How come the banks would get €11 Million immedialtely but not Dublin Bus?

jetsonx

If the banks needed an extra €11 million (or even billion) they would get it signed off almost immediately by the government because the banks are, of course, of systemic importance to the economy.

But, the only comprehensive metropolitan transport network in the capital is obviously not of systemic importance?

OU812

Have my own car, don't have my own bank (unfortunately).

DarkJager

jetsonx wrote: »

If the banks needed an extra €11 million (or even billion) they would get it signed off almost immediately by the government because the banks are, of course, of systemic importance to the economy.

But, the only comprehensive metropolitan transport network in the capital is obviously not of systemic importance?

It's not of importance to anybody outside Dublin so why should taxpayers money be pumped in to it?

Banjo String

I think it's a major misconception that "the banks are state owned"

It might be more accurate to say "the state is bank owned"

ask 'that Dublin taxi driver'.

cdebru

DarkJager wrote: »

It's not of importance to anybody outside Dublin so why should taxpayers money be pumped in to it?

Because over a third of the population of the country live there and without a transport system dublin would cease to function and the rest of the country would be down the toilet.

Celly Smunt

Dublin bus should've been fully privatised long ago.The performance of semi state bodies as well as their sense of entitlement is horrendous.

They've let it go on far too long,destroyed the sector and sadly there would be no buyers now to impliment an efficient and sensible service.

Amirani

This is so tiresome.

Talib Fiasco

Because nobody outside of Dublin really gives a f*ck about Dublin.

DarkJager

cdebru wrote: »

Because over a third of the population of the country live there and without a transport system dublin would cease to function and the rest of the country would be down the toilet.

That's a bit melodramatic, cities like Limerick, Cork or Galway aren't going to grind to a halt because Dublin bus isn't running services.

o1s1n

DarkJager wrote: »

It's not of importance to anybody outside Dublin so why should taxpayers money be pumped in to it?

So nobody from outside of Dublin commutes into the city to work then no?

That time I commuted from Wicklow to college in Dublin city centre on Dublin bus for 4 years must have been a dream so.

enricoh

how come bus drivers get paid close to 1000 a week and treble time on bank holidays? is that sustainable?

Nemeses

I'd like 11 million quid.

I swear I'll put it to good use.

Celly Smunt

enricoh wrote: »

how come bus drivers get paid close to 1000 a week and treble time on bank holidays? is that sustainable?

You're looking at the average wage in Dublin bus,not the drivers salary.Bus Drivers do not get close to 1000 a week.

homerjay2005

jetsonx wrote: »

If the banks needed an extra €11 million (or even billion) they would get it signed off almost immediately by the government because the banks are, of course, of systemic importance to the economy.

But, the only comprehensive metropolitan transport network in the capital is obviously not of systemic importance?

Dublin bus is already being heavily subsidised by the state - they received €73million in 2011 and €75.6million in 2010. despite all this money, they still lost €18million in 2011 and €22million in 2010.

the company needs to cut their loses, not keep costing the state money every year.

hatrickpatrick

Because bankers are part of the political elite's social clique and Dublin Bus are not, simple as.

enricoh

celly, do you support the bus drivers striking because treble time on bank holidays is being reduced? time n a half , double maybe but treble pay is a joke that no company can afford.

Jester252

Good to see the Dublin bus worker using their time off to post on boards.

Celly Smunt

enricoh wrote: »

celly, do you support the bus drivers striking because treble time on bank holidays is being reduced? time n a half , double maybe but treble pay is a joke that no company can afford.

I support the drivers to an extent,but not the process and means of their strike.Not collecting fares would've been much better practice.

I don't support what they're striking for,although I do support the unity they express.

Markcheese

Didn't CIE get a bail out last year ?? Personally I think the bus owning/operating/maintenance part of Dublin bus /cie should be privatised ... (farmed out to small /medium operators )

Markcheese

Celly Smunt wrote: »

I support the drivers to an extent,but not the process and means of their strike.Not collecting fares would've been much better

Would that have been illegal (leaving a lot of drivers open to prosecution ) at least striking is legal ... Could they have refused overtime , substitution (work to rule )

L.Jenkins

jetsonx wrote: »

If the banks needed an extra €11 million (or even billion) they would get it signed off almost immediately by the government because the banks are, of course, of systemic importance to the economy.

But, the only comprehensive metropolitan transport network in the capital is obviously not of systemic importance?

They don't get the support needed as a company that provides a service to the public, because fúck the small man. That's why!

tin79

TheComeUp wrote: »

Because nobody outside of Dublin really gives a f*ck about Dublin.

Jaysus, will you culchites get that bloody chip off your shoulder.

Every thread about anything related to Dublin has to be spattered with these comments.

Grow up will you.

