Hypocrisy and religions. Your pet peeves.

Liamario

I find it quite nonsensical, when I see Muslim girls wearing hijabs while also wearing make-up. People can justify anything to themselves when they want to.

What are your pet peeves?

OCorcrainn

Poor spelling.

Liamario

OCorcrainn wrote: »

Poor spelling.

You've just ruined my day. Can a mod please correct that spelling. I feel ill knowing I spelled that wrong ;-(

doctoremma

Liamario wrote: »

when I see Muslim girls wearing hijabs while also wearing make-up

Same. Although more interested than peeved by it.

I often find the arbitrary judgements about which medical decisions should be left to God and which should be left to medics baffling. We cannot end a life by non-God methods but we must preserve life against all of God's efforts to see it off....

lazygal

That some bits of the bible can't be taken literally while others can. That despite Jesus saying nothing about the gays or abortion Christians use the bible to oppose both. That faith can be so delicate it needs civil laws like blasphemy to protect it. That most Irish people do the Catholic thing and can't understand why you wouldn't just be a godparent, read a prayer or kneel if you're not a believer.

endacl

That Hinduism isn't real. That's the one I'd pick. Monkey god? Elephant head god? What's not to like?



Oh....... the caste system......

:mad:

legspin

I don't have peeves when it come to religion.
I have full-blown rage attacks at every single bit of every single one of them.

doctoremma

endacl wrote: »

Oh....... the caste system......

:mad:

Cannot believe this still happens. I am a scientist, I like categorising order as much as the next man, but still...

Bad to crack a joke about it?

endacl

doctoremma wrote: »

Cannot believe this still happens. I am a scientist, I like categorising order as much as the next man, but still...

Bad to crack a joke about it?

Ah, sure if we can't crack the odd joke here an there...

wretcheddomain

The Jews who go around pontificating how they have a working finely-calibrated moral compass simply because they're Jews...

...and then proceed to chop off the end of a child's dick without the child's informed consent.

Sulla Felix

I always say, better to laugh, especially at things that you might otherwise cry for.

Anyway, my biggest pet peeve is that seemingly, even the very religious just pick and choose amongst what they want to listen to/act upon.

I've a new favorite quote for dealing with militant Christians.

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others.

Brian Shanahan

wretcheddomain wrote: »

The Jews who go around pontificating how they have a working finely-calibrated moral compass simply because they're Jews...

Or the Jews who constantly harp on about how uniquely evil the Holocaust was, and turn around and show the exact same attitudes shown to them by Nazis to the Palestinians, simply because they are Muslims living on land they covet.

And to be balanced:
Or the catholics who go in high do about abortions killing "unborn babies", despite 150 years ago catholic theology had no problems with abortions up to 40 days (or even longer).

Or the calvinist idea of predestination, which allows any kind of evil be committed by a preselected group who automatically get into heaven. They try to deny this fact, but they cannot actually refute it when put to them.

Or the Muslim degredation and dehumanisation of women, despite the fact that a) most of it is forbade by their holy book (e.g. you're not allowed to kill a woman for adultery according to the Qu'ran, yet Sharia will insist on it in most Muslim countries), and b) the stuff allowed in the Qu'ran was most probably not part of Mohammed's original plan, as it was written in by converts from Christianity, Zoroastrianism or Judaism.

Or that New Age "spirituality"... well in fact I hate everything about the ideologies of that stinking mountain of bat guano. Most of the people are lovely, but the stuff they follow is pretty vile in the stultifying deadening of the human inqisitiveness and curiosity about the world.

Akrasia

Pet Peeves:

1. The silly costumes. They're just silly

2. The bling, why would god be impressed by shiny things anyway?

3. The fact that religious attitudes contaminate all attempts at rational discourse on any issues of equality or ethics

doctoremma

Liamario wrote: »

You've just ruined my day. Can a mod please correct that spelling. I feel ill knowing I spelled that wrong ;-(

Can the mods also address the you're/your issue....For everyone's sanity but mostly the OP's

kylith

That they say gay marriage will undermine 'traditional' marriage, despite the fact that 'traditional' marriage was undermined the second it was ruled that you can't force your daughter to marry against her will like God says you can.

krudler

Akrasia wrote: »

Pet Peeves:

1. The silly costumes. They're just silly

2. The bling, why would god be impressed by shiny things anyway?

3. The fact that religious attitudes contaminate all attempts at rational discourse on any issues of equality or ethics

That one makes me laugh, Jesus was all about keeping things simple, his worshippers leaders live in a palatial art museum and the boss sits on a throne with a gold sceptre, all Skeletor and sh1t.

