national Half Marathon Results

ultrapercy

Its been 2 weeks now since the Rock and Roll Half Marathon which incorporates the National Championships. The results on the AAI website are still wrong, when posted originaly a few days after the event a good few mistakes were apparent eg a man won one of the female categories. The results were taken off the site and the "amended" results were posted late last week. The amended results are the exact same as the first posted version.Dion Fanning once wrote "the FAI are the dysfunctional organisation other dysfunctional organisations call the galacticos". He should take a look at this lot.

TRR

Yeah, had a look at these myself and could see lots of errors and omissions. Similar mistakes in national 10k road results back in April. Can't understand it, they are given an electronic copy of overall results. Pulling out club results should literally take a couple of key strokes.

menoscemo

The funny thing is that a lot of the runners who should have won individual category prizes are listed in the team category prizes.

The lad from our club who is down as being a female individual category winner is down as a male in the team results (where he also won a medal).
It's such simple stuff it is really ridiculous.

Ceekay

Well...my curiosity got the better of me and I called Athletics Ireland regarding the "results". I was informed that alterations still had to be made and the results were not finalised. I gave a couple of very obvious omissions to set the wheels in motion but I fear there may be a lot of potholes in the road ahead.

ultrapercy

3 weeks and 1 day now(22 days) I really feel the AAI have a shot at their own pb here and if they can manage that it must rank them highly in the "most inept worldwide" category. Fingers crossed, a nation expects.

RacoonQueen

You'd think with chip timing it'd be easy enough to get it right. No?

Timmaay

RacoonQueen wrote: »

You'd think with chip timing it'd be easy enough to get it right. No?

Chip timing only a tool to help get the results in the likes of a big race like this, it was the whole registration process, and then computation of the team results afterwards that they (either aai, or the race organisers) skimped on, which clearly shows the priorities of this race, ie just give the competitors their basic race time. The bigger the race is, the more difficult it's going to be to accurately pull out category and team results, aai should have learnt this from the mess with the great Ireland 10k every year. Either they need to throw more money/effort at improving the whole registration and results process, or accept that tagging national championships on to large commercial races like this is the wrong move, and keep them separate. Small clubs organise championship races week in week out and have no problems producing detailed and accurate category and team results!

ultrapercy

4 weeks and 2 days. AAI say results will be posted tomorrow, I didn't ring them today but I know that's their standard response. Someday that response will be the truth and the results will be posted the following, Im still confident of that.
In an information age era where people complain about broadband that is half a second slower than they are used to, 4 weeks for results seems like a very long time. No reason or apology, they will be ready when they are ready.

TRR

ultrapercy wrote: »

4 weeks and 2 days. AAI say results will be posted tomorrow, I didn't ring them today but I know that's their standard response. Someday that response will be the truth and the results will be posted the following, Im still confident of that.
In an information age era where people complain about broadband that is half a second slower than they are used to, 4 weeks for results seems like a very long time. No reason or apology, they will be ready when they are ready.

Ah 4 weeks isn't bad Percy. It isn't as if athletes were declared before the race or they have electronic results

I know some people in aai are full time while others aren't. Is the competition secretary in a full time position. Because if he/she is they should have to explain this delay. It's ridiculous at this stage.

RacoonQueen

Doesn't really make much sense, last year + the year before the results were ready back in the club house/community centre shortly after the race...

Timmaay

Hmm in my view, most of the time when the results aren't up within a week or so, its because they can't be put together, and never will surface! And in that case its usually easier for the event organizer to bury their head in the sand, while flaffing the competitors along saying the results are coming, rather than just face the music and admit the results cannot be calculated!

TRR

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmm in my view, most of the time when the results aren't up within a week or so, its because they can't be put together, and never will surface! And in that case its usually easier for the event organizer to bury their head in the sand, while flaffing the competitors along saying the results are coming, rather than just face the music and admit the results cannot be calculated!

True but scanning the results on the r'n'r website I was able to quickly spot the top 3 in most categories and also quickly add up team scores. The integrity of the results on the event webpage aren't an issue, it's the person who put the provisional results on the aai website that needs to answer a question or two.

If anybody from the aai is reading this send me an electronic copy of aai registrants and ill sort all of this out for you within the hour. If you have royally fcuked up and lost said entrants list hold up your hands and ask club to email their team members and race finish.

clear thinking

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Doesn't really make much sense, last year + the year before the results were ready back in the club house/community centre shortly after the race...

If you are referring to the well organised Waterford event you seem to have forgotten that the AAI results available 'shortly after the race' were for top 3 men and top 3 women. People/teams were waiting for hours for the other category prizes never mind full results, most left.

Timmaay

Out of interest, is there any proper software, or even an excel spreadsheet template to calculate team results as such? I've timed many club races myself, and I will admit both team results and age categories both have the biggest scope to go wrong, especially in large races as such. I've used one or two software programs myself, but in the case of say multiple team categories etc, most software models aren't robust enough, so you end up doing it 1/2 manually in Excel anyways. The reason I ask is in my view, the sooner some draft version of the full results is made immediately following a race, the more likely any competitors/team mangers are to spot any obvious mistakes, like incorrect ages/misspelt teams etc, results can then be quickly amended, before any prizes/medals are given out.

