Bad diesel anyone [Cork] ?

orlacorcoran

has anyone recently purchased bad diesel in the east cork area. i did not know i had till discovered i had car trouble just thought it was my car.

Chris_Heilong

Bad Diesel


on topic, it maybe your car, what makes you think its not you car?

orlacorcoran

i had the diesel tested thats how i know it was bad. extremley bad ... two injectors are gone. thanks

Bandara

orlacorcoran wrote: »

i had the diesel tested thats how i know it was bad. extremley bad ... two injectors are gone. thanks

Hi Orla

Who did you get it tested by?

btb

Quality of fuel depends on where you buy it from, I would always buy from a local oil depot off the pump, and would average 7.9 miles/ ltr. Recently purchased diesel at a well know off M7 service area, twice, exact same driving style journey traffic etc and on both fills is down to 6.27 miles/ ltr, back to my local supplier and I'm back at 7.9 ish miles/ ltr. Modern diesels are very unforgiving on fuel quality.
And I would watch fuel economy regularly.

digzy

You'd hear a lot about this. I'd have thought that you'd be safe enough with the multiples like topaz, texaco ect. And avoided the yahoos selling the nordy washed stuff?

Padraig Mor

orlacorcoran wrote: »

i had the diesel tested thats how i know it was bad. extremley bad ... two injectors are gone. thanks

Friends of mine have just had a load of trouble from supposedly bad diesel (water in it apparently) sourced in East cork. You want to pm me the garage and I can let you know if it's the same one?

DanWall

Maxol has a Guarantee of quality on its pumps which I trust. Personally I stick to the big known brands. What is Greatgas?
some filling stations do not even have a brand name on.

Dermo123

orlacorcoran wrote: »

has anyone recently purchased bad diesel in the east cork area. i did not know i had till discovered i had car trouble just thought it was my car.

I live in East Cork and would be interested to know the whereabouts of the garage you purchased the dodgy fuel? A subtle hint would suffice if you do not want to disclose exactly.

orlacorcoran

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Friends of mine have just had a load of trouble from supposedly bad diesel (water in it apparently) sourced in East cork. You want to pm me the garage and I can let you know if it's the same one?

according to the garage no one else has complained or had trouble. don t want to say name of garage at present . however water was one of the number of bad elements found in diesel . waiting on the supplier of the garage to test the diesel for themselves .

Mumha

orlacorcoran wrote: »

according to the garage no one else has complained or had trouble. don t want to say name of garage at present . however water was one of the number of bad elements found in diesel . waiting on the supplier of the garage to test the diesel for themselves .

Could it be that their underground tanks are old ? There's a garage on the western side of Cork known for its cheap diesel where there were similar issues.

Cedrus

In my personal experience and those I know, bad fuel has ALWAYS been down to water or water borne silt in it.

Old stations accumulate sumps of water due to leaks over the years and the operators seem either unwilling or unable to clean the tanks. They get away with it because most of the time we're not pumping from the very bottom of the underground tank. However, when they get deliveries it is all stirred up and we get watery rubbish at all levels. If we could avoid buying just after a delivery most of the "bad fuel" issues would be gone, if you see a tanker on the forecourt of an older station, drive on, the retailers won't warn us.

I'm sure there are closed down stations that could have been saved if they had desludged their tanks or had settling moratoriums for a few hours after deliveries.

I know that there are issues with washed green/red diesel nearer the border counties but it's not such a big problem in Cork, and I'm a petrol user anyway.

Padraig Mor

orlacorcoran wrote: »

according to the garage no one else has complained or had trouble. don t want to say name of garage at present . however water was one of the number of bad elements found in diesel . waiting on the supplier of the garage to test the diesel for themselves .

It wouldn't be in an area that rhymes with "clock" would it?

The Backwards Man

Water in diesel and bad diesel are two very different things.

Cedrus

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Water in diesel and bad diesel are two very different things.

I wasn't aware that "bad diesel" was such a strict technical term.

orlacorcoran

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Water in diesel and bad diesel are two very different things.

well my car has bad diesel which contains bio diesel high levels of water and a very high acid content amongst other elements that should not be in diesel.
i did not set out to buy bad diesel .. but surly im not the only one who purchased it.

orlacorcoran

Padraig Mor wrote: »

It wouldn't be in an area that rhymes with "clock" would it?

does not rhyme with clock..

knipex

orlacorcoran wrote: »

well my car has bad diesel which contains bio diesel high levels of water and a very high acid content amongst other elements that should not be in diesel.
i did not set out to buy bad diesel .. but surly im not the only one who purchased it.

