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Potty training troubles

  • 17-08-2013 2:02pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭


    My daughter is now 3 years and 2 months old. I have tried several times to train her in the past year but nothing worked so I left her be a few times and went back to nappies.
    For the last 3 and a half weeks I have been trying again and nothing is happening.
    She will not sit on the potty at all. If I try to sit her on she will cry and scream and throw herself backwards. She throws the potty out of the room when she sees it.
    I have tried bribing her, rewarding her with stickers and sweets. I have tried reward charts and a doll that uses the potty. I have tried potty stories and books. I have tried literally everything and nothing is working.
    I have her in just a t-shirt and knickers around the house and she will continually pee and soil herself.
    She will tell me what has happened and when I ask she will say it should have gone in the potty/ toilet.
    I am at a complete loss at what to do at this stage. I have never been cross with her or pressured her.
    She is supposed to be starting Montessori in a little over 3 weeks but as they have to using the toilet to go, I don't know what I am going to do.

    I am so frustrated at this stage, I actually don't know what to do next. She seems completely indifferent to the whole process. Every child of her age that I know has been trained at least a few months at her age and children younger than her are mostly trained too.
    I know every child is different but she seems to be taking unusually long!

    Please help fellow parents!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭sillysocks


    Have you tried putting her straight to the toilet and not using the potty? Maybe it would make this time different to the previous times and might click?
    We didn't bother with a potty at all.

    Maybe seeing you use the toilet she might be curious and want to use it too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ms. Pingui


    sillysocks wrote: »
    Have you tried putting her straight to the toilet and not using the potty? Maybe it would make this time different to the previous times and might click?
    We didn't bother with a potty at all.

    Maybe seeing you use the toilet she might be curious and want to use it too.

    Yeah, I've being trying the toilet for the last number of days. I'll bring her to the bathroom regularly and she will sit on the toilet for a minute or two and the get down but she won't use it. She will just pee on the floor when she has to go, even if she has just been to the bathroom.
    I've bought her a special toilet seat and a step so she can get up and down herself but it doesn't seem to be working.
    I often bring her to the bathroom with me but she's not interested!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭2xj3hplqgsbkym


    Oh god help you, sounds impossible. sorry I can't halp at all. It sounds like you did everything,but make sure you persevere and dont give up this time.

    I know it is not reccomnded at all but a friend of mine did give out to her daughter who wouldn't use the toilet and knew what she was doing. Something along the lines of " I am so disappointed with you, no more treats until..." And it worked for her from then on. Now I know most people with disagree, and it is a big risk but, maybe?

    Also I would say don't bother with the potty at all, as there will just be a toilet in creche. Maybe make a deal with her, something like " me and you will throw out this silly old potty and you can just be a big girl like Manny and use the toilet"

    Goof luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    I'm of the ilk if they're not ready, they won't do it. Seems like your daughter just isn't ready... I'd give it a break and try again in a few weeks. Does she absolutely have to be trained for Montessori?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    Oh, I feel your pain Ms Pingui, I'm in the same boat with my fella who's nearly 3 and 3 months and playschool starts on the 11th Sept:eek: This has been going on two months

    The biggest problems are getting him to the toilet and getting him to tell me he needs to go. Now, once he's on it, if it's the right time he will go, so I've resorted to offering him my phone to play a game to sit on it long enough and rewarding him with a....terrible parent alert...chocolate biscuit:o This seems to be going ok. I've also got him involved in cleaning up after he makes a mess, he has to pull the pants off himself, go and get a bucket and go upstairs for new pants. This seems to be helping too as he just wants me to do it and go back playing. He gets a (orange bad parent alert!) sweet from a jar in the bathroom when he pees and he gets a piggy-back or horsey-back to the toilet.

    I suppose I'm kind of hoping that a few 'clean' days will show him how good clean pants are and he will see the error of his ways:rolleyes:

    Nobody warned me about this bit - pregnancy, breastfeeding, weaning etc was nothing compared to this:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,696 ✭✭✭Lisha


    We did not really use potty either. Mostly because the thought if emptying and cleaning it made me sick ;(

    My daughter was also over 3 when training and tbf she was a nightmare.
    She was around house in knickers and tshirt too and wet herself AND more countless times.
    Finally she would sit on loo and go her business but no way would she take off her knickers. She told me there was no need as the stuff would go out the holes.
    I nearly had a fit and explained that her legs were in the holes.

