05 Ford Focus 1.6TDi - anyone know roughly how much to replace engine...

OnlyWayIsUp

and anyone recommend a place in Dublin that might do it?

Thanks.

L-M

The main cost of that would be the engine itself.

Ive seen people buy full cars just to get the engine.

Upwards of 2k anyway.

bazz26

What's wrong with the existing engine? Have you looked at the cost of rebuilding it rather than replacing it?

88manta

Buying those engines 2nd hand can be very hit and miss.

Their an excellent engine if they have.been serviced correctly and best quality oil used each time.

If not, they can wear out prematurely. You'd want to be getting a low mileage one.

Don't forget the engine U get will need new timing belt kit and full service before its fitted.

That's another 200 in parts

mullingar

OnlyWayIsUp wrote: »

and anyone recommend a place in Dublin that might do it?

Thanks.

In fairness those engines there are very reliable, but as mentioned above needs correct maintenance.

What exactly is diagnosed wrong with it?

OnlyWayIsUp

bazz26 wrote: »

What's wrong with the existing engine? Have you looked at the cost of rebuilding it rather than replacing it?

Timing Belt went pal.

vandriver

OnlyWayIsUp wrote: »

Timing Belt went pal.

Just wondering,what mileage was up on the car when the belt went?(My C4 has the same engine and I was told 150 k miles or 10 years)

Bpmull

vandriver wrote: »

Just wondering,what mileage was up on the car when the belt went?(My C4 has the same engine and I was told 150 k miles or 10 years)

Ford recommend 200k km or 10 years on the 1.6tdci same engine as the hdi. I don't know whether Citroen recommend the same or less they definitely don't recommend 150k miles anyway. I recently done the belt on my 1.6tdci focus it is 07 done at 113k km due to an oil leak. The belt was saturated with oil and would not have lasted till 200k km. only for I brought it to my mechanic I wouldn't have realised it I was lucky. The leak wasnt obvious and the belt cover hid the oil.

dgt

I'd be inclined to rebuild it if the belt has gone, at least you know what you had...

Anan1

I think I remember hearing somewhere that Ford will cover the cost of premature TB failures - give them a call to ask before spending any money.

vandriver

http://c4owners.org/plugins/faq/faq.php?0.cat.2.106

So it seems they do recommend 150000 miles or 10 years as I stated.

Mycroft H

However they do recommend 120k miles if it's had a hard life. I'd err on the side of caution.

OnlyWayIsUp

Anan1 wrote: »

I think I remember hearing somewhere that Ford will cover the cost of premature TB failures - give them a call to ask before spending any money.

Have 186km on clock.

Timing Belt was changed this time last year with 118km on clock.

Ford would hardly cover work done by another garage would they?

jonathan13

did your timing belt damaged some major part of the engine?

bazz26

jonathan13 wrote: »

did your timing belt damaged some major part of the engine?

I'd say that's a given since he is looking for a new engine.

jonathan13

bazz26 wrote: »

I'd say that's a given since he is looking for a new engine.

just asking cause he may not need to spend 2k or more if its not a major blow on the engine. A proper repair might work. Unless the damage has reached the engine block that supports the timing belt.

Henry Ford III

jonathan13 wrote: »

just asking cause he may not need to spend 2k or more if its not a major blow on the engine. A proper repair might work. Unless the damage has reached the engine block that supports the timing belt.

Do you know what happens when a t/b snaps?

Fast moving bits of metal that usually move up and down in a very organised and highly orchestrated manner try to make a break for freedom, and smash into each other. Mr. Piston meets Mr. Valve and makes a big impression.

vandriver

OnlyWayIsUp wrote: »

Have 186km on clock.

Timing Belt was changed this time last year with 118km on clock.

Ford would hardly cover work done by another garage would they?

I'd be more interested in finding out how a new belt that is supposed to have a life of 200 k km plus dies after less than 70 k km.

650Ginge

vandriver wrote: »

I'd be more interested in finding out how a new belt that is supposed to have a life of 200 k km plus dies after less than 70 k km.

Because it was a cheap Chinese belt probably.

Tigger

Who changed the belt at 118,000
What did they say about it failing

Mycroft H

Don't quality belts not usually come with a warranty of their own?

jonathan13

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Do you know what happens when a t/b snaps?

Fast moving bits of metal that usually move up and down in a very organised and highly orchestrated manner try to make a break for freedom, and smash into each other. Mr. Piston meets Mr. Valve and makes a big impression.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Do you know what happens when a t/b snaps?

Fast moving bits of metal that usually move up and down in a very organised and highly orchestrated manner try to make a break for freedom, and smash into each other. Mr. Piston meets Mr. Valve and makes a big impression.

yes it works the kind of damage and thats always the case, unless he/she one of the lucky person who does not try to force start the engine anymore if irregularities are felt then chance of repair, but if it snaps while moving then thats goodbye engine. For sure most of the valves are bent and if it breaks into pieces falls inside cylinder damaging piston and cylinder.

OP did the main dealer change your timing belt?

derry

Many ford cars are non interference engines so timing belt snapping will not wreck the engine .There is lists which tell you which Fords are interference and get wrecked and which are non interference.If this engine is no interference type then maybe the repair garage is just assuming the engine is wrecked when in fact new timing belt fitted and and away you again. I know this as so many garages would tell me your way past timing belt replacement date (and i was not ) and give me big bull ****e story and then i would shut them up quickly well my engine is non interference type so when belt snaps i will buy new belt then . They hated that .

