vivaro 2.0 cdti

kincaid

Hi, im on the lookout for a van, drove a 2009 vivaro which was comfy and great to drive and handy on fuel but was now told to stay away from them as gearbox and engines give big problems...
what is the story on them?

thanks

JohnBoy26

kincaid wrote: »

Hi, im on the lookout for a van, drove a 2009 vivaro which was comfy and great to drive and handy on fuel but was now told to stay away from them as gearbox and engines give big problems...
what is the story on them?

thanks

Take the advice you have been given and stay away. They are nice to drive and so on but they are a disaster where reliability is concerned. Issues like injectors can mean big repair bills on these.

corkgsxr

Most problems were with the pre 2007 model. If it's the new 2L rather than the 1.9 its much better. Gearboxes don't fail on the new model.

kincaid

yes its the 2.0 l but they say engines give alot of trouble on these

MidlandsM

kincaid wrote: »

yes its the 2.0 l but they say engines give alot of trouble on these

they do give trouble, but having said that, there is not a new or modern diesel van out there that does'nt give hassles

Renegade Mechanic

Agreed with Midlands, hard to find anything.. The Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro is a multi badge van made by the aforementioned, Renault and Nissan. I cant speak for the Opel as they do tend to use their own engines and Ive never seen one underneath. Renault and Nissan however, operating as an alliance, use Nissans 2.0 dCi which is a sorted engine now. It takes around 7.5 to 8litres of oil. And uses a timing chain so no belt. Emissions problems arent too common either. The only problem is that chain. A few are failing (getting very noisy and rattling. Actual snappages following months of ignoring that noise are extremely rare) but only because people just refuse to service the vans at shorter intervals than the 30,000km / 2yr claimed by the manufacturer. The oil level gets too low and to diluted to work properly. Change it every 15k or 1yr and youll see little need to avail of the 5yr warranty.

MidlandsM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Agreed with Midlands, hard to find anything.. The Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro is a multi badge van made by the aforementioned, Renault and Nissan. I cant speak for the Opel as they do tend to use their own engines and Ive never seen one underneath. Renault and Nissan however, operating as an alliance, use Nissans 2.0 dCi which is a sorted engine now. It takes around 7.5 to 8litres of oil. And uses a timing chain so no belt. Emissions problems arent too common either. The only problem is that chain. A few are failing (getting very noisy and rattling. Actual snappages following months of ignoring that noise are extremely rare) but only because people just refuse to service the vans at shorter intervals than the 30,000km / 2yr claimed by the manufacturer. The oil level gets too low and to diluted to work properly. Change it every 15k or 1yr and youll see little need to avail of the 5yr warranty.

yep, sometimes these big long service intervals and long warranties are counter productive!

JohnBoy26

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Agreed with Midlands, hard to find anything.. The Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro is a multi badge van made by the aforementioned, Renault and Nissan. I cant speak for the Opel as they do tend to use their own engines and Ive never seen one underneath. Renault and Nissan however, operating as an alliance, use Nissans 2.0 dCi which is a sorted engine now. It takes around 7.5 to 8litres of oil. And uses a timing chain so no belt. Emissions problems arent too common either. The only problem is that chain. A few are failing (getting very noisy and rattling. Actual snappages following months of ignoring that noise are extremely rare) but only because people just refuse to service the vans at shorter intervals than the 30,000km / 2yr claimed by the manufacturer. The oil level gets too low and to diluted to work properly. Change it every 15k or 1yr and youll see little need to avail of the 5yr warranty.

The 2.0dci is actually a more complicated unit than the 1.9 and give more than timing chain trouble. Like the older 1.9 engine injectors go also in the 2.0 and can seize into the head which could mean a head removal job if the injectors can't be removed.

Renegade Mechanic

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The 2.0dci is actually a more complicated unit than the 1.9 and give more than timing chain trouble. Like the older 1.9 engine injectors go also in the 2.0 and can seize into the head which could mean a head removal job if the injectors can't be removed.

True, it is far more complicated. Though the main issue with siezed injectors is people who stubbornly listen to "tick tick tick tick" until the noise wont let them listen to the radio anymore. But injector troubles are unlikely and seized injectors even less. If you stick to a sensible service regime (which meane not changing the filter every 60+k or 4+yrs), a reasonable driving style that bears in mind the load youre carrying, are lucky enough to have a garage that wont just use 10w and charge you for a fuel filter that never left their shelf and are lucky enough to have a decent diesel supply, Those engines are good for 200k... Actually that is rather a game of chance:D. Also worth mentioning they do burn a little more oil than the competition, about 2 ltrs every 15k so topping up is important to that chain.

kincaid

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Agreed with Midlands, hard to find anything.. The Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro is a multi badge van made by the aforementioned, Renault and Nissan. I cant speak for the Opel as they do tend to use their own engines and Ive never seen one underneath. Renault and Nissan however, operating as an alliance, use Nissans 2.0 dCi which is a sorted engine now. It takes around 7.5 to 8litres of oil. And uses a timing chain so no belt. Emissions problems arent too common either. The only problem is that chain. A few are failing (getting very noisy and rattling. Actual snappages following months of ignoring that noise are extremely rare) but only because people just refuse to service the vans at shorter intervals than the 30,000km / 2yr claimed by the manufacturer. The oil level gets too low and to diluted to work properly. Change it every 15k or 1yr and youll see little need to avail of the 5yr warranty.

oh thought the opel engine was exactly the same as nissan,
is this opel vivaro 2litre engine the same as in the diesel insignia?

anyway kinda put off now, maybe a transit would be a better buy

corkgsxr

kincaid wrote: »

oh thought the opel engine was exactly the same as nissan,
is this opel vivaro 2litre engine the same as in the diesel insignia?

anyway kinda put off now, maybe a transit would be a better buy

I researched it by asking people who own them and the transit is a hape. One fella sed ya ya mines perfect now. But im on my 3rd engine under warranty and a few egrs and one dmf.

