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Uk car tax

  • 29-07-2013 10:53am
    #1
    jjj12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭


    Sorry if this is in the wrong section
    I need to use a uk reg motor today around dublin. The tax is out on it a while . Can you be done here for this ?


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  • #2
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    jjj12 wrote: »
    Sorry if this is in the wrong section
    I need to use a uk reg motor today around dublin. The tax is out on it a while . Can you be done here for this ?
    Are you an ROI resident? If so then then you can't legally drive the car at all.


  • #3
    jjj12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭jjj12


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Are you an ROI resident? If so then then you can't legally drive the car at all.

    I've worked over in the uk a bit . It's a company motor


  • #4
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    jjj12 wrote: »
    I've worked over in the uk a bit . It's a company motor
    If you get pulled and are unable to prove that you are currently resident in the UK then they'll probably take the car on the spot.


  • #5
    jjj12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭jjj12


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If you get pulled and are unable to prove that you are currently resident in the UK then they'll probably take the car on the spot.

    Ok cheers


  • #6
    DuckSlice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If you get pulled and are unable to prove that you are currently resident in the UK then they'll probably take the car on the spot.

    What would you need to prove your a uk resident?


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  • #7
    00833827
    Closed Accounts Posts: 405 ✭✭00833827


    recent utility bills, bank statements, that sort of thing i guess


  • #8
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    etxp wrote: »
    What would you need to prove your a uk resident?
    If you're a Brit, just a passport I presume.
    If you're Irish, probably the car paperwork and other docs showing you have an address in UK.

    Just guesses on my part.


  • #9
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Are you an ROI resident? If so then then you can't legally drive the car at all.

    To be honest it's not that straight forward.

    There's plenty of exceptions for resident to drive foreign car in Ireland.
    F.e. driving a car rented abroad.
    Driving a company car which belongs to company that person works for.
    Driving a car after purchasing before VRT paperwork is arranged.

    etc...


  • #10
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    00833827 wrote: »
    recent utility bills, bank statements, that sort of thing i guess

    How does that prove residency?
    I have utility bills and bank statements from Poland, but I live here in Ireland for many years.
    You say that if I showed them on the side of the road, they would believe I'm resident in Poland?


  • #11
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    CiniO wrote: »
    Driving a company car which belongs to company that person works for.
    Is this an exception? Because this is what the OP wants to do.


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  • #12
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    jjj12 wrote: »
    I've worked over in the uk a bit . It's a company motor

    Do you still work for that company which owns the car?
    If so you might be OK to drive it here.


  • #13
    DuckSlice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    I have a uk car, uk insurance, tax, and uk license. I moved back from uk just after Xmas as work was quiet and hoping to get work here. I still have uk address. An I ok to be driving the car here?


  • #14
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    etxp wrote: »
    I have a uk car, uk insurance, tax, and uk license. I moved back from uk just after Xmas as work was quiet and hoping to get work here. I still have uk address. An I ok to be driving the car here?
    If you've been here since the start of the year then you're a resident for 2013.


  • #15
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Is this an exception? Because this is what the OP wants to do.


    There is an exception, but unfortunately it doesn't look like it's that simple as just hop on and drive. He might need to notify revenue first unless I'm mistaken.
    A State resident can not normally drive a foreign registered vehicle for business use. However, there are a number of exceptional circumstances in which this rule does not apply. Those exceptional circumstances are:-

    A State resident who is employed by an employer established in another Member State may, on application to the Revenue Commissioners, be approved to use a Category A vehicle or a motor-cycle registered in another Member State (either owned or leased by the employer) for business/private use in the State provided
    the vehicle is provided as part of the contract of the employment, and
    it is used principally for business use outside the State.
    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/temporary-exemption-foreign-registered.html


  • #16
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    00833827 wrote: »
    recent utility bills, bank statements, that sort of thing i guess
    CiniO wrote: »
    How does that prove residency?
    I have utility bills and bank statements from Poland, but I live here in Ireland for many years.
    You say that if I showed them on the side of the road, they would believe I'm resident in Poland?

    As 00833827 said, if they're recent (a couple months max) then you'd probably get away with it (as long as car has all Polish badges etc).
    But that's not even on the map, Polish driving Polish cars in Ireland is probably not a major headache for Customs whereas Irish people driving UK cars is.


  • #17
    00833827
    Closed Accounts Posts: 405 ✭✭00833827


    CiniO wrote: »
    How does that prove residency?
    I have utility bills and bank statements from Poland, but I live here in Ireland for many years.
    You say that if I showed them on the side of the road, they would believe I'm resident in Poland?

    yes that would satisfy them, once they are recent (last few months). If you planning to stay 12 months + in this state, you will need to get the car re-registered on Irish plates. Think thats how it works.