High acid content would make me suspect washed diesel...

orlacorcoran

knipex wrote: »

High acid content would make me suspect washed diesel...

excuse my ignorance whats washed diesel

btb

Green Agricultural diesel with the dye illegally removed...

The Pontiac

I'm from East Cork am now totally paranoid when filling my car with diesel.

orlacorcoran

The Pontiac wrote: »

I'm from East Cork am now totally paranoid when filling my car with diesel.

don t go to the expesive garage to fill up... i can t be the only one who purchased this diesel. it obviously has affected other cars but people probably think its the car not the diesel. its only when i spoke to a motor assessor that they recommended getting diesel checked.

George Dalton

orlacorcoran wrote: »

don t go to the expesive garage to fill up... i can t be the only one who purchased this diesel. it obviously has affected other cars but people probably think its the car not the diesel. its only when i spoke to a motor assessor that they recommended getting diesel checked.

Who tested the fuel for you and how much did it cost?

What kind of car do you have and what damage exactly has been done to the fuel system?

The Pontiac

orlacorcoran wrote: »

don t go to the expesive garage to fill up... i can t be the only one who purchased this diesel. it obviously has affected other cars but people probably think its the car not the diesel. its only when i spoke to a motor assessor that they recommended getting diesel checked.

Thanks. I'll drive up in Glounthaune to fill up, just to be on the safe side.

Midleton has some of the most expensive stations around, so will avoid them all. Killeagh and Ladysbridge are also expensive, so will have to avoid them too.

The Backwards Man

Cedrus wrote: »

I wasn't aware that "bad diesel" was such a strict technical term.

Not really, if there's water in the tank there's nothing actually wrong with the diesel itself. Bad diesel is 'bad', e.g. washed.

corktina

wifey had trouble with her Ambulance last night , filled near CUH, no power after filling , so bad they had to swap vehicles.

orlacorcoran

my insurance company clearly states they do not cover the damage to ur car if u buy contaminated fuel

colm_mcm

anyone who wants to discuss 2 stroke engines, oil, differences between Irish petrol and te rest of the world, bread making etc, the off-topic posts have been moved here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057006876#

Figerty

btb wrote: »

Quality of fuel depends on where you buy it from, I would always buy from a local oil depot off the pump, and would average 7.9 miles/ ltr. Recently purchased diesel at a well know off M7 service area, twice, exact same driving style journey traffic etc and on both fills is down to 6.27 miles/ ltr, back to my local supplier and I'm back at 7.9 ish miles/ ltr. Modern diesels are very unforgiving on fuel quality.
And I would watch fuel economy regularly.

My sister had the same M7 experience recently; power down, economy down and you would be wondering about what damage is being done.

derry

orlacorcoran wrote: »

my insurance company clearly states they do not cover the damage to ur car if u buy contaminated fuel

In the USA and I suspect other countries they do get insurance to cover them from faulty fuel supplies (although many links i saw suggest they only seem to get half the costs )


For me its a no brainier if you buy a Diesel car that costs some €30,000 and one bad fill could cost you upwards of €5000 to fix damage and there is no insurance available and there is sod all chance to recoup costs from the offending garage you would need your head examined to buy the diesel car or to even keep yourself in that technology unless your doing massive mileage like 50,000 a year where you can recoup the repair costs in fuel cost versus a petrol cars much lower repair cost for same bad fill incidents .

Derry

dantastic

Anywhere in Cork anyone can recommend with particularly good Diesel?

TheBigGreen

dantastic wrote: »

Anywhere in Cork anyone can recommend with particularly good Diesel?

I always get my diesel at the Texoil on the North Ring Road, Ballyvolane. €1.47.

corkgsxr

TheBigGreen wrote: »

I always get my diesel at the Texoil on the North Ring Road, Ballyvorane. €1.47.

Ballyvolane id say you mean. The older looking garage impressed me recently. Every month he drains a drum (maybe 30 litre) out of each tank. Say the problem with most garages is they have underground tanks so they cant do that.

And weekly tests with this paste that turns the diesel bright pink if theres any water in it.

Seems he couldn't do more to make sure its good diesel. Iv used him ever since.



Id avoid the garage in whitescross. Had various quality issues with his diesel. Fuel filters needed changing very service. And worst thing imo is Im convinced you dont get the right amount for your money.