Derry

Anan1

OnlyWayIsUp wrote: »

Have 186km on clock.

Timing Belt was changed this time last year with 118km on clock.

Ford would hardly cover work done by another garage would they?

No, but the garage who changed the belt should.

dgt

There is a timing belt thread, OP search it to see what can happen if the belt breaks and how much it can cost to sort

George Dalton

derry wrote: »

Many ford cars are non interference engines so timing belt snapping will not wreck the engine .There is lists which tell you which Fords are interference and get wrecked and which are non interference.If this engine is no interference type then maybe the repair garage is just assuming the engine is wrecked when in fact new timing belt fitted and and away you again. I know this as so many garages would tell me your way past timing belt replacement date (and i was not ) and give me big bull ****e story and then i would shut them up quickly well my engine is non interference type so when belt snaps i will buy new belt then . They hated that .

Derry

The 1.6TDCI is an interference engine, same almost every other modern engine, Ford included.

OP, I think it is quite likely that it will be cheaper to repair your own engine rather than replace it. Finding a good secondhand 1.6TDCI engine for reasonable won't be easy.

bear1

Were the pulleys changed along with the belt? I'd be more inclined to fixing my own engine. You have no idea how the previous owner of the replacement engine treated his/her car.
I believe that for a repair of timing belt damage the engine can stay in situ? Just the head has to come off and I would imagine the big end also needs replacing?

dgt

dgt wrote: »

There is a timing belt thread, OP search it to see what can happen if the belt breaks and how much it can cost to sort

To give you an idea of what needs replacing when a belt brakes, a convenient quote from another tread:

dgt wrote: »

Not us or a car but the person who drove the Daily with this 8140.23 played timing belt roulette.... And lost.

And of course, we were left to clean up this mess. Meant we got the engine for naff all though

So what happened?

Well to start with


2 valves bent, 6 broken


Every bucket smashed, all forced up with hairline cracks


Pistons marked but thankfully not damaged


The cam itself was alright. But to get the broken valves out was a right pain in the arse. In the end it was easier to get new stems put in. Not cheap...


TLDR: don't do it. It's an expensive mess to clean up. Change the feckin belt when it needs it!!!

dantastic

No experience with the particular engine but most engines also have pulleys and other things hanging off the timing belt such as water pump. All these things should be changed with the timing belt. Most likely it was an old pulley that started getting a bit stiff. That will eat through a new belt pretty quickly.

A timing belt snapping doesn't guarantee it will be very expensive though, you can be lucky and it mightn't be that much work after all. If you are considering changing the engine anyway it would absolutely be worth taking the head off to have a look. It's not such a big job as it may seem and you might find that the engine is quite repairable.

derry

That ford engine looks repairable from what you say and the pictures especially if you replace with second hand parts .Buy a old engine and strip it for the parts (whats the full list of parts you need )

I had a golf pick up once .When I would start the engine in the morning there was fairly loud whistle sound for few minutes .It happened several days in row when i would start car in the morning or after long cool down period .I thought best to get it looked at and went to local VW expert .
The mechanic identified quickly that one of the small tensioner wheels for the timing belt had seized up .When the rubber belt was cold it would whistle .As the rubber heated and melted it would stop to whistle .He replaced the tensioner wheel with second hand one and off i went to do another 50,000K until the normal replacement time .

There are things that get the belts even before replacement times I was lucky i paid attention to engine new unexplained noises and saved it from destruction

Derry

OnlyWayIsUp

Timing Belt didn't snap but mistimed and has ruined the engine, I now need a new one.

If I get a much newer engine with much much less mileage but no turbo then would it be possible to take turbo from my engine and put it on the newer one?

It's ac1.6 TDi just in case folk are wondering!

jonathan13

OnlyWayIsUp wrote: »

Timing Belt didn't snap but mistimed and has ruined the engine, I now need a new one.

If I get a much newer engine with much much less mileage but no turbo then would it be possible to take turbo from my engine and put it on the newer one?

It's ac1.6 TDi just in case folk are wondering!

Some would say yes, best if you will get the same spec engine

Henry Ford III

You can swap over any of the engine anciliaries, but ensure they are perfect and of identical spec. before reusing any of them.

Idbatterim

check prices with scrap yards here and I just checked ebay.co.uk and it came up with a good few results... I know a mechanic who I can recommend and is dirt cheap on labour OP...

Quin_Dub

I've just been through this exact issue with a Saab 1.9 Diesel.

Water pump seized , wreaked the timing belt and tore through the engine...

All happened at ~80km/h

Cost me €1100 to get it fixed..:mad:

Thankfully I only needed to replace 1 valve , but most of the rocker arms smashed so they were all replaced along with the pulleys , head gasket and of course the offending water pump and timing belt.

Car has 200k kms on it , Belt and Water pump were replaced 30k kms ago (when I bought the car)

Following up with the garage(a former Saab dealership) I bought it from , it's not under warranty anymore , but the garage is at least willing to discuss options as the parts were all genuine and should not have failed..