Talib Fiasco

tin79 wrote: »

Jaysus, will you culchites get that bloody chip off your shoulder.

Every thread about anything related to Dublin has to be spattered with these comments.

Grow up will you.

You're just mad because Dublin is a smelly and dirty sh*thole with disastrous public transport facilities while in the rest of Ireland people are having a grand laugh on their horses and tractors with no traffic problems while engulfing the scenic views and fresh air.

Join us if you dare to be cleansed of eternal smelliness!

Franticfrank

Dublin shouldn't be relying on buses in the first place. They should have gotten the Soviets to install a dirt cheap metro system back in the 70s.

homerjay2005

Itzy wrote: »

They don't get the support needed as a company that provides a service to the public, because fúck the small man. That's why!

see my post above. the company already gets alot of money off the state.

Lapin

Whats with all the DB threads on AH.

Aren't there Dublin forums ?

tin79

TheComeUp wrote: »

You're just mad because Dublin is a smelly and dirty sh*thole with disastrous public transport facilities while in the rest of Ireland people are having a grand laugh on their horses and tractors with no traffic problems while engulfing the scenic views and fresh air.

Join us if you dare to be cleansed of eternal smelliness!

I am not from Dublin. I am just not a bitter bog sniffer either.

MadsL

TheComeUp wrote: »

You're just mad because Dublin is a smelly and dirty sh*thole with disastrous public transport facilities while in the rest of Ireland people are having a grand laugh on their horses and tractors with no traffic problems while engulfing the scenic views and fresh air.

Join us if you dare to be cleansed of eternal smelliness!

Fuck your Dublin Bus, I've a horse outside!

Mint Sauce

DB needs to be privatised. Its currently a noose on the governments neck, its staff are being screwed by cuts, and passengers are being screwed by cuts in services and increases in fares.

Privatisation would bring in much needed funds to the government, and bring in competition and end the current monopoly. If done right, there would be increased routes, hopefully a clearer fare structure, a safer and more pleasurable journey, extended hours and more frequent service, better intergration and ticketing system with commuter rail, Dart, and Luas. All because companies would be competing for routes, rather than the current monoply fcuking up all of them.

Only downside would be the government would squander and mis spend their new found fortune.

Talib Fiasco

MadsL wrote: »

Fuck your Dublin Bus, I've a horse outside!

I wish I had a horse. All I have is a Civic

MadsL

TheComeUp wrote: »

I wish I had a horse. All I have is a Civic

You know what you can do with your Honda Civic, and your Subaru!

cdebru

enricoh wrote: »

celly, do you support the bus drivers striking because treble time on bank holidays is being reduced? time n a half , double maybe but treble pay is a joke that no company can afford.

Bank holiday is a days pay if you don't work so it is only 2 days pay for working, personally I am happy to sit at home with my family and have my days pay like everyone else.
But if people want buses on Stephens Day, New Years day, Easter Monday etc etc then those people should be paid properly for leaving their families to go to work.

deisedevil

cdebru wrote: »

Bank holiday is a days pay if you don't work so it is only 2 days pay for working, personally I am happy to sit at home with my family and have my days pay like everyone else.
But if people want buses on Stephens Day, New Years day, Easter Monday etc etc then those people should be paid properly for leaving their families to go to work.

Most companies only pay double time at most for a bank holiday or public holiday. That's all I ever got. Seems about right to me.

namloc1980

cdebru wrote: »

But if people want buses on Stephens Day, New Years day, Easter Monday etc etc then those people should be paid properly for leaving their families to go to work.

Nobody forced them to become bus drivers. They knew that buses operate 364 days a year when they took on the job.

carzony

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nobody forced them to become bus drivers. They knew that buses operate 364 days a year when they took on the job.

My neighbour is a bus driver and by the way he goes on you'd swear it's hard work that they do. Everyone seems to think that these people are specially skilled in some way.

Train a few youngsters and **** them out :D

cdebru

deisedevil wrote: »

Most companies only pay double time at most for a bank holiday or public holiday. That's all I ever got. Seems about right to me.

it is double time, that is what most companies pay.

cdebru

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nobody forced them to become bus drivers. They knew that buses operate 364 days a year when they took on the job.

Yeah and they knew what way they were paid.

RoyalMarine

tin79 wrote: »

Jaysus, will you culchites get that bloody chip off your shoulder.

Every thread about anything related to Dublin has to be spattered with these comments.

Grow up will yous.

fyp...

dodderangler

Are dublin bus back runnin today

NuckingFacker

dodderangler wrote: »

Are dublin bus back ruining today

dunno. probably. (CIE Bus inspector version of the answer)

Pumpkinseeds

No offence intended OP, but ffs people really need to get over the bank bailout comparisons. I'm sick to death of people pointing out that in their opinion x y or z should get money 'because the banks did'. Frankly, I think Dublin bus drivers are a bunch of greedy gits who couldn't give a flying frig about the inconvenience they've caused and it's probably only a matter of time before they pull the same stunt again.