So a bought a reno trafic and love it

Renegade Mechanic

kincaid wrote: »

oh thought the opel engine was exactly the same as nissan,
is this opel vivaro 2litre engine the same as in the diesel insignia?

anyway kinda put off now, maybe a transit would be a better buy

Opel have their own engines. The 1.9cdti iirc is definitely opels own. The 2.0cdti Im not sure of. Ive seen it it Vectras and its definitely Opels own but Id have to look under a Vivaros bonnet to see if that was too. Let me just try something....

Edit: If the engine bay of the vivaro looks like this:

Then its the Renault/Nissan dCi. Some boxes have given but, again, its down to driving and maintenance style.

JohnBoy26

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Opel have their own engines. The 1.9cdti iirc is definitely opels own. The 2.0cdti Im not sure of. Ive seen it it Vectras and its definitely Opels own but Id have to look under a Vivaros bonnet to see if that was too. Let me just try something....

Edit: If the engine bay of the vivaro looks like this:

Then its the Renault/Nissan dCi. Some boxes have given but, again, its down to driving and maintenance style.

The 1.9 is not an opel unit. It's the same Renault unit that's in the trafic and primistar.

corkgsxr

Afaik the 1.9 was a reno unit the 2.0 is a Nissan engine

dieselbug

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Opel have their own engines. The 1.9cdti iirc is definitely opels own. The 2.0cdti Im not sure of. Ive seen it it Vectras and its definitely Opels own but Id have to look under a Vivaros bonnet to see if that was too. Let me just try something....

Edit: If the engine bay of the vivaro looks like this:

Then its the Renault/Nissan dCi. Some boxes have given but, again, its down to driving and maintenance style.

There's no denying that yellow oil cap:D

corkgsxr

dieselbug wrote: »

There's no denying that yellow oil cap:D

Worst filler ever. Its just a cup that goes to a 1 inch hose that gones into the depths. Only takes a trickle and it needs 7.7 litres. Takes ages

Renegade Mechanic

corkgsxr wrote: »

Worst filler ever. Its just a cup that goes to a 1 inch hose that gones into the depths. Only takes a trickle and it needs 7.7 litres. Takes ages

Tell me about it... -5 one morning years ago. Had to shave again when I had it full.

DaveJac

kincaid wrote: »

oh thought the opel engine was exactly the same as nissan,
is this opel vivaro 2litre engine the same as in the diesel insignia?

anyway kinda put off now, maybe a transit would be a better buy

the engine is the Opel Vivaro is the same nissan unit as in the renault and nissan vans, the newer 07 on vans are alot better and in fairness dont give much bother, working as a storeman in an opel dealers for a good few years drove one a good bit doing deliveries id buy one if i was after a van

good job the engine is not for an Insignia haha

corkgsxr

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Tell me about it... -5 one morning years ago. Had to shave again when I had it full.

Missed the kids 2nd and 3rd birthdays slowly pouring it.

JohnBoy26

DaveJac wrote: »

the engine is the Opel Vivaro is the same nissan unit as in the renault and nissan vans, the newer 07 on vans are alot better and in fairness dont give much bother, working as a storeman in an opel dealers for a good few years drove one a good bit doing deliveries id buy one if i was after a van

good job the engine is not for an Insignia haha

If it's the newer vans fitted with the 2.0 engine we are on about they still give their fair share of trouble especially regarding one of the major flaws that effected the older 1.9 unit, failing injectors.

kincaid

ok i purchased an late 2009 2litre vauxhall vivaro, think its 115bhp as its has six speed box,
so the 2litre doesnt give the same trouble with injectors as the old 1.9 model.
im using dipaaine additive now too

its a great to drive but have a problem that the engine management light comes on and stayed on for hour or so but then goes out for maybe 3-4 hours then comes on next day. its comes and goes..

JohnBoy26

kincaid wrote: »

ok i purchased an late 2009 2litre vauxhall vivaro, think its 115bhp as its has six speed box,
so the 2litre doesnt give the same troublw with injectors as the old 1.9 model.
im using dipaaine additive now too

its a great to drive but have a problem that the engine management light comes on and stayed on for hour or so but then goes out for maybe 3-4 hours then comes on next day. its comes and goes..

best of luck with it, but from experience the 2.0 gives just as much injector issues as the 1.9.

kincaid

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

best of luck with it, but from experience the 2.0 gives just as much injector issues as the 1.9.

i was hoping the reason they give the injector trouble was down to the bad diesel, thats what the main dealers alway tell you anyway.
i may run some injector cleaner through it too as will do no harm