Dave!

Dunno if it qualifies as a pet peeve, but I often feel slightly sick to my stomach when I see a woman wearing a full hijab. It's such a blatant reminder of the disgusting misogyny & patriarchy of Islamic traditions.

Maybe I'm just a nasty racist for not respecting their rich and noble culture.

robindch

Liamario wrote: »

Can a mod please correct that spelling. I feel ill knowing I spelled that wrong ;-(

Fixed.

For any nascent or well-roasted grammar fetishists, especially those who choose to live out part of their brief lives on facebook, the following page is a must-like:

https://www.facebook.com/grammarly

Back to pet peeves now, boy's and girls'!

krudler

Dave! wrote: »

Dunno if it qualifies as a pet peeve, but I often feel slightly sick to my stomach when I see a woman wearing a full hijab. It's such a blatant reminder of the disgusting misogyny & patriarchy of Islamic traditions.

Maybe I'm just a nasty racist for not respecting their rich and noble culture.

It's for their own good though, everyone knows the sight of an ankle or elbow sends men into a frenzy, those scheming harlots need to be kept in check for the greater good.

badspealler

Seeing "Warning, may contain nuts" on the back of a packet of Dry Roasted... Wait, sorry, that's not relevant to the OP, so...

Keeping with the OP, I think my pet peeve is this:

Listening to some brainless commentator proclaiming the "miracle" of seeing one man rescued after spending 4 days floating around the pacific ocean on the roof of his house after the Tsunami that wiped out his entire village... Did they *really* say the "m" word???

That crap really pi55es me off

FouxDaFaFa

When something terrible happens that people feel the need to comment on on social media, usually the death of children.

Always, ALWAYS, someone will refer to them as "little angles".

Turtwig

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

When something terrible happens that people feel the need to comment on on social media, usually the death of children.

Always, ALWAYS, someone will refer to them as "little angles".

That's a bit obtuse of them.

HurtLocker

Catholic Hospital Argues Fetuses Are Not People In Malpractice Suit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/catholic-hospital-argues-_n_2534383.html
Pretty much sums up hypocrisy in Catholicism

Sarky

The whole "atheists are arrogant" spiel is always stunning. As if believing a 9 billion light year wide universe was created just for us and the creator's secrets to eternal life lie in the stories of a small bunch of psychotic 2,000 year old goat-botherers who thought cutting your foreskin off was part of the Plan is somehow humble.

Turtwig

Sarky wrote: »

As if believing a 9 billion light year wide universe

It's probably greater than 90 billion light years.

claypigeon777

The idea that one person can die for the sins of humanity is ridiculous and quite monstrous.
Jesus died as a sacrifice to whom exactly? He was God so why does he have to sacrifice himself to himself?
Why does not God fold his arms over the previous millenniums while humanity is busy warring and killing and raping and torturing?
Surely since God knows all he would have known in advance that Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit?
Surely since God controls everything then there could not be free will so humanity could not actually be responsible for their actions?
God therefore sends sinners to hell for simply doing what God made them to do because nothing can happen unless God wills it?
If God as envisioned by Judeo-Christian religions really exists he is a sadistic monster.

Sarky

Jernal wrote: »

It's probably greater than 90 billion light years.

Bah, on my phone, missed a zero.

krudler

claypigeon777 wrote: »

The idea that one person can die for the sins of humanity is ridiculous and quite monstrous.
Jesus died as a sacrifice to whom exactly? He was God so why does he have to sacrifice himself to himself?
Why does not God fold his arms over the previous millenniums while humanity is busy warring and killing and raping and torturing?
Surely since God knows all he would have known in advance that Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit?
Surely since God controls everything then there could not be free will so humanity could not actually be responsible for their actions?
God therefore sends sinners to hell for simply doing what God made them to do because nothing can happen unless God wills it?
If God as envisioned by Judeo-Christian religions really exists he is a sadistic monster.