    All I can say is take her to loo every 15mins. If she soils take her after and sit her and say this is where we pee/poo.
    Just keep at it.
    Try novelty underwear. Maybe have pretty ones and plain ones. Start the day with pretty ones and if she soils then she can only have plain ones.

    Stay calm stay calm stay calm
    (Believe me it's easier said than done I know)

    It will happen and then it all falls into place.

    I still have to remind her ESP if she's watching tv.

    Best of luck and believe me you'll get there :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Is she eager to start Montessori? If so how about explaining to her that everybody has to be able to go to the toilet at Montessori and that she has a choice. She can either learn to use the potty/toilet or not go to Montessori. Make sure she understands that it isn't a threat or a punishment, it's just the rules for Montessori and it's up to her what she wants to do. That gives her the power to make her own decision and may incentivise her to make the effort. You can also ask her why it is that she doesn't want to use the potty. Maybe she is nervous about Montessori and is try to stay a 'baby' for a while longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    You need to following.

    Tell her that she is a big girl and that big girls use the potty/toilet. Let her know of other that her friends are not warring nappies like a baby. Get another little girl to tell her only babies ware nappies.

    Leave her in her dirty pants and tell her I don't have any more pant for you as they are all in the wash. A few dirty/wet pants should give her the message.

    Tell her there is no more teats, going to the shops, going to grannies ect till she starts to us the potty or toilet as she is a big girl now.

    Does she know that going to start Montessori soon and is she telling you I going to school?
    I would tell her you won't be going to Montessori until your out of nappies as they won't take babies.

    At this stage you need to show her that unless she gets out of nappies she not getting treats, going out or going to Montessori like the other children she knows.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    ^^^ This is what you don't do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Fungums


    hi have u tried leaving her with just a t shirt/dress on without underwear? She might be more aware of not having a nappy/undies on?
    If shes not ready I wouldn't push it(I know its stressful thinking about Montessori but I wouldn't let her know it was an issue)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    I spent nearly 2 years failing to train my son. It was after his fourth birthday when he finally decided he was ready to go potty. He was in preschool with months and all before he decided he was ready. As much as we want to force them, only they can decide regardless of our schedules. He used the seat with steps, never once bothered with the small potty. Not really advice, more like condolences from a mum who went through the same. Good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭2xj3hplqgsbkym


    lady lady wrote: »
    You need to following.

    Tell her that she is a big girl and that big girls use the potty/toilet. Let her know of other that her friends are not warring nappies like a baby. Get another little girl to tell her only babies ware nappies.
    I
    Leave her in her dirty pants and tell her I don't have any more pant for you as they are all in the wash. A few dirty/wet pants should give her the message.

    Tell her there is no more teats, going to the shops, going to grannies ect till she starts to us the potty or toilet as she is a big girl now.

    Does she know that going to start Montessori soon and is she telling you I going to school?
    I would tell her you won't be going to Montessori until your out of nappies as they won't take babies.

    At this stage you need to show her that unless she gets out of nappies she not getting treats, going out or going to Montessori like the other children she knows.

    I know I said my friend gave out and it worked but after reading this post I feel awful for any child that would have to hear that.
    Does she have to start montesori? Could you wait til after Christmas?

    David Coleman had a piece in health & living supplement of indo, basically saying, leave it for 6 months, don't mention pott training and start again, because when they feel pressured it becomes such a big deal and won't work.

    Or another suggestion. Could you ring Montessori and explain? if she is only there for 3 hours its unlikely she would need her nappy changed and maybe they could ring you if it is a poo? I don't have any experience of Montessori so no idea if that's a possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ms. Pingui


    Op here again!

    Thank you to everyone for taking the time to reply!

    So for the past few days my little one has been using the toilet at bath time in the mornings, which I am delighted with.
    However, during the day she is still wetting herself. We only have an upstairs toilet and I bring her up regularly. She either has a fit and refuses to try when I do this or sits on the toilet for a very short time and does nothing.
    Any ideas???

    Also I've been in contact with the Montessori and luckily this is not a problem for them. They will take her to the toilet very often and she can wear a pull up if she wants. We just have to bring in a few spare pants!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    So far I've had 3 failed attempts, I waited about 4 Weeks between each time. She just freaks out when I don't put her nappy on after changing.

    I'm going to leave it again for a few Weeks and hope for the best, she will be 3 in September.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ms. Pingui


    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    So far I've had 3 failed attempts, I waited about 4 Weeks between each time. She just freaks out when I don't put her nappy on after changing.

    I'm going to leave it again for a few Weeks and hope for the best, she will be 3 in September.