Alot of problems have cleared since I stopping using them

TheBigGreen

corkgsxr wrote: »

Ballyvolane id say you mean. The older looking garage impressed me recently. Every month he drains a drum (maybe 30 litre) out of each tank. Say the problem with most garages is they have underground tanks so they cant do that.

And weekly tests with this paste that turns the diesel bright pink if theres any water in it.

Seems he couldn't do more to make sure its good diesel. Iv used him ever since.

Yea in Ballyvolane. It was recommended to me when I started working up in the city.

Good to know about the tests they do.

derry

corkgsxr wrote: »

Ballyvolane id say you mean. The older looking garage impressed me recently. Every month he drains a drum (maybe 30 litre) out of each tank. Say the problem with most garages is they have underground tanks so they cant do that.

And weekly tests with this paste that turns the diesel bright pink if theres any water in it.

Seems he couldn't do more to make sure its good diesel. Iv used him ever since.



Id avoid the garage in whitescross. Had various quality issues with his diesel. Fuel filters needed changing very service. And worst thing imo is Im convinced you dont get the right amount for your money.

Alot of problems have cleared since I stopping using them

Yes but the real question is why do us motorists have to go to these lengths to get good fuel where often in European forums from north Europe they rarely have to worry for bad fuel. Its only when you look south Europe you start to see some diesel fuel issues and often they are less incidents than Eire

I vote with my feet i am not going to buy into modern diesel solutions while the oil giants of Eire stuff the diesel fuels with sawdust in the bread mix and it seems you cant even sue the local garage that sells you bad fuels

I know one barrister in Eire many years ago took the oil companies to court and won for the problems the heating oil did when it froze up in cold winter .Because he wasn't Irish and he did his law school work in Eire he was the only barrister who would do the court work .All the Irish barristers refused flat out to go against the oil companies in Eire .Needless to say this non Irish barrister was blacklisted in the Irish mafia legal system .However he didn't care he always found work the scardy cat Irish barristers wouldn't touch

Derry

Bandara

derry wrote: »

Yes but the real question is why do us motorists have to go to these lengths to get good fuel where often in European forums from north Europe they rarely have to worry for bad fuel. Its only when you look south Europe you start to see some diesel fuel issues and often they are less incidents than Eire

I vote with my feet i am not going to buy into modern diesel solutions while the oil giants of Eire stuff the diesel fuels with sawdust in the bread mix and it seems you cant even sue the local garage that sells you bad fuels

I know one barrister in Eire many years ago took the oil companies to court and won for the problems the heating oil did when it froze up in cold winter .Because he wasn't Irish and he did his law school work in Eire he was the only barrister who would do the court work .All the Irish barristers refused flat out to go against the oil companies in Eire .Needless to say this non Irish barrister was blacklisted in the Irish mafia legal system .However he didn't care he always found work the scardy cat Irish barristers wouldn't touch

Derry

How about you give us the details of that case?

You can reply in one line, just a link to the case is all I want.

dantastic

TheBigGreen wrote: »

I always get my diesel at the Texoil on the North Ring Road, Ballyvolane. €1.47.

Will try that one next!

I've filled at a big brand outlet in central Douglas a couple of times and the tank seems to last no time at all.

pa990

Hammertime wrote: »

How about you give us the details of that case?

You can reply in one line, just a link to the case is all I want.

best of luck.

Derry is writing a thesis as we speak, i suspect.

ofcork

Heard that about whitescross before not getting the right amount,ballyvolane is good alright,the owner is constantly there as you can see his s class in the yard.The newer garage around the corner seems to be fine as well.

derry

Hammertime wrote: »

How about you give us the details of that case?

You can reply in one line, just a link to the case is all I want.

I don't do law and it was long time ago I think it was about 1982 thereabouts there was sudden big freeze temps went minus to-15 C i think in year 1981 and the diesel fuel able to go to minus ten froze up .The unhappy people chose to use my friend who did some legal work for my dad on occasions to do the case .He merly mentioned it to me over a few beers way back then must have been about 1982 or 83.No details he sued the oil companies on behalf of his clients and won damages .He was the only barrister that would agree to take the case at the time . Maybe since then Irish barristers have grown a pair and would do it now . Don't ask me to quote case numbers I don't do law .For legal eagles sure it there under some case mambo jumbo they use oil companies versus frozen oil whatever

Derry

pa990

to summarize

derry wrote: »

