Aer Arrann Tailstrike at Birmhingham with Video

John_Mc

Nothing too major but interesting to see it on video

Aviation Herald

Growler!!!

My god. Some of the comments left are so uninformed it's bordering on the farcical.

urajoke

Growler!!! wrote: »

My god. Some of the comments left are so uninformed it's bordering on the farcical.

Yep nepotism causes tail strikes.

Henry Ford III

Poor piloting?

FWVT

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Poor piloting?

It certainly looks so on that video evidence. I can't see any weather-related reasons. Metars look innocuous enough and there is no chance of a downdraft being the reason as there were no clouds (even above 5,000 ft).

jamo2oo9

Why did he go around? He just missed the TDZ by no more that 200ft and plenty of runway left even for a turboprop.

Shamrock231

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Why did he go around? He just missed the TDZ by no more that 200ft and plenty of runway left even for a turboprop.

He bounced, probably remembering the time back in SNN two years ago when they bounced and instead tried to plant it on the ground and broke the NLG.

jamo2oo9

Yeah but it wasn't a massive bounce and there was plenty of room to land and safely stop within the runway.

Shamrock231

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Yeah but it wasn't a massive bounce and there was plenty of room to land and safely stop within the runway.

Yeh, but they were low on speed, with speed decreasing, which meant elevator authority was decreasing which would have resulted in the nose smacking down. They would have needed a larger flare to arrest the sink rate which ironically would have resulted in a tailstrike.

In the case of a bounced landing often it's easy to get into a position where you could easily either strike your tail or smack it on hard resulting in damage, safest bet is to power out of the situation and try again in a couple minutes, although that didn't work in this case. Rock and a hard place and all that...

jamo2oo9

Ah understood now. Cheers for the clarity!

Fully Established

Tail strike and now a pilot strike what next ?

Growler!!!

Fully Established wrote: »

Tail strike and now a pilot strike what next ?

Sure it will be grand. You informed us all that 2 French union breakers were recently employed.

Shamrock231

French Union breakers, isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? :pac:

Fully Established

Growler!!! wrote: »

Sure it will be grand. You informed us all that 2 French union breakers were recently employed.

Think you might want to carefully read again what I said .

Growler!!!

I did, and found this

Fully Established wrote: »

Secondly is it a deliberate move by the company to employ foreign pilots to weaken the Union ?

and this

Fully Established wrote: »

Or on the other hand could it be a cunning and deliberate move by the management to recruit foreign pilots to weaken the union.

Fully Established

Growler!!! wrote: »

I did, and found this




and this

If you read it properly first one is a question and the second one is a suggestion .

MuffinsDa

Those of you with connections! : Is the strike likely to go ahead, do you think, or is the usual threat and last minute change of mind scenario?

Fully Established

MuffinsDa wrote: »

Those of you with connections! : Is the strike likely to go ahead, do you think, or is the usual threat and last minute change of mind scenario?

Everything is still possible but bear in mind just because the strike goes ahead that does not mean the Aer Arann fleet will be grounded.You could have a scenario such as the pilots picketing the airport and Aer Arann aircraft being flown over them crewed by contractors.

MuffinsDa

I'm scheduled to fly with them on Saturday actually. Spoke to Aer Lingus yesterday, they said they are trying to source replacement aircraft and will advise of any changes by tomorrow. Not sure whether to believe that. Considering the time of year, their regular fleet of A320s is probably fully utilised, unless maybe they lease something from Titan or other charter operators and consolidate a few ATR flights to the same destination into one 320 or 737? I don't if that's what they normally do in a case like this.

Fully Established

MuffinsDa wrote: »

I'm scheduled to fly with them on Saturday actually. Spoke to Aer Lingus yesterday, they said they are trying to source replacement aircraft and will advise of any changes by tomorrow. Not sure whether to believe that. Considering the time of year, their regular fleet of A320s is probably fully utilised, unless maybe they lease something from Titan or other charter operators and consolidate a few ATR flights to the same destination into one 320 or 737? I don't if that's what they normally do in a case like this.

You should be alright if your flying on Saturday as the strike is not starting until Tuesday . Your right Aer Lingus might try and consolidate some flights but it is also likely Arann will employ contract pilots to crew the aircraft.

Their are pilots that will oblige regardless of the industrial action. It will be interesting to see if the pilots support each other and stay together as a group rather than buckle under the pressure from the threats been made by the company.

MuffinsDa

Fully Established wrote: »

You should be alright if your flying on Saturday as the strike is not starting until Tuesday.

Sorry should've said flying on Saturday 24th which is one of the strike days.

80RPilot

Hiring in pilots to fly the fleet will take a month to train, they already have a minority of contractors, but will be unable to operate a full schedule.

Fully Established

80RPilot wrote: »

Hiring in pilots to fly the fleet will take a month to train, they already have a minority of contractors, but will be unable to operate a full schedule.

Surely the company have a contingency plan that would involve possibly wet leasing aircraft and crew the likes of DAT or even get a dispensation from the IAA for outside crews to fly the planes.

Growler!!!

Fully Established wrote: »

Surely the company have a contingency plan that would involve possibly wet leasing aircraft and crew the likes of DAT or even get a dispensation from the IAA for outside crews to fly the planes.

They may have a contingency plan but being able to implement it in such a short space of time is the problem. The likes of Titan allegedly charge in the region of €50,000 a day to wet lease from.

80RPilot

As was mentioned, Its the peak of the season, all airlines would be already using any aircraft they can. EI cant even cope themselves with their schedule.

They could get DAT back again, but they could only supply one aircraft.

I highly doubt the IAA would allow 40 pilots fly REs aircraft at the drop of a hat.
Anyone who enters a company would have to undergo sim training, first aid, safety procedures, security, get ramp IDs plus then they would need line training.

Who knows, RTE news reporting talks are underway! Lets see what happens.

Growler!!!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0815/468393-aer-arann-talks/

Well. That escalated quickly.

Shamrock231

That esculated very quickly, now just to get Ryanair to strike and we could solve all this weeks problems in one quick swoop... :rolleyes:

Shamrock231

Turns out they're only voting not to cross the picket, not strike in solidarity. Basically, they're not going to operate the routes that RE aren't operating, which I'm guessing they couldn't anyways seeing as their fleet and pilot duty hours are stretched to the max at the moment anyways.

Growler!!!

Just following it now on pprune

lemansky

From EI on Facebook:

Aer Arann have confirmed that all Aer Lingus Regional services will operate fully, across all routes, at all airports next week. Confirmation of this is being delivered directly to booked customers by SMS, web, email and through social and other media. We apologise for any inconvenience or uncertainty caused over the past number of days.