What percentage of Genomic proofed bulls?

freedominacup

What percentage of genomically proven bulls did you use in the breeding season gone past?

I only ask this because the sister is home for a while and we were talking last night. She was saying that the UK recommendation is for no more than 15% overall of genomic sires in any year and she would be in agreement with that figure. There not actual proofs and there will be a certain percentage of fails.

p.s. the sister has a phd in this subject, did part of her training where they made dolly the sheep so she has a reasonable idea about it but she's not selling anything.

jaymla627

freedominacup wrote: »

What percentage of genomically proven bulls did you use in the breeding season gone past?

I only ask this because the sister is home for a while and we were talking last night. She was saying that the UK recommendation is for no more than 15% overall of genomic sires in any year and she would be in agreement with that figure. There not actual proofs and there will be a certain percentage of fails.

None therez a serious selection of well proven bulls out there through the likes of abs/eurogene without having to go genomic

Timmaay

All of the ones I used on the cows aren't proven, only proven ones I used were the easy calving ones on the heifers that I put to a dairybreed (mostly the bigger ones, narrow ones still got an easy AA). 2 of the bulls I used have gone down in EBI between the last two tests, one was ABO, dropped from 296 to 279, the other LHZ, 288 to 266. Still puts them ahead of most proven bulls.

jaymla627

Timmaay wrote: »

All of the ones I used on the cows aren't proven, only proven ones I used were the easy calving ones on the heifers that I put to a dairybreed (mostly the bigger ones, narrow ones still got an easy AA). 2 of the bulls I used have gone down in EBI between the last two tests, one was ABO, dropped from 296 to 279, the other LHZ, 288 to 266. Still puts them ahead of most proven bulls.

The true picture on any bulls preformance can only realistically be seen when a few hundred of his daughters have being proofed lhz only has 6 daughters proofed its why to early to be making any assumptions about how good/bad he is

Going forward...

So, your sister feels the AI industry is doing a disservice to Irish farmers? You can see why they would want to push it, must be so much cheaper than the old way of progeny testing and waiting for years to see whether they're worth anything. This way is great, effectively test bulls topping the billing and charging full whack as a result.

freedominacup

Going forward... wrote: »

So, your sister feels the AI industry is doing a disservice to Irish farmers? You can see why they would want to push it, must be so much cheaper than the old way of progeny testing and waiting for years to see whether they're worth anything. This way is great, effectively test bulls topping the billing and charging full whack as a result.

I dunno if she'd go as far as your first sentence but there's no way in her opinion they are ever going back to the old testing system, to hit and miss and therefore too expensive. Reliability is much higher this way but genomically proven bulls are test bulls, much more reliable test bulls than in the past but still test bulls.

loveta

Zero%.
Why spend money on unproven stock when ya can get 90% plus REL for feck all more money and for less for some of the older bulls, as the old saying goes "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

RobertKK

I use all genomic bulls. I try and go for the highest EBI bulls available and use a range of them.
On the milk co-op ICBF report, it said the average EBI of the bulls used was €297.
I don't have a big herd and I feel I can see how all this turns out.

The bulls have good breeding, I could go out and buy a dairy bull to get the cows and heifers in calf but it would likely be not as good as what I used on the cows and heifers.
Plus a lot of the bulls come from bulls that are proven, and I doubt the mother's side is of poor breeding to make it all the way into AI.

Going forward...

In actual fact, genomics should see an increase in stock bulls being used. Same test available so it should give farmers confidence and remove that particular risk of using stock bulls. It seems any old riff raff can make it into AI catalogs today, plenty of great herds around with cows well capable of making a good stock bull.

freedominacup

Going forward... wrote: »

In actual fact, genomics should see an increase in stock bulls being used. Same test available so it should give farmers confidence and remove that particular risk of using stock bulls. It seems any old riff raff can make it into AI catalogs today, plenty of great herds around with cows well capable of making a good stock bull.

The test is around 200 quid plus the vet call out to take blood sample.

poor farmer

RobertKK wrote: »

I use all genomic bulls. I try and go for the highest EBI bulls available and use a range of them.
On the milk co-op ICBF report, it said the average EBI of the bulls used was €297.
I don't have a big herd and I feel I can see how all this turns out.

The bulls have good breeding, I could go out and buy a dairy bull to get the cows and heifers in calf but it would likely be not as good as what I used on the cows and heifers.
Plus a lot of the bulls come from bulls that are proven, and I doubt the mother's side is of poor breeding to make it all the way into AI.

same here ,I pick 5 or 6 off the top of the list .
The average EBI will still stay high .

blackdog1

Never use genomic sires..simple reason its just a smart way to get you to pay €20 for a test bull. Plenty good proven sires out there

Milked out

freedominacup wrote: »

The test is around 200 quid plus the vet call out to take blood sample.

I thought that could be done with a hair sample for 50 quid, That's what they did with a calf Dovea were looking at here anyways? or is there more than that needed. Agreed that the prices charged for genomic straws are way too much, it's more of a sales drive than anything else, there's f-all of em lasting more than a few years so hard to tell if they'll match their paper billing