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Why do America fare so poorly at the Ryder Cup?
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12-08-2013 10:12PM#1I was just looking at recent history of the Ryder Cup, Europe have now won 7 out the last 9 Ryder Cups, stretching back to 1993.
However America since this very same period have won 45 majors and european golfers, just 13, whats wrong?
Also that era of winning 7 out of the last 9 Ryder Cups also includes facing Mickelson and Tiger Woods, between them have 19 majors!!
I used to hear Sky and Monty say time and time again everytime I watch their coverage that Ryder Cup success consistantly proves European golf is stronger than American golf, ok if so, why is the european major count so low compared to the American one?
I mean I'm sure Europe will continue to dominate the Ryder Cup and will win it again next year, but I just can't get my head around it?0
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ThomasFlynn wrote: »I was just looking at recent history of the Ryder Cup, Europe have now won 7 out the last 9 Ryder Cups, stretching back to 1993.
However America since this very same period have won 45 majors and european golfers, just 13, whats wrong?
Also that era of winning 7 out of the last 9 Ryder Cups also includes facing Mickelson and Tiger Woods, between them have 19 majors!!
I used to hear Sky and Monty say time and time again everytime I watch their coverage that Ryder Cup success consistantly proves European golf is stronger than American golf, ok if so, why is the european major count so low compared to the American one?
I mean I'm sure Europe will continue to dominate the Ryder Cup and will win it again next year, but I just can't get my head around it?
I don't think I've ever heard Monty or Sky say European Golf is stronger. I don't think even Monty is that blinkered.0 -
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ThomasFlynn wrote: »I was just looking at recent history of the Ryder Cup, Europe have now won 7 out the last 9 Ryder Cups, stretching back to 1993.
However America since this very same period have won 45 majors and european golfers, just 13, whats wrong?
Also that era of winning 7 out of the last 9 Ryder Cups also includes facing Mickelson and Tiger Woods, between them have 19 majors!!
I used to hear Sky and Monty say time and time again everytime I watch their coverage that Ryder Cup success consistantly proves European golf is stronger than American golf, ok if so, why is the european major count so low compared to the American one?
I mean I'm sure Europe will continue to dominate the Ryder Cup and will win it again next year, but I just can't get my head around it?
And out of Europe's last 13 majors, Ireland have picked up 7 of them!!! Sometimes its easy to forget how spectacularly successful golfers born & bred on this island have been in world golf. It's a credit to the players but also to club golf in Ireland, the coaches, and the GUI.
But back to the OP - I doubt anyone seriously believes that European golf is stronger than US golf. They still have the best tour, the best college system, the best players, etc. However, they do lack variety in the courses and conditions that they play. They also lack comraderie and teamwork.
One of the reasons that the Europeans have been so successful against the US in recent years is that European players have more variety in their game, are used to playing on different types of courses and in different types of weather, and most importantly they all seem to get on well together (except for Harro & Garcia!)0 -
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ThomasFlynn wrote: »I was just looking at recent history of the Ryder Cup, Europe have now won 7 out the last 9 Ryder Cups, stretching back to 1993.
However America since this very same period have won 45 majors and european golfers, just 13, whats wrong?
It's not a case of "whats wrong" with the major figures.
I think the major figures give a fair representation of where the two sides are and have been since 1993.
Over the period, the US are stronger, they have better players and a lot more of them. A lot more better players equals a lot more chance of winning.
They also have Tiger, a phenomena, winning more Majors than all of Europe during this period which helps....he's almost makes up for 1 in every 3 of the US Major wins during that period which is pretty crazy since he wasn't even playing for the first 3-4 years of that period, and hasn't won one in the last 5 years.
This is becoming less of a point up until relatively recently as more Europeans are locating in the US but:
3 out of 4 Majors are held in the US which also gives them the advantage.
The European Major being a links doesn't necessarily suit all European players.
So if nothing is really going wrong with the Majors as I feel...Then, something has to be going right with the Ryder Cup!