    Thank God I'm not the only one! Hope things work out for you this time. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭2xj3hplqgsbkym


    That is good progress and at least .ow you are not under pressure re montessori.

    I think just keep what you are doing, bringing her up regularly, just try to get her to sit longer each time. I know you have tried books and stuff but could you try something again to make her sit on the toilet longer?

    A pretty egg timer/ her favourite book/ your phone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    When our fella started potty training we got a help pack from his godmother in the uk, she works at a nursery, basically

    There was s story about sending poos and wees to poo-land as thats where they are from and 100s of stickers, each time he tried to use the potty he put a sticker on the tiles/wall then it became each time he used the potty ... Fwd 6days, fully trained....

    His GM had said they train each kid in their nursery using this within 7days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭Daffodil.d


    I feel your pain, it's very frustrating. I had the same problem with my son who is only doing wee about 5 months he's nearly 4. Another poster on here said the biscuit treat thing worked for them. I know it's not in the books but that's what worked in the end for my son with the wee. Unfortunately he's not doing poo. Like you I have tried everything. This is going to sound terrible but I think whenwe are ununder pressure to have
    them trained they sense it. No matter how calm we are. He wouldn't even sit on the toilet and in the end I got a potty. Just this evening he did poo a few times and if was very proud of himself and was brought to mc Donalds as a treat. Fingers crossed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    I honestly think when they're ready they'll do it and up until that point you'll be beating your head off the wall.

    That was the case with my two boys anyway.

    Good luck with it !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    lady lady wrote: »
    You need to following.

    Tell her that she is a big girl and that big girls use the potty/toilet. Let her know of other that her friends are not warring nappies like a baby. Get another little girl to tell her only babies ware nappies.

    Leave her in her dirty pants and tell her I don't have any more pant for you as they are all in the wash. A few dirty/wet pants should give her the message.

    Tell her there is no more teats, going to the shops, going to grannies ect till she starts to us the potty or toilet as she is a big girl now.

    Does she know that going to start Montessori soon and is she telling you I going to school?
    I would tell her you won't be going to Montessori until your out of nappies as they won't take babies.

    At this stage you need to show her that unless she gets out of nappies she not getting treats, going out or going to Montessori like the other children she knows.

    Not picking up toilet training right away isn't misbehavior so punishing it is pointless and counter productive.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    I am giving it all a rest until next week, but I am getting pressure from the creche. I am aware she is showing the signs but she freaks out when I delay putting on a nappy on her. Its the only time I've seen her freak out like this in a year. I will not continue with something that ends up with her shaking out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Are you sure the freaking out isnt her way of getting exactly what she want ...ie she knows if she goes nuts you'll put a nappy on her?

    The little ones are much cleverer than we give them credit for!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    Ah the joys, how about this for bad parenting,

    our lad, three and a half, got the hang of the pees alright but number twos were proving a nightmare. in the end I starting giving him the i-pad and leaving him on the toilet (on one of those seat inserts) it worked!! The only problem now is he wont go unless he has the i-pad and now he has starting taking the piss a bit, 'daddy I have poos quick i-pad' of course it transpires he does not in fact 'have poos' he just wants the i-pad.
    The only hope is that I can phase out the I-pad and replace it with the newspaper!


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    farmchoice wrote: »
    Ah the joys, how about this for bad parenting,

    our lad, three and a half, got the hang of the pees alright but number twos were proving a nightmare. in the end I starting giving him the i-pad and leaving him on the toilet (on one of those seat inserts) it worked!! The only problem now is he wont go unless he has the i-pad and now he has starting taking the piss a bit, 'daddy I have poos quick i-pad' of course it transpires he does not in fact 'have poos' he just wants the i-pad.
    The only hope is that I can phase out the I-pad and replace it with the newspaper!

    Hey, whatever works! :D

    Is there any chance that the Ipad can get "broken" and you have to make do with a stack of books in the toilet while its being mended. Then when it "comes back from the shop" tell him that the man said its not supposed to be used on the toilet and that's why it broke.


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,910 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Such deceit!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    Are you sure the freaking out isnt her way of getting exactly what she want ...ie she knows if she goes nuts you'll put a nappy on her?

    The little ones are much cleverer than we give them credit for!

    I get what you are saying, but I cant leave sitting on the toilet in hysterics until she wees.

    She knows what is expected of her, she knows most of her friends have this mastered.

