Howa 223

iverjohnston

Hi guys,
Am planning to move from a 22 Mag. Krico to a .223 . Now I would love a Sako or a Tikka, but may have to set my sights a bit lower and go for a Remington or a Howa. Have been dissuaded from going for a .243 by the local Guard. Not much deer in our area, and a few I approached were not forthcoming with letters of permission. Remingtons seem to get good enough press, but what are peoples opinion on the Howa? a search of threads seems to throw up almost 50/50 for and against opinions. Seem a very competitive price however.

bravestar

iverjohnston wrote: »

Hi guys,
Am planning to move from a 22 Mag. Krico to a .223 . Now I would love a Sako or a Tikka, but may have to set my sights a bit lower and go for a Remington or a Howa. Have been dissuaded from going for a .243 by the local Guard. Not much deer in our area, and a few I approached were not forthcoming with letters of permission. Remingtons seem to get good enough press, but what are peoples opinion on the Howa? a search of threads seems to throw up almost 50/50 for and against opinions. Seem a very competitive price however.

I've no experience with the howa but let's say they are both equal. Now, if you ever wanted to pimp out your rifle with stocks etc something tells me remington will win hands down.

One shot on kill

Remington is a nice gun but I'd try hold out for a tikka or sako.

tomcat220t

iverjohnston wrote: »

Hi guys,
Am planning to move from a 22 Mag. Krico to a .223 . Now I would love a Sako or a Tikka, but may have to set my sights a bit lower and go for a Remington or a Howa. Have been dissuaded from going for a .243 by the local Guard. Not much deer in our area, and a few I approached were not forthcoming with letters of permission. Remingtons seem to get good enough press, but what are peoples opinion on the Howa? a search of threads seems to throw up almost 50/50 for and against opinions. Seem a very competitive price however.

Hi iverjohnston,out of the box howa would be the better rifle to a remington ...all things been equal ,imo .
The Howa action is far better designed and manufactured than the remington .
IMO,you are buying a better established brand with Remington rater than a better rifle in Howa !
Best of luck either way .
Regards ,Tomcat.

FISMA

iverjohnston,

I have 700's and 1500's in LA and SA.

I like the 1500 better out of the box in the smaller calibers but the 700 in the larger.

The basic 1500 will have a nice trigger and a decent stock. They shoot well out of the box, however, I cannot say what they do over time.

The 700's I have had shot great out of the box and better over time.

Also, what 700's have you looked at? There's a big difference between and SPS and a CDL.

I would not hesitate to get a 1500, more so if the price is right. Best of all, the hole pattern allows mounts from the 700 to be used on the 1500.

silverfox1

My vote is on the Howa. Nicer action and better factory stock.

zeissman

I would also recommend the howa.
I know 5 guys with them, 1 in 204, 2 in 223, 1 in 243 and 1 in 308 and they all shoot great. I adjusted the trigger on my mates 308 last week and its every bit as good as the timney trigger he bought for his remington.
Another great thing about the howa is you can buy a barreled action and pick your own stock.

TriggerPL

Don't mind ur guard hey if you want a 243 get your deer licence and get one you'll regret it and end up splashing out more cash a year down the road , and tell him this is ur reason for wanting a 243 so that ur finish getting guns

4200fps

I'd go with the advise TriggerPL has given. My opinion Remington rifles are not the same as they used to be. The older ones were more accurate due to better grade steels that was used on the well known ''bull barrel''. Now to compare todays Remingtons vs Howa I believe the accuracy is the same. If you buy a Remington I reckon it would have a better resale value vs Howa rifles. Now i'd choose a Savage Stevens rifle as it would be a better buy over the two for similar money. I've yet to hear of an inaccurate Savage rifle!!! Now if you can hold back longer i'd save for a Tikka or Sako, cycle their bolt once and you will fall in love not alone they guarntee out of the box accuracy . Europeans make the best rifle and optics in the world in my opinion. Howa are Chinese at the end of the day

tomcat220t

4200fps wrote: »