Christianity is a self contradicting belief system, if god knew eve was going to eat the apple then its not free will, if he didnt then he's not omnipotent. if he sent himself to die for the sins he infused us with to save us from himself then that's just egotistical nonsense. "You can do what you want, but I already know what that is and you'll be punished accordingly because I always wanted it that way". Once you realise there's no supernatural lunatic supervising your every move in life it's a real weight off.

Sarky

This looks like the appropriate thread.

On my way into the city center for a tasty pastry treat, I passed a group looking for people to sign a banner in support of Magdalene laundry victims. Not 5 yards from them was some guy in a suit hawking copies of Alive! like it was the Big Issue.

He scampered before I could get my camera out, but his presence was just the thing to tip me towards heading back to the protest group and signing the sh*t out of that banner.

krudler

Sarky wrote: »

This looks like the appropriate thread.

On my way into the city center for a tasty pastry treat, I passed a group looking for people to sign a banner in support of Magdalene laundry victims. Not 5 yards from them was some guy in a suit hawking copies of Alive! like it was the Big Issue.

He scampered before I could get my camera out, but his presence was just the thing to tip me towards heading back to the protest group and signing the sh*t out of that banner.

It's the Youth Defence effect, the more noise they make and horrible stuff they do the more people they drive to being rational, long may they continue their batsh1t crazy schemes :pac:

Sarky

I have a new favourite:

When anyone criticises the catholic church for its disgusting child abuse scandals and its even worse attempts to cover them up, catholics will tell me that the church is its PEOPLE, not a couple of crusty old bishops. Things tend to go thus:

"But if the church was its people, they'd be able to change it, surely?"

"No, those crusty old bishops won't let us!"

"But I thought the church was its people?"

"It is!"

"But the people are unable to change the church, even though they ARE the church..."

"SHUT UP! YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME!"

PopePalpatine

That sounds a lot like a thread in t'udder forum.

Sarky

Really? Haven't looked over yonder in a while. There must be a rote response i these situations...

Geomy

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

Sarky wrote: »

Really? Haven't looked over yonder in a while. There must be a rote response i these situations...

Lol since Zombrex left it's been quiet enough over there. ...ahhhh go on go on go on

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=/

recourse

Liamario wrote: »

I find it quite nonsensical, when I see Muslim girls wearing hijabs while also wearing make-up. People can justify anything to themselves when they want to.

What are your pet peeves?

So when x store sells of the the Dress that Kate Middleton happened to be wearing nobody says anything. Some people dress because of Religious principals, others because of Fashion trend, others because of pier pressure.

There was a documentary some years ago about a girl who had a rare allergy to sunlight, She got around it by wearing the Burka and glasses.. Now this is extreme and rare, but it worked for she so she go go out in daylight.

So don't rush to judge how a person dresses,... Religion is not always the reason for certain religious dress codes.

Sarky

Geomy wrote: »

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

Lol since Zombrex left it's been quiet enough over there. ...ahhhh go on go on go on

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

No. They don't like my kind over there.

Animord

krudler wrote: »

Christianity is a self contradicting belief system, if god knew eve was going to eat the apple then its not free will, if he didnt then he's not omnipotent. if he sent himself to die for the sins he infused us with to save us from himself then that's just egotistical nonsense. "You can do what you want, but I already know what that is and you'll be punished accordingly because I always wanted it that way". Once you realise there's no supernatural lunatic supervising your every move in life it's a real weight off.

You forgot the bit about after God died he decreed that we had to eat him for breakfast, on an empty stomach, every Sunday morning for eternity.

That's my favourite bit.

Liamario

recourse wrote: »

So when x store sells of the the Dress that Kate Middleton happened to be wearing nobody says anything. Some people dress because of Religious principals, others because of Fashion trend, others because of pier pressure.

There was a documentary some years ago about a girl who had a rare allergy to sunlight, She got around it by wearing the Burka and glasses.. Now this is extreme and rare, but it worked for she so she go go out in daylight.

So don't rush to judge how a person dresses,... Religion is not always the reason for certain religious dress codes.

In future I shall reserve all judgement on religious costumes, just in case that the several people I see wearing a silly costume have a rare disease that requires them to wear it.
/sarcasm

Aoifums

Animord wrote: »

You forgot the bit about after God died he decreed that we had to eat him for breakfast, on an empty stomach, every Sunday morning for eternity.