    We will try again next Thursday.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 116 ✭✭Ciarabear


    farmchoice wrote: »
    The only problem now is he wont go unless he has the i-pad and now he has starting taking the piss a bit, 'daddy I have poos quick i-pad' of course it transpires he does not in fact 'have poos' he just wants the i-pad

    I'm sorry but there is something fundamentally wrong about children demanding iPads to now go to the toilet. What's next -a trip to Disneyland for eating dinner?

    Seriously, this quick-fix approach to parenting may be effective in the short-term but it's really doing your child no favours in the long-term. Giving them the message that they can make demands at will is not only setting a child up for a lifetime of disappointment but it also means you're at ransom to the whims of a toddler?

    You cannot hand total power to a toddler without expecting total chaos to come with it. Either leave potty-training until your child is ready to deal with it or do it on your terms, not the terms of a 3 year old


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    I'm sorry but there is something fundamentally wrong about children demanding iPads to now go to the toilet. What's next -a trip to Disneyland for eating dinner?

    Seriously, this quick-fix approach to parenting may be effective in the short-term but it's really doing your child no favours in the long-term. Giving them the message that they can make demands at will is not only setting a child up for a lifetime of disappointment but it also means you're at ransom to the whims of a toddler?

    You cannot hand total power to a toddler without expecting total chaos to come with it. Either leave potty-training until your child is ready to deal with it or do it on your terms, not the terms of a 3 year old

    You know, I knew my day was missing something - a parenting guilt trip. Look, toilet training is one of these skills a kid HAS to master. My child will sit on the toilet for a while with a book, but he will go without a screaming row about it if he can play a game on my phone. He has to be trained for playschool; otherwise I would be taking another approach.

    Giving them an ipad as a reward is no different to a book on a long journey, a cartoon while you're trying to get the dinner on or sweets to forget a pain - a necessary "quick fix" to get necessary things done. By the holier-than-thou attitude expressed, you'd swear the poster above was sending the child to bed with the thing!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 116 ✭✭Ciarabear


    You know, I knew my day was missing something - a parenting guilt trip

    No please don't assume my intention is to guilt trip anybody just because I expressed an alternative opinion. That's lazy reasoning and a bit of a cheap shot. At the end of the day, people's children are their own and it makes no difference to me whatsoever how people choose to parent.

    What I do think is that children need to be taught from the get-go that there are some things they simply must do because Mammy or Daddy say so and without having to be bribed with sweets or an iPad. Yes, it takes more effort to get that message across but it sure as hell pays dividends in future.

    Also, you mentioned that your child "has to be trained for playchool" -what you're also training your child for playschool is that if they scream loudly enough they'll have their demands met on tap, which most certainly is not the case outside of Mammy and Daddy's house


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    No please don't assume my intention is to guilt trip anybody just because I expressed an alternative opinion. That's lazy reasoning and a bit of a cheap shot. At the end of the day, people's children are their own and it makes no difference to me whatsoever how people choose to parent.

    What I do think is that children need to be taught from the get-go that there are some things they simply must do because Mammy or Daddy say so and without having to be bribed with sweets or an iPad. Yes, it takes more effort to get that message across but it sure as hell pays dividends in future.

    Also, you mentioned that your child "has to be trained for playchool" -what you're also training your child for playschool is that if they scream loudly enough they'll have their demands met on tap, which most certainly is not the case outside of Mammy and Daddy's house

    Of course there are things they have to do because mammy says so - go to bed, not get out of it in the middle of the night, eat breakfast etc. These things were not done on a timetable, it was when the child was ready. Toilet training is different, parents like myself are often under pressure and teaching the skill can be very frustrating. In order for them to learn the skill they must realise how it's done, they need to stay on the toilet for a length of time. Now, if parents have managed to get lively 3 year olds to sit on the toilet without some kind of bribe/promise/cajoling, well fair play to them and I am hugely envious.

    In my post I flagged in a tongue-in-cheek way that it is "bad parenting" i.e. I am aware that this is not the ideal way to do it. However, with a stubborn wee man, me being back to work, a busy 16 month old and playschool looming in the near distance it is the way I have to do it. I fail to see how reminding a poster of this is helpful.