  • #18
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    biko wrote: »
    As 00833827 said, if they're recent (a couple months max) then you'd probably get away with it (as long as car has all Polish badges etc).
    But that's not even on the map, Polish driving Polish cars in Ireland is probably not a major headache for Customs whereas Irish people driving UK cars is.

    Heh if it wasn't on the map, then you would see plenty of Polish registered cars around.
    Fact they you don't see that many, is because probably customs are doing their job properly :)


  • #19
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    00833827 wrote: »
    yes that would satisfy them, once they are recent (last few months). If you planning to stay 12 months + in this state, you will need to get the car re-registered on Irish plates. Think thats how it works.

    See but that's my whole point.
    I'm resident in Ireland for the last 6 or 7 years, but I could still provide recent utility bills or bank statement from Poland.
    So they are not really great proof of residency, as I'm not resident in Poland.


  • #20
    DuckSlice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If you've been here since the start of the year then you're a resident for 2013.

    I havent been here all the time. And there is a chance that I could go back aswell! Which is why I'm holding out on changing it over. Wonder could I get it changed for free!


  • #21
    00833827
    Closed Accounts Posts: 405 ✭✭00833827


    CiniO wrote: »
    See but that's my whole point.
    I'm resident in Ireland for the last 6 or 7 years, but I could still provide recent utility bills or bank statement from Poland.
    So they are not really great proof of residency, as I'm not resident in Poland.

    I see what you are saying alright - I guess if you provide recent bills from home you are declaring to the customs folk that you are not resident in this state. So if they check you out and see you have an Irish address, a PPS number, that you pay income tax and PRSI - then they will see you are actually residing in this state and not Poland as you had claimed. In this case you have just made a false declaration to a customs officer - I'm not too sure what the penalty is for that.


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  • #22
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    etxp wrote: »
    I havent been here all the time. And there is a chance that I could go back aswell! Which is why I'm holding out on changing it over. Wonder could I get it changed for free!

    If you have owned the car for 6 months or more before moving here there is no VRT.


  • #23
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #24
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,759 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If you get pulled and are unable to prove that you are currently resident in the UK then they'll probably take the car on the spot.

    He's said it is a "company car"; provided he is directed to drive it by his employer, he falls into one of the exceptions to the prohibition. As regards tax, the position is unclear (and I'd be wary of driving an untaxed Irish car in the UK) and given the low level of enforcement for tax on Irisih reg'd vehciles, I doubt there's a problem.

    I would probably get a letter from company stating that you are required to drive it.


  • #25
    R.O.R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,730 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Marcusm wrote: »
    He's said it is a "company car"; provided he is directed to drive it by his employer, he falls into one of the exceptions to the prohibition. As regards tax, the position is unclear (and I'd be wary of driving an untaxed Irish car in the UK) and given the low level of enforcement for tax on Irisih reg'd vehciles, I doubt there's a problem.

    I would probably get a letter from company stating that you are required to drive it.

    That won't cut it.

    For an ROI resident to be able to legally drive an NI (or UK) registered car, they need to have a letter from Revenue stating that there is an exemption in place, as the driver lives in ROI, but the vehicle is predominately used in NI/UK.

    Without the letter of exemption, the driver could be facing a long walk home if stopped.


  • #26
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,759 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    R.O.R wrote: »
    That won't cut it.

    For an ROI resident to be able to legally drive an NI (or UK) registered car, they need to have a letter from Revenue stating that there is an exemption in place, as the driver lives in ROI, but the vehicle is predominately used in NI/UK.

    Without the letter of exemption, the driver could be facing a long walk home if stopped.

    On a strict application of the law, the car could be seized; unlikely in most cases however. More importantly, in the context of the OP wondering about personal consequences of driving a car without UK tax, a walk is all he would face (subject to my comments above on motor tax). Responsibility for the VRT would rest not with him but with the person who imported the vehicle.


  • #27
    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Marcusm wrote: »
    On a strict application of the law, the car could be seized; unlikely in most cases however. More importantly, in the context of the OP wondering about personal consequences of driving a car without UK tax, a walk is all he would face (subject to my comments above on motor tax). Responsibility for the VRT would rest not with him but with the person who imported the vehicle.

    They are pretty strict on this one, did a clampdown a few months ago as far as i remember, was to do predominantly with VRT. As an Irish resident with this car you would be unlikely to have the paperwork they would need if stopped, and yes you would have a walk home....

    And if he says that its not his responsibility then he cant drive it in Ireland.

    The exception is only if car is predominantly for use in NI/UK and he just happens to live in ROI, AND it has to be approved by rev comm in advance. For example that exception is mainly aimed at people who for instance live in Dundalk and work in belfast and have a company car..or something like that..


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