If they aren't happy they need to p*ss or get off the pot. Stay or look for another job but holding the public to ransom is a bloody disgrace.

Ray Palmer

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Dublin bus is already being heavily subsidised by the state - they received €73million in 2011 and €75.6million in 2010. despite all this money, they still lost €18million in 2011 and €22million in 2010.

the company needs to cut their loses, not keep costing the state money every year.

This is actually quite common for public transport in cities. New York subsidises the Subway, Paris the Metro. The reason is if they didn't have transport the cities would stop working and cost more to allow for private individual transport.

While people like to think it only effects Dublin a huge part of imports and exports come through Dublin too. The other cities would be effected by Dublin's problems within a few weeks.

cdebru

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Dublin bus is already being heavily subsidised by the state - they received €73million in 2011 and €75.6million in 2010. despite all this money, they still lost €18million in 2011 and €22million in 2010.

the company needs to cut their loses, not keep costing the state money every year.

No problem run it as a completely commercial company, let them operate where and when it is profitable to do so, let them decide their fare structure, and decide if they want to be part of any free travel scheme or negotiate one not have one imposed on it.

Routes are soon going to be tendered out to private operators they will still get a subvention.

cdebru

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

No offence intended OP, but ffs people really need to get over the bank bailout comparisons. I'm sick to death of people pointing out that in their opinion x y or z should get money 'because the banks did'. Frankly, I think Dublin bus drivers are a bunch of greedy gits who couldn't give a flying frig about the inconvenience they've caused and it's probably only a matter of time before they pull the same stunt again.

If they aren't happy they need to p*ss or get off the pot. Stay or look for another job but holding the public to ransom is a bloody disgrace.

People who are only looking out for themselves and don't give a **** about anyone else as long as they are unaffected could be described as "greedy gits" take a look in the mirror to see what one looks like ;-)

jman0war

Ray Palmer wrote: »

This is actually quite common for public transport in cities. New York subsidises the Subway, Paris the Metro. The reason is if they didn't have transport the cities would stop working and cost more to allow for private individual transport.

But Dublin isn't nearly like New York or Paris.
Not in population nor in population density.

Dublin is more like a small city in the US.

Ray Palmer

jman0war wrote: »

But Dublin isn't nearly like New York or Paris.
Not in population nor in population density.

Dublin is more like a small city in the US.

It is the capital of the country. The rest of the country rely on it to generate income. Fuel is much more expensive than the US and I pretty sure France too. Name a small US city with a public transport system that isn't subsidised.

I just used cities that people could understand. It is pretty standard for public transport to be subsidised. In saying that it could be privatised if done right. The problem is if those companies failed the government would still have to provide public transport.

Capt'n Midnight

Property developers owe local authorities over €750m in levies

ComReg reveals 4G auction results - €450m instant windfall for Irish Govt



Over 1.5 million people have €50 or less left over at the end of the month after their essential bills have been paid, according to a survey.

Pumpkinseeds

cdebru wrote: »

People who are only looking out for themselves and don't give a **** about anyone else as long as they are unaffected could be described as "greedy gits" take a look in the mirror to see what one looks like ;-)

Very grown up argument there cdebru:)

dxhound2005

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Property developers owe local authorities over €750m in levies

In response to the figures, a Fingal County Council spokesman said they overstate the true extent of the development levy arrears problem.

Director of Services Gilbert Power said that the actual amount of arrears owed to Fingal County Council is €6m, considerably less than the €131m contained in the department's figures.


ComReg reveals 4G auction results - €450m instant windfall for Irish Govt



Over 1.5 million people have €50 or less left over at the end of the month after their essential bills have been paid, according to a survey.

But the same people tell us that we spend an average of €527 at Christmas and 83% of that is financed from income and savings. How do those figure add up?

http://www.creditunion.ie/communications/news/2012/title,7038,en.php

Capt'n Midnight

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But the same people tell us that we spend an average of €527 at Christmas and 83% of that is financed from income and savings. How do those figure add up?

http://www.creditunion.ie/communications/news/2012/title,7038,en.php

If you save €50 a month for 12 months ?

The reason those figures add up is that a lot of people are still managing. The difference is that the number of people who can't tighten their belts much further has increased a lot.

If you've only €50 at the end of the month taxi's are not an option.

€11 is a fraction of what was spent on the LUAS or the M50 bridge or Port Tunnel , it's a fraction of monies outstanding or windfalls


Wasn't there a property developer dude who got off €40m last week over something ?


And does anyone know the economic cost of the bus strike to businesses in Dublin , and from that seeing as how the government takes a 20-30% cut of GDP or whatever , how much money did the government loose in the strike ???