Traffic lights near cycle tracks

check_six

Can anyone offer their best guess as to how to use a cycle track in the following scenarios when the traffic light goes red:

1. T-junction. The track travels along the cross bar of the T. The track is off the road. There is a traffic light to the left of the track. There are markings on the road, but these do not continue onto the cycle track.
(see pic 1)

2. T-junction. The track travels along the cross bar of the T. The track is off the road. There is a traffic light to the left of the track, but this time the traffic light post has a bend in it to put it closer to the road and over the cycle track. There are markings on the road, but these do not continue onto the cycle track. (see pic2)

3. Pedestrian Crossing. The traffic light is in the middle of the cycle track. The track is off the road. To safely negotiate the track you would stay to the left of the traffic light. There is a combined pedestrian and cycle track directly after the traffic light. (see pic3)

These are a few junctions on the Stillorgan Road out Foxrock/Cabinteely direction heading away from town.

seamus

1 & 2, the lights clearly apply to the cycle track because they appear on the left-hand side. No. 3 the lights do not apply to the cycle track because they are not on the left-hand edge of the cycle track.

In all three cases I wouldn't use those abominations anyway, just stick to the road.

red man walking

Pic2 in my opinion : the poles are called crank poles and the normal reason to use them would be if there was an obstruction in front of the signal i.e. a street lamp post or tree etc., it seems to be used in this instance to keep the pole away from cycle track as much as possible and not to have it on the road either. Its defo not for stopping cyclist as there is no ped crossing across it and its away from the side rd traffic so keep her lit.
Pic3: I agree has nothing to do with the cycle track so would not be stopping but I'd be watching for pedestrians.
Pic1: I'd be stopping at the red light otherwise you may get a fine should you be caught.

CramCycle

While pic 3 does not apply to the cycle track (the other 2 do), is there a caution: pedestrians sign or warning just before it, would seem odd not to.

red man walking

the only warning sign of note is about 200mtr from the junction and are flashing signals for motor vehicles to warn them that the junction is going to turn red for them so don't think there is any warning sign for cyclists and as for pic2 you'd be stopped for nothing as the cycle track is off the road and doesn't interfere with junction

DirkVoodoo

I used to live in Foxrock so I know photo 2 well. As the other poster said, I believe its placement is to avoid making it a hazard on the lane. There is no pedestrian crossing there as there is in photo 1, so why cyclists using a segregated lane would be expected to stop for traffic coming from Loretto is beyond me.

CramCycle

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

so why cyclists using a segregated lane would be expected to stop for traffic coming from Loretto is beyond me.

Interval training?

Smoster

seamus wrote: »

1 & 2, the lights clearly apply to the cycle track because they appear on the left-hand side. No. 3 the lights do not apply to the cycle track because they are not on the left-hand edge of the cycle track.

In all three cases I wouldn't use those abominations anyway, just stick to the road.

Yeah stick to the road and then you can break the red lights like the vast majority of clueless cyclist's.

DirkVoodoo

Smoster wrote: »

Yeah stick to the road and then you can break the red lights like the vast majority of clueless cyclist's.

Stick to your FIFA young man, leave the cycling to the grown ups.