I could go into detail, but quite simply it's a different ball game altogether.
It's a team event and Europe seem to have proven a better team.
As it's limited to the "best" 12 golfers from each team, the overall gap between Europe and the US is bridged, maybe swayed sometimes.
Europe don't have the strength in dept that the US have (this strength in dept can produce Major winners) but that doesn't really come into it when they are limited to the best 12.ThomasFlynn wrote: »Also that era of winning 7 out of the last 9 Ryder Cups also includes facing Mickelson and Tiger Woods, between them have 19 majors!!
They are only ever 2 players on a 12 man team. It's great to have them but there are other factors. Tiger for one, isn't know as the best team player, does he unsettle the camp etc etc?
ThomasFlynn wrote: »I used to hear Sky and Monty say time and time again everytime I watch their coverage that Ryder Cup success consistantly proves European golf is stronger than American golf, ok if so, why is the european major count so low compared to the American one?
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I think there is a lazy assumption that the European teams "get on better" and that leads to better performance on the field. I'm not sure I buy into that. There has been enough noise down the years of players not getting on in the European camp, Sergio and Padraig being two big personalities who don't get on.
They do the same analysis every Ryder Cup as to why Europe "appear" stronger and it is always mentioned that European professionals have played more fourball and foursome events growing up in their youth, which is maybe true, although how relevant I'm not sure.
I think it's just opinion forming, I don't think there is anything concrete that indicates the why's or whats. It's all about momentum really looking at it, and so many times momentum could ahve easily swung for the US but just didn't. I remember during Faldo's year, feeling Europe got pleasently spanked, encapsulated by Garcia being stomped by Anthony Kim, who from that performance was marked as " the next superstar of golf", and well you know how that went.
Plus I don't think Tiger's intensity is anything news breaking. I don't buy that it's "in the zone" stuff, just think he isn't that great of a person in comparison to how some others act around fans or their fan interaction. As for how that affects the Us team, surely it's negligible.
I remmber it being referneced a few tmes by Sky commentary, does the circus around Woods affect the Us team. If that is true in any shape or form ( which I doubt it is) then very simply the problem is an epicly frail mental state for Us golfers 0 -
I think there is a lazy assumption that the European teams "get on better" and that leads to better performance on the field. I'm not sure I buy into that. There has been enough noise down the years of players not getting on in the European camp, Sergio and Padraig being two big personalities who don't get on.
They do the same analysis every Ryder Cup as to why Europe "appear" stronger and it is always mentioned that European professionals have played more fourball and foursome events growing up in their youth, which is maybe true, although how relevant I'm not sure.
I think it's just opinion forming, I don't think there is anything concrete that indicates the why's or whats. It's all about momentum really looking at it, and so many times momentum could ahve easily swung for the US but just didn't. I remember during Faldo's year, feeling Europe got pleasently spanked, encapsulated by Garcia being stomped by Anthony Kim, who from that performance was marked as " the next superstar of golf", and well you know how that went.
Plus I don't think Tiger's intensity is anything news breaking. I don't buy that it's "in the zone" stuff, just think he isn't that great of a person in comparison to how some others act around fans or their fan interaction. As for how that affects the Us team, surely it's negligible.
I remmber it being referneced a few tmes by Sky commentary, does the circus around Woods affect the Us team. If that is true in any shape or form ( which I doubt it is) then very simply the problem is an epicly frail mental state for Us golfers
It may be a bit of an assumption to presume that the Europeans get on well together. However, there is at least some truth in it I think. Anecdotally, you hear a lot about how on the Euro tour the pros will eat together, travel together, etc. Doesn't appear to happen as much on the US tour.
I think another thing the Europeans have done well in over the years is picking the right pairings. From Seve & Olazabal, to Westwood & Clarke, etc.
However, as you mentioned, lots of these Ryder Cups go right down to the wire and a lucky bounce, or someone holing an outrageous putt, can make all the difference. Who knows, maybe Europe is just a bit luckier these days!0 -
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