List of fully automatic cars?

yeahyeah73

Hi guys, Im looking for a fully automatic hatchback. I have been going around garages and looking and have seen a lot of semi-automatics but not many fully automatics except for the Hyundai i10. If you know of any fully automatic cars that would be great. Thanks

galwaytt

Afaik all semi-automatics function as fully automatics anyway.

What exactly are you seeing in garages that doesn't do what you want ??

Any semi-automatic (bar Toyota MM-T cars) are actually 'fully automatic' but they've added extra buttons/switches to allow you to drive it as a 'semi-manual'. But in all cases you can just leave them in 'D' and they are fully automatic.

yeahyeah73

Thanks for your speedy reply. Im looking for an automatic that wont roll back on a hill, that basically only has park, reverse, drive settings. I know a lot of bigger more expensive cars have this but I'm just looking for a small hatchback. Thanks

Donnelly117

Is sounds more you are looking for a car with hill assist (like a mini) or an automatic handbrake (like a passat). Not rolling back on hills doesnt really have anything to do with being auto/manual. Although any auto will be easier to start off on a hill as it doesnt have a clutch (manual clutch anyway...)

challengemaster

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Not rolling back on hills doesnt really have anything to do with being auto/manual.

Yes, it does. full autos don't roll backwards while in drive due to creep. steep ones they might tho.

But you're right, it's more hill-assist they're looking for

yeahyeah73

Yes that's what I mean that you wouldn't have to do a hill start, that you wouldn't need a handbrake on a hill. I know range rovers and land rovers have this function but obviously they are way out of my price range!

Donnelly117

Car i know of which have this are Alfa Romeo, Citroën, Fiat, BMW/Mini, Skoda/VW/Audi, Merc, Saab, Subaru. But it is obviously model specific and I would imagine a feature only on more modern cars. I also found it to be an annoying feature on a manual 159 I drove as it always seemed to release a tad too late

ninty9er

Semi-autos would be in creep when stopped too, but given the size of car you're looking at, it's not noticeable. Only advice I'd give is don't get an Easytronic Corsa, miserable heap of junk in auto mode

djimi

Surely a hill start in an automatic would be the easiest thing in the world? Two pedals and a left foot that is otherwise doing nothing. Or am I missing something?

colm_mcm

I'm pretty sure the OP just doesn't want an automated manual box.

With the likes of toyota multimode, you cant leave these in D with the foot brake on too long as the clutch will burn out.

OP, try a Yaris hybrid.

cluelez

toyota hybrid synergy drive, they use ecvt transmissions

yaris
auris
prius are most common and they are robust

these are not just fully automatic but they use Electronic Continuously Variable Transmission, which let you drive from 0 to top speed without one shake of the car as you won't feel the transmission is changing into various stages (as in conventional automatic transmission or in manual gearbox cars).

You drive these with peace of mind, comfort, smile on your face and most likely one hand less busy than with other cars which gives you more focus on other instruments such as indicators.

Not to mention your one leg is always free, so you really use less energy to drive such car and you are more relaxed after every trip as oppose to ''normal'' car.

8 years warranty or 100,000miles on above transmissions (as part of hybrid system).

Don't worry about the battery as if one modules eventually goes then you may just replace one module ($100 or so) and balance the battery, so no need for the whole pack as many try to scare.

These shouldn't go for at least 15-20 years of normal operations so don't worry getting s/hand vehicle.

these models are used by Google in various projects on testing self-driving vehicles (once appropriately converted and equipped with sensors/cameras & computers), which means the you are getting the most automatic car you can actually get on the market.

I would get one even if it was a taxi as there is proven tracking record of them being reliable. You will pay bit more upfront but there is very little maintenance afterwards.

No clutches to replace, no starters, no alternators, regen braking means you won't need pads/ discs as often and many more...

Chris_Heilong

00 - 05 Honda Civic

galwaytt

yeahyeah73 wrote: »

Thanks for your speedy reply. Im looking for an automatic that wont roll back on a hill, that basically only has park, reverse, drive settings. I know a lot of bigger more expensive cars have this but I'm just looking for a small hatchback. Thanks

Thats nothing to do with being an automatic - as others have pointed out, that's the hill hold function, which is performed by the brake system. Also available on manual cars.

colm_mcm

With a traditional auto you can balance it in hills using the accelerator though.

galwaytt

challengemaster wrote: »

Yes, it does. full autos don't roll backwards while in drive due to creep. steep ones they might tho.

They will roll back: it depends on the hill, weight of the car and stall speed of the transmission. As you say steep hills will defeat it - and that surely is where OP would need it most. ....

colm_mcm

cluelez wrote: »

toyota hybrid synergy drive, they use ecvt transmissions

yaris
auris
prius are most common and they are robust

these are not just fully automatic but they use Electronic Continuously Variable Transmission, which let you drive from 0 to top speed without one shake of the car as you won't feel the transmission is changing into various stages (as in conventional automatic transmission or in manual gearbox cars).

You drive these with peace of mind, comfort, smile on your face and most likely one hand less busy than with other cars which gives you more focus on other instruments such as indicators.

Not to mention your one leg is always free, so you really use less energy to drive such car and you are more relaxed after every trip as oppose to ''normal'' car.

8 years warranty or 100,000miles on above transmissions (as part of hybrid system).

Don't worry about the battery as if one modules eventually goes then you may just replace one module ($100 or so) and balance the battery, so no need for the whole pack as many try to scare.