That's my favourite bit.

Really? In my five or so years of receiving communion, I'm pretty sure I had always eaten breakfast before. Even when my granny brought me and she's stickler for the older traditions.

TheChizler

Aoifums wrote: »

Really? In my five or so years of receiving communion, I'm pretty sure I had always eaten breakfast before. Even when my granny brought me and she's stickler for the older traditions.

My mum used to get it mixed up with swimming and we couldn't eat for an hour before mass.

ravendude

What I'm going to call "new christians" (if they can refer to "new atheists" i can call them "new christians"?). ie. "the bible is a mans converstation with God" crowd and is all about interpretation.

These are the types that were on VB a few weeks back.

These guys while not quite as bad as fundamentalists are even more dishonest IMO. They can't be delusional as they seem smart enough to me that the glaring ludicrous obscenity of what they are saying should be obvious to them, so they must be dishonest and simply trying to concoct ways to rationalize the irrational:

• The bible is "man's conversation with God" - it was never intended as such, - it was intended as infallible truth.
• "Its allegorical", - can someone please explain what is symbolized by the direct quotes from the mouth of God allowing his chosen people to murder and rape their enemies?
• What is the standard and formula for cherry picking out the vile morality from the OK morality, and what is allegory and not?
• "The bible has meant so much to so many people for so long it must contain the truth amid the allegory and contradictions" etc. - well the sun revolving around the earth "meant so much to so many people for so long" too but they were wrong about that weren't they ?

kylith

Aoifums wrote: »

Really? In my five or so years of receiving communion, I'm pretty sure I had always eaten breakfast before. Even when my granny brought me and she's stickler for the older traditions.

TheChizler wrote: »

My mum used to get it mixed up with swimming and we couldn't eat for an hour before mass.

TheChizler's right; you have to fast for an hour before communion. I used to be dragged out of bed at 9am on Sundays so breakfast would be sufficiently digested as to make my stomach acceptable to Jesus.

FouxDaFaFa

Mum used to make us do the 1hr fast thing too.

Trouble is, I'd sleep in and not have time to eat at all.

My fainting in the church put an end to that little tradition.

TheChizler

kylith wrote: »

TheChizler's right; you have to fast for an hour before communion. I used to be dragged out of bed at 9am on Sundays so breakfast would be sufficiently digested as to make my stomach acceptable to Jesus.

Oh dear, I just looked it up. I better stop mocking her about it...

kylith

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Mum used to make us do the 1hr fast thing too.

Trouble is, I'd sleep in and not have time to eat at all.

My fainting in the church put an end to that little tradition.

I'd just get pulled out of bed extra early to eat because I was in the choir and had to get there early.

For hypocrisy, an old one but a good one ... that whole Leviticus tattoo fail



I also enjoyed reading about how the bishops of the enormously wealthy, tax-exempt church think everyone else is "morally obliged" to pay taxes ... that peeved me.

http://www.thejournal.ie/catholic-bishops-urge-g8-leaders-to-clamp-down-on-tax-avoidance-940339-Jun2013/

YumCha

I have lots, but my main ones are:

- Failing to acknowledge that societal/cultural norms have a much bigger influence than anything divine:
To this effect, here are some of the things that suddenly went from being 'sinful' to okay over the 20+ odd years I was in church: Women wearing pants, women preaching, divorce, dancing, 'rock' music... list is endless

- How Christians believe the Bible is the Word of God, but probably put more thorough study into school literature books - the amount of Christians who don't know of or practice exegesis, or even own an Ancient Greek/English dictionary is pretty astounding... (I suspect the whole personal revelation trumps all thing has had a lot to do with this, but don't get me started on that!).

smacl

J C wrote: »

However, I know that Judeo-Christian morality is correct ... and is superior to the attempts of mankind to replace it with fallible laws that are inevitably full of loopholes and vary arbitrarily with time and place.

This. The notion that any given religion is morally superior to any other philosophical tradition stinks to high heaven. My pet peeve; zealots that believe they're better people than I am for no other reason that they believe something I don't. How can any morality, philosophy or system of ethics claim to be correct when it openly espouses intolerance in the beliefs held by others?

Sarky

Oh that J C, he's such a card.