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I know one barrister in Eire many years ago took the oil companies to court and won for the problems the heating oil did when it froze up in cold winter .Because he wasn't Irish and he did his law school work in Eire he was the only barrister who would do the court work .All the Irish barristers refused flat out to go against the oil companies in Eire .Needless to say this non Irish barrister was blacklisted in the Irish mafia legal system .However he didn't care he always found work the scardy cat Irish barristers wouldn't touch

Derry

derry wrote: »

I don't do law and it was long time ago I think it was about 1982 thereabouts there was sudden big freeze temps went minus to-15 C i think in year 1981 and the diesel fuel able to go to minus ten froze up .The unhappy people chose to use my friend who did some legal work for my dad on occasions to do the case .He merly mentioned it to me over a few beers way back then must have been about 1982 or 83.No details he sued the oil companies on behalf of his clients and won damages .He was the only barrister that would agree to take the case at the time . Maybe since then Irish barristers have grown a pair and would do it now . Don't ask me to quote case numbers I don't do law .For legal eagles sure it there under some case mambo jumbo they use oil companies versus frozen oil whatever

Derry

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Knob Longman

ofcork wrote: »

Heard that about whitescross before not getting the right amount,ballyvolane is good alright,the owner is constantly there as you can see his s class in the yard.The newer garage around the corner seems to be fine as well.

That's his brother's garage..

ofcork

Not anymore i believe,as an aside a friend of my fathers thinks he got bad diesel in o callaghans,got it tested as from what ive heard his engine packed up.

orlacorcoran

The diesel test by a company in waterford said diesel had high acid content, bio diesel and water. The garage tested the diesel and shock (not) there reseults have come back clear that the diesel was perfect. Where do i go from here. This is a very busy garage near the refinery in east cork .

derry

orlacorcoran wrote: »

The diesel test by a company in waterford said diesel had high acid content, bio diesel and water. The garage tested the diesel and shock (not) there reseults have come back clear that the diesel was perfect. Where do i go from here. This is a very busy garage near the refinery in east cork .

Can you say who tested the fuel for the garage was it some independent tester or was it one from the oil company who make sh!te be perfect fuel .

Also who was the first test done with were they independent tester
Bio fuel if it isn't treated properly will be acidic . Washed fuel will be acidic .
Get a acid test kit from chemical shop they are cheap enough and test the fuel acid shows up as different color to alkaline or nutral on test stripes and the more acidic the more the colur change .Ask for test stripes that measure slightly acidic rather than the wide band types
Acidic fuel will eat metal and eat the injectors nozzles metal and reduce the life time of the injectors and other metal parts especially high pressure diesel fuel pumps

If fuel is acidic small claims court cost you €6 and the maxim payout is ~€1250 i think

Derry

Cedrus

derry wrote: »

If fuel is acidic small claims court cost you €6 and the maxim payout is ~€1250 i think

Derry

Spoofing again!
Small Claims Court

derry

derry wrote:

If fuel is acidic small claims court cost you €6 and the maxim payout is ~€1250 i think

Derry

Some person who shall remain nameless has chosen to supply this link
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/courts_system/small_claims_court.html

where it shows small claims court maxim payout on claims is €2000 and not the smaller older figure from a few years back when small claims first started out if my memory serves me correctly. Sorry if the wrong numbers offended some peoples

Going the legal route you might not win but the fee to try is low and it might work its your risk I cant say if it will work as I don't do law but some people I know did it for faulty products and it worked for them .

The small claims court rules is it deals with

smallclaimscourt wrote:

Consumer claims such as for faulty goods or bad workmanship. You must have bought the goods or service for private use from someone selling them in the course of business.

Bad fuel is a faulty product of sorts and if you have sample and tests to prove its a bad fuel seems to me that you can try to take a case against fuel supplier who is place of business if you are a private motorist (I presume businesses like commercial trucks vans etc would not be able to to use this small claims system ) .Yes you might lose the judge might accept the fuel supplier logic that acidic fuel isn't a bad fuel who knows until you try it out but is not so expensive to lose it low cost fee . What I know is the home brew bio fuel brigade go to lots of trouble with acid and alkaline kits called tritration testing kits to ensure the Bio fuel they make isn't acidic . However some bio fuel people don't bother and let the acidic bio fuel help wreck their engines with shorter lives . As bio fuel home brew makers are not selling the bio fuel they make they can do what they like .A fuel supplier selling fuel for business has to ensure they sell good quality fuel and Judge can choose to make decisions on that issue if he/she so chooses .Equally a judge might opt not to make decision on product law of he/she doesn't feel he has enough information to reach a decision . I cant speak on behalf of judges they can do their own thing

Derry