UPS Crash near Birmingham Alabama

knucklehead6

http://www.wrbl.com/story/23132209/plane-crash-near-birmingham-airport

Just got a news alert about a UPS crash near Birmingham, Ala.

Simon Gruber Says

Just hearing reports of a cargo plane operated by UPS that went down in Alabama

http://www.alabamas13.com/story/23132151/east-birmingham-plane-crash

davo2001

Link?

Peregrine

Crashed into a field owned by the airport near the fence.

Some reports say it was an A300.

Growler!!!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057014924

EchoIndia

This flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS1354
The aircraft is reported to be A300F N155UP, with two crew on board.

Razor44

http://avherald.com/h?article=466d969f&opt=0 link to the aviation herald artical on the crash

kona

They put the plane down a mile from the runway?! What were they looking at out the window!?

knucklehead6

kona wrote: »

They put the plane down a mile from the runway?! What were they looking at out the window!?

Local time was 04.31.

Someone mentioned in the AV article about the ILS having to be turned off due to CFIT potential....

YbFocus

Looking at the aerial photographs, with the amount of houses around the wreckage it was a miracle it wasn't worse.
Also seen that comment about the possible CFIT, it was said to be a clear morning though, surely they could see the runway at 1nmi.

kona

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Local time was 04.31.

Someone mentioned in the AV article about the ILS having to be turned off due to CFIT potential....

Visibility looked abit crap, but not as crap so you didn't see the runway. Don't you need 100% visual at x amount of feet? Or else go around? Very odd.

keroseneboy

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Local time was 04.31.

Someone mentioned in the AV article about the ILS having to be turned off due to CFIT potential....

Apparantly the main runway was closed at the time of the accident.

keroseneboy

kona wrote: »

They put the plane down a mile from the runway?! What were they looking at out the window!?

It is too early to attribute blame. Let their families grieve a bit first before jumping to conclusions.

kona

keroseneboy wrote: »

It is too early to attribute blame. Let their families grieve a bit first before jumping to conclusions.

No mayday no sign of emergency just a plane in bits a mile from the runway. I'm not jumping to conclusions, they are the facts presented in the report and fotos above.
Oh yea forgot, questioning pilots in here is a sin.

keroseneboy

No official NTSB report has been issued. Basing your judgment of the professionalism of those pilots who died in the line of duty on an on-line news article is ill-advised.
Wait for the report. Until then, desist from conjecture about what those recently deceased human beings did or did not do(i.e take your own inventory).

keroseneboy

kona wrote: »

No mayday no sign of emergency just a plane in bits a mile from the runway. I'm not jumping to conclusions, they are the facts presented in the report and fotos above.
Oh yea forgot, questioning pilots in here is a sin.

Latest from NTSB: possible uncontained engine fire....

"The pilots of UPS flight 1354 were attempting to land on the shorter runway of Birmingham Shuttlesworth International airport before it crashed, because the airport's longer runway was closed for maintenance, says the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).

The Airbus A300-600 freighter was to land on runway 18 because the longer runway 6/24 was closed for repair to centerline lights during the 14 August incident, NTSB member Robert Sumwalt says during a press conference in Birmingham, Alabama today.

Runway 18 is 7,099ft long and has no instrument landing system, while runway 6/24 is 11,998ft long and does have an instrument approach, according to AirNav.com.

Sumwalt says the NTSB has recovered the flight data record and cockpit voice recorder and has sent them to Washington for analysis. Those recorders were in the smouldering tail section of the aircraft last night, nearly 12 hours after the crash.

Sumwalt says he is hopeful the recorders will yield good data.

Sumwalt says evidence exists of an uncontained fire in the aircraft's Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines, but the engines show signs of ingesting foreign debris from dirt and trees.

The engines will be sent to the manufacturer for further evaluation, says the NTSB.

Sumwalt says the agency has obtained radar data that will allow it to plot the aircraft's position, altitude and speed during approach.

In addition, the agency has requested UPS to provide them with crew-related documents, including information about the pilots' scheduling, training and other employment information.

"UPS is cooperating fully with us," Sumwalt says.

The NTSB's maintenance records group expects to convene tomorrow morning in Louisville, Kentucky to "pore over" the maintenance history of the aircraft, and investigators are interviewing air traffic controllers in Birmingham.

The aircraft struck trees and crashed at 06:11 Eastern Time (05:11 local time) yesterday in a field near the airport, the NTSB has said."(Source: Flight International).

Note that the NTSB team are not jumping to conclusions before analysing the crash.
They very rarely do.

The T7 Asiana crash in SFO was a bit of an exception. The NTSB broke with their usual reserve and provided information early in the investigation. To T7 pilots there is a known glitch in the vref/autothrottle system where airspeed can drop dangerously low on short finals.

kona

keroseneboy wrote: »

Latest from NTSB: possible uncontained engine fire....

"The pilots of UPS flight 1354 were attempting to land on the shorter runway of Birmingham Shuttlesworth International airport before it crashed, because the airport's longer runway was closed for maintenance, says the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).

The Airbus A300-600 freighter was to land on runway 18 because the longer runway 6/24 was closed for repair to centerline lights during the 14 August incident, NTSB member Robert Sumwalt says during a press conference in Birmingham, Alabama today.

Runway 18 is 7,099ft long and has no instrument landing system, while runway 6/24 is 11,998ft long and does have an instrument approach, according to AirNav.com.

Sumwalt says the NTSB has recovered the flight data record and cockpit voice recorder and has sent them to Washington for analysis. Those recorders were in the smouldering tail section of the aircraft last night, nearly 12 hours after the crash.

Sumwalt says he is hopeful the recorders will yield good data.

Sumwalt says evidence exists of an uncontained fire in the aircraft's Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines, but the engines show signs of ingesting foreign debris from dirt and trees.

The engines will be sent to the manufacturer for further evaluation, says the NTSB.

Sumwalt says the agency has obtained radar data that will allow it to plot the aircraft's position, altitude and speed during approach.

In addition, the agency has requested UPS to provide them with crew-related documents, including information about the pilots' scheduling, training and other employment information.

"UPS is cooperating fully with us," Sumwalt says.

The NTSB's maintenance records group expects to convene tomorrow morning in Louisville, Kentucky to "pore over" the maintenance history of the aircraft, and investigators are interviewing air traffic controllers in Birmingham.

The aircraft struck trees and crashed at 06:11 Eastern Time (05:11 local time) yesterday in a field near the airport, the NTSB has said."(Source: Flight International).

Note that the NTSB team are not jumping to conclusions before analysing the crash.
They very rarely do.

The T7 Asiana crash in SFO was a bit of an exception. The NTSB broke with their usual reserve and provided information early in the investigation. To T7 pilots there is a known glitch in the vref/autothrottle system where airspeed can drop dangerously low on short finals.

Had a uncontained engine fire yet decided to keep quiet and not declare it?

I'd speculate but we all know you can't do that here.

keroseneboy

kona wrote: »

Had a uncontained engine fire yet decided to keep quiet and not declare it?

I'd speculate but we all know you can't do that here.

2 professionals lost their lives.

If you fiind it amusing to speculate as to how that happened, I suggest you wait for concrete facts from the final NTSB air crash investigation report about what exactly happened before insulting their professionalism with statements referring to their lack of ability to look out the window.

Their lives are a loss infinately bigger than the airframe hull loss + cargo. Show a little respect, please.

eatmyshorts

kona wrote: »

Had a uncontained engine fire yet decided to keep quiet and not declare it?

I'd speculate but we all know you can't do that here.

That big heavy chip on your shoulder must be really hurting.