    5 minutes with my phone will not undermine the rest of my parenting. The bribe is a temporary crutch, the skill is necessary and will last a lifetime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    But all the literature I have seen (and after 2 years of failed attempts I read more than my fair share) regarding potty training promotes a reward system, stickers on a chart/toys/etc. My guy was told X toy when he learned to go pee pee, and Y toy when he learnt to go poo poo. He got both and has never looked back.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 116 ✭✭Ciarabear


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    But all the literature I have seen (and after 2 years of failed attempts I read more than my fair share) regarding potty training promotes a reward system, stickers on a chart/toys/etc

    Yeah, that's true but the whole rationale behind a rewards system is that it's given on merit as opposed to demand when a child screams for it. Giving a reward when a child screams and demands something is just rewarding negative behaviour and sends mixed signals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    Yeah, that's true but the whole rationale behind a rewards system is that it's given on merit as opposed to demand when a child screams for it. Giving a reward when a child screams and demands something is just rewarding negative behaviour and sends mixed signals

    I am a terrible mother, if he demands and says he'll wet himself, I dare him to. He hasn't followed through on the threat yet.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 116 ✭✭Ciarabear


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I am a terrible mother, if he demands and says he'll wet himself, I dare him to. He hasn't followed through on the threat yet.

    Nah, that's being a sensible mother not being dictated to by a winchey person! :)


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    I'm sorry but there is something fundamentally wrong about children demanding iPads to now go to the toilet. What's next -a trip to Disneyland for eating dinner?

    Seriously, this quick-fix approach to parenting may be effective in the short-term but it's really doing your child no favours in the long-term. Giving them the message that they can make demands at will is not only setting a child up for a lifetime of disappointment but it also means you're at ransom to the whims of a toddler?

    You cannot hand total power to a toddler without expecting total chaos to come with it. Either leave potty-training until your child is ready to deal with it or do it on your terms, not the terms of a 3 year old

    Ciara, how did you potty train your child(ren)? You seem to have handled it without bribes or props so I'm very interested in what worked for you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    Giving a reward when a child screams and demands something is just rewarding negative behaviour and sends mixed signals

    Farmchoice described his son screaming for the iPad exactly no times so I'm not sure why children screaming for things is such an issue for you here.:confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 116 ✭✭Ciarabear


    Neyite wrote: »
    Ciara, how did you potty train your child(ren)? You seem to have handled it without bribes or props so I'm very interested in what worked for you.

    I find waiting until a child is ready quite effective, reading cues like them telling you they've done a poo, appearing uncomfortable when in a dirty nappy, not wanting to wear a nappy at all. Patience I suppose more than anything.
    iguana wrote: »
    Farmchoice described his son screaming for the iPad exactly no times so I'm not sure why children screaming for things is such an issue for you here.:confused:

    Are you here to contribute to the potty-training discussion or to be pedantic for no apparent reason? (Implausible referred to her child screaming)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    I thought the thread was about friendly potty training advice as opposed to Super Parent Of The Year awards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Im a dad, had similar issues training my 3yo, he would go if I reminded him but any distraction at all and he would end up messing himself.

    We had a reward chart but it wasnt working.........until we put it up in the bathroom. That way he got to see his stars going up everytime he went toilet. It was a game changer and everything has been great since


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭moochers


    Hey there OP
    I know another post mentioned that their oldest child had no issues but it was problematic for their second child.

    It was the opposite for me, ages to train older son, youngest child no problem. I think it was probably because he saw that his older bro was wearing 'big boy pants' and he wanted them too.

    Don't worry too much, it's great the creche will allow pull ups but I think within a few weeks of being there she will get the hang of it as she will copy the other kids and get into the routine of regular toilet breaks.

    Good luck ! This too shall pass:)


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  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    I find waiting until a child is ready quite effective, reading cues like them telling you they've done a poo, appearing uncomfortable when in a dirty nappy, not wanting to wear a nappy at all. Patience I suppose more than anything.

    How old was yours when it happened, and how long did it take you with this method?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    I find waiting until a child is ready quite effective, reading cues like them telling you they've done a poo, appearing uncomfortable when in a dirty nappy, not wanting to wear a nappy at all. Patience I suppose more than anything.



    Are you here to contribute to the potty-training discussion or to be pedantic for no apparent reason? (Implausible referred to her child screaming)

    She's not being pedantic, what I said was:
    My child will sit on the toilet for a while with a book, but he will go without a screaming row about it if he can play a game on my phone.

    Not quite the same as the child screaming for my phone. He often doesn't want to go and fights with me over it, promising him the phone cuts a lot of that out and makes him sit longer. I'm fairly sure he won't need it when he's 15:rolleyes:

    What is your main concern here Ciarabear - are you assuming that parents who bribe their toddlers in this way to get them to use the toilet are letting the children get their own way all the rest of the time or that giving the child a device to play with while potty-training is doing the child harm?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    I'm sorry but there is something fundamentally wrong about children demanding iPads to now go to the toilet. What's next -a trip to Disneyland for eating dinner?

