VW Golf 1.4 and Toyota 1.4 D4D

RedDeadMarshal

Hello.

I am here to ask you about the differences between a 1.4 Golf 75BHP 55kw 126nm torque and the 1.4 80BHP 59kw 132nm torque engines. Is there a really big difference to them? Does the 80BHP pull stronger? Also what are your opinions on the 2005/2006 Toyota Corolla 1.4 d4d? I haven't sat in one but to me it looks a bit claustrophobic I am over 6ft so would it be too small for me inside?

Thank You.

sean1141

That 1.4 petrol in the golf was a poor engine.

I'm over 6 foot and not a small lad by any means and I drive a Skoda fabia with no problems. No one can sit behind me but there is loads of room for me!!!

Matthewjohn

The main difference is one is petrol and the other a diesel.

bazz26

Comparing a normally aspired petrol engine against a turbo charged diesel is like comparing apples against oranges to be honest. They are like chalk n cheese.

RedDeadMarshal

yeah but you see people it's going to be my first car yes I know one is N/A and the other is Turbo diesel but you still haven't answered my question I got quoted 3800 euro for the golf and I hear diesel is more expensive to insure. So how does the Toyota compare to the golf? Obviously i'm not going to lie I will give the car some abuse and I hear driving like an idiot in a diesel is a knife for it. Is that true?

bazz26

The reason you haven't got an answer to your question is because there is no direct answer to what you are asking. Your not comparing like with like.

A more accurate comparison is a 1.4 petrol Golf v a 1.4 petrol Corolla or a 1.9 TDi Golf v a 1.4 D-4D Corolla. A petrol of both will be smoother and quieter than a diesel version but the diesel will feel a lot quicker due to the extra torque and will be more economical. The same applies if you compare a 1.4 petrol Corolla to a 1.9 TDi Golf.

How did you arrive at choosing these two as a first car other than they are both 1.4 litre? Do you do enough driving to warrant buying a diesel car?

RedDeadMarshal

bazz26 wrote: »

The reason you haven't got an answer to your question is because there is no direct answer to what you are asking. Your not comparing like with like.

A more accurate comparison is a 1.4 petrol Golf v a 1.4 petrol Corolla or a 1.9 TDi Golf v a 1.4 D-4D Corolla. A petrol of both will be smoother and quieter than a diesel version but the diesel will feel a lot quicker due to the extra torque and will be more economical. The same applies if you compare a 1.4 petrol Corolla to a 1.9 TDi Golf.

How did you arrive at choosing these two as a first car other than they are both 1.4 litre? Do you do enough driving to warrant buying a diesel car?

I haven't bought it i'm thinking of buying it maybe next year but that's what was bugging me all the time couldn't choose between the two i'm still in school and it's an 8 minute walk from my house so no I wouldn't do a lot of driving except maybe for the weekend. Also could you answer this is driving a diesel hard bad for it? I know it's a stupid question you drive any car hard and it will decrease the lifespan of the engine but is it worse than the petrol?

djimi

Im not really sure how hard you think youll be driving a 1.4 D4D Corolla but I can tell you now it wont be that hard!

If youre not going to be doing a lot of driving then you really are asking for trouble buying a diesel. Youre not going to save anything in the long run.

Im also not sure why you would think that a 1.4 diesel Corolla would cost more to insure than a 1.4 petrol Golf? €3800 is absolutely nonsense money to insure the Golf; there is no way the Corolla would cost more than that.

bazz26

Drive any car hard and eventually it will end in trouble and/or expensive. Why would you want to drive the car hard anyway? No offense but it would seem a bit silly and immature to do so? Its a bad habit to get into and will end up costing you in one way or another.

RedDeadMarshal

djimi wrote: »

Im not really sure how hard you think youll be driving a 1.4 D4D Corolla but I can tell you now it wont be that hard!

If youre not going to be doing a lot of driving then you really are asking for trouble buying a diesel. Youre not going to save anything in the long run.

Im also not sure why you would think that a 1.4 diesel Corolla would cost more to insure than a 1.4 petrol Golf? €3800 is absolutely nonsense money to insure the Golf; there is no way the Corolla would cost more than that.

some people say that diesel is more expensive to insure for a teenager that's all I know. Yeah I know 3800 is nonsense I hope I can get it cheaper for the corolla but I know somebody who got quoted 4000 for a k11 micra :eek:

bazz26

Car insurance is based on the person being insured just as much as the car you are insuring. They also can base the premiums on the bhp of the engine rather than the engine size as a lot of cars these days have small capacity engines which are more powerful than older n/a engines. For example VW had a 1.4 TSi engine that was both turbo and super charged with 170bhp. It cost a lot more to insure than the standard n/a 1.4 engine.

djimi

RedDeadMarshal wrote: »

some people say that diesel is more expensive to insure for a teenager that's all I know. Yeah I know 3800 is nonsense I hope I can get it cheaper for the corolla but I know somebody who got quoted 4000 for a k11 micra :eek:

Did they have a major conviction against them or something? Even a 17 year old male with a fresh learners permit and no experience should get insured on a Micra for about half that.

Some diesels are probably more expensive; a teenage lad trying to insure a tdi Bora for example is going to have all sorts of alarm bells ringing for insurance companies. A 1.4 D4D Corolla is nothing like that level though. Its not exactly going to be the cheapest car to insure, but I dont see why it would cause any major issues or expense.

And do yourself a favour and cut out the bull**** talk about driving it hard. I know you think it sounds cool to talk about driving your first car hard and all that, but seriously go and learn how to drive the thing properly first.

RedDeadMarshal

bazz26 wrote: »

Drive any car hard and eventually it will end in trouble and/or expensive. Why would you want to drive the car hard anyway? No offense but it would seem a bit silly and immature to do so? Its a bad habit to get into and will end up costing you in one way or another.

not that i'm going to do handbrake turns or drive it like that everyday which I think is stupid myself or fly down the ramps in your estate at 100 would obviously be stupid but sometimes you know you just want that poke i'm talking about sudden throttle because diesel cannot burn as easy as petrol which causes black smoke in the engine and I hear it's not good for it because the engine is not burning the diesel correctly the way it should be.

Francie Barrett

Both cars are going to be pretty slow, however the Golf will probably feel that little bit quicker because it's petrol and the turbo lag from a standstill position won't be an issue.

If I was you, I'd consider a 2005 or older, first-gen Yaris with the 1.0 litre engine. If you're driving in and out to school, then it will be the most economical, you'll also be making a massive saving in tax. Also, because it's so light, it will probably have similar performance to the 1.4 litre Golf, especially in urban driving conditions. Finally, it should be cheaper to insure because 17 year old men don't tend to drive them (like they do with Golf's).