect him.

Indian authorities had suspected that Headley was a CIA agent.

This clearly means that there are certain forces within the country that are allied to the US & Israel & working in tandem to foment terror attacks.

The CIA-FBI then used Headley in their plan to execute the 26/11 attack in Mumbai. Headley's task was to travel across the country, identify the targets & provide information to his CIA-FBI handlers. It was the CIA-FBI who then passed the information onto their ISI / LeT contacts in Pakistan.
http://www.countercurrents.org/mithiborwala181010.htm

The New York Times earlier reported that another of Headley's wives - he apparently was married to three women at the same time - also had warned US officials about his terrorism involvement.
However, an Indian official doubted that the contacts could have ended in 2005, and insisted that the connection could have continued even after the Mumbai terrorist plot.
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=697668


CIA-ISI deal: When will Delhi speak up?

Articulating a political first principle on an important security matter ought not to depend on technicalities. In the face of grave terrorist provocation from the Pakistani side, in­cluding the 2008 Mumbai attacks, India stuck to the unwritten script and did everything not to disconcert Washington. It will be seen as supine if it does not speak up even now, not just against Pakistan but also the US.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130409/commentary-dc-comment/commentary/cia-isi-deal-when-will-delhi-speak

Digvijay gives proof of conversation with Hemant Karkare
The congress leader had created a flutter last month as he claimed that Hemant Karkare had called him hours before his death and spoke of threats from right-wing groups.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-01-04/india/28376075_1_hemant-karkare-congress-leader-digvijay-singh

Now..............

alastair

stuar wrote: »

I have just been looking into the OP's claims, admittedly I knew as much as alastair, cabrasnake and christ on a bike before I start reading up on it, ie: nothing!

There is some substance to the OP's claims, that David Coleman Headley was a CIA, DEA and FBI agent aswell as an ISI agent and LeT member and Mossad asset.

I'd like to clear a couple of points up first:

Ermmmmm.......Maybe because he's serving time in the US for his role in "The Mumbai Attacks", Mumbai is in INDIA not the USA.

David Coleman was a DEA snitch, but there's no evidence he had anything to do with the FBI, CIA or Mossad. I'm not sure what the 'CIA-FBI' is supposed to be, but I'd imagine it stems from a fertile imagination, and he wasn't involved with such a notional body either.

The claim was made that the US wouldn't release Coleman to Indian authorities - a claim rather undermined by the reality of his serving a sentence in the US. Serving prisoners in the US are rarely extradited, and from a cursory review, where they are, it's usually on a reciprocal prisoner swap basis. So it's unlikely that anything out of the ordinary applies to their refusal to release him from his sentence for questioning abroad.