    Seriously, this quick-fix approach to parenting may be effective in the short-term but it's really doing your child no favours in the long-term. Giving them the message that they can make demands at will is not only setting a child up for a lifetime of disappointment but it also means you're at ransom to the whims of a toddler?

    You cannot hand total power to a toddler without expecting total chaos to come with it. Either leave potty-training until your child is ready to deal with it or do it on your terms, not the terms of a 3 year old

    How dare you. I have never offered my child a trip abroad in return for eating his dinner, that would be outrageous and to be frank pointless as he is not so stupid as to believe id bring him.
    The most I have ever offered him in return for eating his dinner is a trip to the swimming pool (this happened yesterday evening in fact but in my defense I had not read your critique of my parenting until this morning).

    I don't think i'm really a bad parent or that I engage in bad parenting, I just think I'm a real parent engaged in real parenting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭angelfire9


    farmchoice wrote: »
    Ah the joys, how about this for bad parenting,

    our lad, three and a half, got the hang of the pees alright but number twos were proving a nightmare. in the end I starting giving him the i-pad and leaving him on the toilet (on one of those seat inserts) it worked!! The only problem now is he wont go unless he has the i-pad and now he has starting taking the piss a bit, 'daddy I have poos quick i-pad' of course it transpires he does not in fact 'have poos' he just wants the i-pad.
    The only hope is that I can phase out the I-pad and replace it with the newspaper!

    Well, regardless of Ciara's opinion I am actually going to try and use the iPad trick with my lady
    She won't sit on potty or toilet long enough to do anything and then we have accidents so maybe the colouring app on the iPad will help :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Bagheera


    Thought I'd join in as I started training my son last week. He did really well for a few days, then yesterday was a total disaster (he was in creche and had many accidents). I was on the verge of giving up last night as I was worried I had started him too early. However he had a great day today, no wee wee accidents at all.

    Ok so he knows what he is doing no 1 wise but he doesn't seem to realise when he needs a no 2. I'm a little surprised as he has been telling me for months when he has a dirty nappy. I might try the letting him watch/play with a device while using the loo over the weekend. Last weekend he pooed for me in the potty because I sat reading peppa pig books to him for 20 mins but when left to his own devices he poos his pants. Any other tips?

    I have never talked about poo so much in my life than I have over the last few days!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    Bagheera wrote: »
    I might try the letting him watch/play with a device while using the loo over the weekend. Last weekend he pooed for me in the potty because I sat reading peppa pig books to him for 20 mins but when left to his own devices he poos his pants. Any other tips?

    I have never talked about poo so much in my life than I have over the last few days!!

    It's ridiculous what passes for a conversation in our house these days too!

    The reason I give my buck the phone is to get him to sit long enough to do a pooh, he has no patience and will hop off the loo and have dirty pants 5 mins later. There's a great app called Zoodles which locks your phone/tablet for kid use. They can only access certain apps, recommend toddler - appropriate ones and you can set a time limit on it.

    Just make sure the device doesn't go for a swim!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭sillysocks


    There's a great app called Zoodles which locks your phone/tablet for kid use. They can only access certain apps, recommend toddler - appropriate ones and you can set a time limit on it.

    Must get that - at the moment we use airplane mode to stop any stray texts, phone calls etc going out, but she has turned that off the odd time so the app might be better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Ciarabear wrote: »
    I find waiting until a child is ready quite effective, reading cues like them telling you they've done a poo, appearing uncomfortable when in a dirty nappy, not wanting to wear a nappy at all. Patience I suppose more than anything.



    Are you here to contribute to the potty-training discussion or to be pedantic for no apparent reason? (Implausible referred to her child screaming)

    If I had waited for my three year old to be ready I'd have been waiting an age. She'd lie if you asked her was she poo'ing in her nappy even though I knew she was and if she was poo and I smelled her she'd deny it too. She just didn't want to train at all.

    The first three days she wee'd all over the place and poo'd her underwear more than once. But she started getting the hang of it. We've only had one or two accidents since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Bagheera


    I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but since I started toilet training my 2.5 year old he has started acting a bit babyish in other ways. He was always fiercely independent when it came to eating, but now he is asking me to feed him! I suppose it could be because everyone is emphasising the 'grown up' element of wearing pants. I'm sure he'll grow out of it and I don't mind babying him a bit at the moment as I was nearly in tears buying him his first underwear; he's growing up so quickly :(


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