I'd go with the advise TriggerPL has given. My opinion Remington rifles are not the same as they used to be. The older ones were more accurate due to better grade steels that was used on the well known bull barrels. Now to compare todays Remingtons vs Howa I believe the accuracy is the same. If you buy a Remington I reckon it would have a better resale value vs Howa rifles. Now i'd choose a Savage Stevens rifle as it would be a better buy over the two for similar money. I've yet to hear of an inaccurate Savage rifle!!! Now if you can hold back longer i'd save for a Tikka or Sako, cycle their bolt once and you will fall in love not alone they guarntee out of the box accuracy . Europeans make the best rifle and optics in the world in my opinion. Howa are Chinese at the end of the day

Hi 4200fps ,Remington actions are at best middle of the road in factory form, when compared to a Howa action .
The action is the heart of any rifle and the Howa action leaves the Remington in the stone age ..so to speak !
Howa are by no means Chinese made ...
I owned two savage rifles that were poor shooters but that can happen in any make ,imo.
Regards,Tomcat.

TriggerPL

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi 4200fps ,Remington actions are at best middle of the road in factory form, when compared to a Howa action .
The action is the heart of any rifle and the Howa action leaves the Remington in the stone age ..so to speak !
Howa are by no means Chinese made ...
I owned two savage rifles that were poor shooters but that can happen in any make ,imo.
Regards,Tomcat.

Japanese if I'm right ?

tomcat220t

TriggerPL wrote: »

Japanese if I'm right ?

Hi TriggerPL, yea japanese made alright !
Regards ,Tomcat.

4200fps

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi 4200fps ,Remington actions are at best middle of the road in factory form, when compared to a Howa action .
The action is the heart of any rifle and the Howa action leaves the Remington in the stone age ..so to speak !
Howa are by no means Chinese made ...
I owned two savage rifles that were poor shooters but that can happen in any make ,imo.
Regards,Tomcat.

Sorry about mix up with origin but its close lol. The remington action is poor. Rough and rattly would how I described my last remington action. Their all the same if you buy Remington anyway. First time i heard a complaint about savage rifle being poor shooters

tomcat220t

4200fps wrote: »

Sorry about mix up with origin but its close lol. The remington action is poor. Rough and rattly would how I described my last remington action. Their all the same if you buy Remington anyway. First time i heard a complaint about savage rifle being poor shooters

Hi 4200fps,there is poor shooters in every rifle manufacture ..i guess i was just unlucky .
Its not just the rough rattly feel from the remington action ...they are an older design and poorly manufactured when compared to a howa action .
Im not knocking remington ...ive had my fair share of them too.
Regards,Tomcat.

zeissman

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi 4200fps,there is poor shooters in every rifle manufacture ..i guess i was just unlucky .
Its not just the rough rattly feel from the remington action ...they are an older design and poorly manufactured when compared to a howa action .
Im not knocking remington ...ive had my fair share of them too.
Regards,Tomcat.

This is true.
I once sold a ruger 204 and ordered a sako 85 varmint stainless also in 204
After a 6 month wait I got the sako but it was nowhere near as accurate as the ruger.

TriggerPL

zeissman wrote: »

This is true.
I once sold a ruger 204 and ordered a sako 85 varmint stainless also in 204
After a 6 month wait I got the sako but it was nowhere near as accurate as the ruger.

I'm shocked buy that how long had u the sako , I've a mate reckoned it took about 100 round true it to fire in the .5 moa , add at 100 yards it one holes now , this was a .243

fieldcraft5

iver, i have a howa in .223 and i cant say enough about this rifle its on the cheaper end affordable you can custom it up cheap after market stocks but moet im[portantly its a tack driver the best foxing rig i have used to date i have a 6x42 sb on it and its shot foxes comfortably at 300 yds it groups well with all types of ammo from 45grain up

zeissman

TriggerPL wrote: »

I'm shocked buy that how long had u the sako , I've a mate reckoned it took about 100 round true it to fire in the .5 moa , add at 100 yards it one holes now , this was a .243

I kept it a few months hoping it would get better but it didnt.
It also had problems feeding bullets from the magazine.
I was just unlucky and got a dud.
I am a big fan of sako rifles and have one in 308 and 6.5x55 and they are both great.
I do like the howa actions though. The recoil lug is part of the action which is something you will only find on some of the expensive custom actions.