Clum

Feel free to blame me for the delay in results. I'm on a role this year.

Leinster Indoors Masters 3000m. The only event in the competition to have delayed results - I was there, got my medal a month later.

Leinster Road Races Masters Men. The only race on the day to have delayed results - I was there, yet to receive my medals (got one for over 50. Lordie, if I look that old I'm truely screwed).

National Half Marathon. Well....there's no end to this one! I'm in a medal position on preliminary results but that's very wrong.

National Marathon. All going well I'll be there so expect results some time around Christmas.

ultrapercy

Clum wrote: »

Feel free to blame me for the delay in results. I'm on a role this year.

Leinster Indoors Masters 3000m. The only event in the competition to have delayed results - I was there, got my medal a month later.

Leinster Road Races Masters Men. The only race on the day to have delayed results - I was there, yet to receive my medals (got one for over 50. Lordie, if I look that old I'm truely screwed).

National Half Marathon. Well....there's no end to this one! I'm in a medal position on preliminary results but that's very wrong.

National Marathon. All going well I'll be there so expect results some time around Christmas.

Theres a Christmas in every year. Please be more specific in your posts.

RacoonQueen

clear thinking wrote: »

If you are referring to the well organised Waterford event you seem to have forgotten that the AAI results available 'shortly after the race' were for top 3 men and top 3 women. People/teams were waiting for hours for the other category prizes never mind full results, most left.

Jesus yeah I remember that. We left as well. Athenry...they had the results quick enough in Athenry...

Ceekay

My postman left a surprise letter for me this morning....my National Half Marathon Silver medal (in my male category!). In the "results"....I am listed as 1st. Although it's very annoying, it's a lot better than the Gold Medalist....who is not listed in the results at all! The Bronze Medalist is still listed as 1st female! I phoned AAI about these errors (and others) 2 weeks ago. The fact the medals are now being posted to winners..I take it now the results will never be rectified.

RacoonQueen

First time I've looked at the results they posted.

Jesus.

Krusty_Clown

Uncharacteristically, the AAI national marathon results have been posted:
http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/?page_id=160

TRR

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Uncharacteristically, the AAI national marathon results have been posted:
http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/?page_id=160

There is at least one omission in the m35 class. They are missing the second place finisher!

Clum

For all the AAI bashing that happens fair play to them for getting the results out so quick this time.

TRR wrote: »

There is at least one omission in the m35 class. They are missing the second place finisher!

They can only work with what they are given and the results reflect those athletes who are club affiliated (and therefore AAI registered). I know who you're talking about as potential 2nd place finisher, and I agree he should get it, but I don't think he runs with any clubs unlike his brother, which seems to be a ridiculous rule AAI have. You know him better than me so can correct me if I'm wrong but I assume not being a member of a club he's also not a registered AAI athlete?

Well done Krusty and Percy for picking up podium finishes. I'm not likely to ever do that well individually but I just missed out on a team medal finishing in 4th place.

spurscormac

If someone is not registered with AAI, then they will not be listed in the AAI results, as a club & AAI member I have no issue with that rule.
Also, even if someone is registered with a club, then I believe they needed to submit their race details to AAI to be included in the national marathon championships.
If someone is at the sharp end of a race category, I honestly don't understand why they wouldn't join a club.

With regards this potential M35 medalist, I have no idea who you speak of, but if not a club member, then tough luck, you're not registered in the race.

TRR

spurscormac wrote: »

With regards this potential M35 medalist, I have no idea who you speak of, but if not a club member, then tough luck, you're not registered in the race.

He is with a club and was registered with the AAI desk. He is in the process of getting it rectified. Any other pearls of wisdom?

spurscormac

TRR wrote: »

He is with a club and was registered with the AAI desk. He is in the process of getting it rectified. Any other pearls of wisdom?

Well then of course he's fully entitled to his medal and congrats to him on his race.

My comment was in response to the one stating they believed the person was NOT registered with a club, and contained the qualifying "If" that were the case.

My comment would stand for any athlete not registered with a club, then they are not entitled to claim a medal in a club championship.

ultrapercy

TRR wrote: »

He is with a club and was registered with the AAI desk. He is in the process of getting it rectified. Any other pearls of wisdom?

Im glad to hear that because Im currently in bronze medal position and would rather not win a medal than win one by default. I lost both silver and bronze in the last 2 miles and knew as it was happening. The boys beat me fair and honest and deserve the medals they won. Peter in particular had a storming last 10k.

RacoonQueen

Annette Kealy is over 45's :eek: and still running 2:50's. Very impressive.

brutes1

Theres a few Vets in the senior mens, i guess you can opt for that in advance if you want instead of being 'categorised' ?! . Brazilian lad did well in the vet 45s, think he won Connemara a few years back too if its the same guy