These shouldn't go for at least 15-20 years of normal operations so don't worry getting s/hand vehicle.

these models are used by Google in various projects on testing self-driving vehicles (once appropriately converted and equipped with sensors/cameras & computers), which means the you are getting the most automatic car you can actually get on the market.

I would get one even if it was a taxi as there is proven tracking record of them being reliable. You will pay bit more upfront but there is very little maintenance afterwards.

No clutches to replace, no starters, no alternators, regen braking means you won't need pads/ discs as often and many more...

Warranty of hybrid bits is 5 years.

cluelez

colm_mcm wrote: »

Warranty of hybrid bits is 5 years.

oh

8 in US of A.

colm_mcm

Was 8 years here too till current Prius came out.

_Kaiser_

Interesting point raised around hill starts actually.

I found my 06 Passat didn't have as much creep as my older 02 version and as above both would roll back if the hill was steep enough - I actually rarely used the hill hold function as I found it would just jerk the car to a halt when the speed dropped low enough (although this wasn't as bad in later years so maybe software updates were applied to fix it)

But I was always wary of the momentary lag between releasing the foot brake and the throttle kicking in.. All you need is some clown too close behind you as it rolls for that second and........

Good thing it had an auto releasing electronic handbrake too I guess. Unless you have caliper problems and can't use either but that's another story

Matt Simis

galwaytt wrote: »

They will roll back: it depends on the hill, weight of the car and stall speed of the transmission. As you say steep hills will defeat it - and that surely is where OP would need it most. ....

Yeah but come on, if the OP cannot manage holding the foot brake then pressing the go pedal, then they shouldnt be driving at all as they clearly have no motor skills (as in the human movement type). This thread delivers fail.


Ive tried to get my autos to show any issue by stopping on shopping centre ramps mid way up, around Dublin carparks, which are stupid steep. Nothing happened. No hill assist, just press the accelerator to go.

_Kaiser_

Matt Simis wrote: »

Ive tried to get my autos to show any issue by stopping on shopping centre ramps mid way up, around Dublin carparks, which are stupid steep. Nothing happened. No hill assist, just press the accelerator to go.

Ah yes, steep multistory entrances - that was lots of fun the week I couldn't use the electronic handbrake on the Passat because one of the rear calipers was acting up (which of course also disabled the hill hold function)

Solution: Wait for a clear run at it and turn on the hazards so the guy behind hopefully keeps his distance. Worked fine but I rarely use multistory carparks anyway because of the stupidly tight corners/small spaces in some of them (and metal poles in ridiculous places that are all to easy to rub against as I discovered recently )

colm_mcm

You could always use your left foot to hold the brake?

_Kaiser_

colm_mcm wrote: »

You could always use your left foot to hold the brake?

True.. but awkward when trying to reach for those little receipt slips at the barrier.. especially being left-handed!

colm_mcm

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

True.. but awkward when trying to reach for those little receipt slips at the barrier.. especially being left-handed!

You'd be using your foot for the brake and your hand for the ticket

Caution with left foot breaking and foot on gas on a dsg for long enough on a steep hill will put the box into limp mode, great for taking off at lights.

Cienciano

You probably already know this OP, but www.carzone.ie have an option on the left to select automatic cars only. Select this and search and you'll see a good selection of second hand automatics.

ronaldo2011

galwaytt wrote: »

They will roll back: it depends on the hill, weight of the car and stall speed of the transmission. As you say steep hills will defeat it - and that surely is where OP would need it most. ....

OP, you need a hydraulic coupled automatic car OR
a mechanical automatic car with hill hold function.;)

Ok guys & girls, here are the technical facts. Any vehicle that is capable of changing ratio to the final drive automatically is called fully automatic or auto.

This includes transmissions with
1. A torque converter hydraulic coupling
2. Hydraulic multi-plate clutch
3. Dual clutches (dry or hydraulic)
4. Single clutch (dry or hydraulic)

The ratio box can contain either:
A. Planetary gear sets,
B. Multi shafts and gears
C. Continuously variable ratio pulleys (CVT)

The hill hold function is performed by the braking system holding the brakes on until deactivated by the computer or the user performing some action.

The creep function is incidental to all torque converter coupled automatics due to hydraulic coupling and slippage.
Creeping can also be induced by computer function engaging the clutch system gently to slip the clutch in order to creep. This has the effect of balancing on a slight hill.

OK.

slimjimmc

yeahyeah73 wrote: »

Thanks for your speedy reply. Im looking for an automatic that wont roll back on a hill, that basically only has park, reverse, drive settings. I know a lot of bigger more expensive cars have this but I'm just looking for a small hatchback. Thanks

An electric car would meet these requirements, but you might have others that might rule them out.

Prius has Park, reverse, drive and B for downhill which uses engine braking, only for really steep downhills though as you waste energy if your battery isn't full.

Prius doesn't roll back, as soon as you lift off the brake the motor kicks in preventing roll back, however a lot of people are not aware that if you're stopped at lights and your foot is on the brake and if it's not on it hard enough power will be sent to the motor wasting a lot of battery power to prevent roll back.

Best use P which locks the flywheel like in any auto it's easy as pie.

But I noticed this when herself was driving, you can clearly see energy flowing from the battery to the motor. She is aware of it now and doesn't sit in traffic with the foot on the brake blinding people behind.