BMW I3 To Cost 35K Euro's

-5k Government grant =30K,

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113072260442/bmw-i3-officially-priced-in-germany-from-34950-eur

Great contender to the Diesel 1 Series or a Golf but would be super fun with all the torque from 0 rpm.

0-100 kph in 8 seconds, not bad.

This car will have some serious options such as fully auto park assist meaning it will control steering and accelerator and breaking.

The ability to drive fully automatic in town and city.

Range is supposed to be around 100 miles, it's around 300 kg lighter than the Leaf.

It will also have the option of a range extender.

Nonoperational

Very cool, but 100 miles is still a real limiting factor.

Nonoperational

Nonoperational wrote: »

Very cool, but 100 miles is still a real limiting factor.

You have the option of a range extender if you feel 20 mins or so on a fast charger is too inconvenient.

adocholiday

It's a very unattractive car. Surprised at the poor styling from BMW.

adocholiday

adocholiday wrote: »

It's a very unattractive car. Surprised at the poor styling from BMW.

Inside or out, or in general ?

The final design will be unveiled next week.

adocholiday

Basing my opinion from those pictures on the site, even if that is only a concept, they probably won't deviate too much from it. I mean the exterior, the few pics of the interior that are there look pretty good in fairness though.

This is probably as close to the final production version and not bad imo, better than a Leaf.

Matt Simis

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This is probably as close to the final production version and not bad imo, better than a Leaf.

While not a looker in its own right, its another ballpark from the eyesore that is the Leaf. It does look like an Audi A2 (from 13years ago) crossed with an Audi A1.. it doesnt look like a BMW at all. Which is possibly intentional.


Also, I want to know exactly which motor and tech they are using as the spec is fantastic:

The pure-electric i3 has a rear-mounted 50 kg (110 lbs) electric motor producing 170 HP (125 kW) and 250 Nm (184 lb-ft) of torque.

Light and very powerful.. if batteries werent so $hit we could have 2 of them in a lightweight 3 series for independently controlled RWD near 300bhp action.

September1

Is it known if there is come active cooling / heating of battery pack?

Henry Ford III

Optional range extender

galwaytt

Saw one in BMW Welt in April:


Doors are see-through on concept car:









Chassis is structurally-bonded:

Stallingrad

First BMW in years that I am really looking forward to seeing.

ShadowHearth

Defenetly looks better then Leaf. 100miles is not bad. It would be more then enough for me.

Still RWD by the way. I can already see tuned versions of it!

munchkin_utd

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Defenetly looks better then Leaf. 100miles is not bad. It would be more then enough for me.

Still RWD by the way. I can already see tuned versions of it!

+1

as a runabout for getting the shopping or bringing kids to the creche or the short run to the train/ bus station its more than adequate for probably 95% of drivers.

Yes, salesmen who drive 100s of km a day wont find it useful, but if folks would actually stand back and look at how many short journeys they make, then especially as a second car the I3 makes sense.
Throw in the 1cylinder backup generator and even cross country journeys are possible whenever they need to be made .

September1

September1 wrote: »

Is it known if there is come active cooling / heating of battery pack?

Yes the battery has thermal management.

Though winter use will still consume some range due to the heater which no one knows yet if its heat pump or not.

Matt Simis

Matt Simis wrote: »

Light and very powerful.. if batteries werent so $hit we could have 2 of them in a lightweight 3 series for independently controlled RWD near 300bhp action.

Sure you can have a bigger battery battery but at a higher cost.

munchkin_utd

September1 wrote: »

Is it known if there is come active cooling / heating of battery pack?

knowing bmw they'd probably omit it and then allow you to have an option of one or other as an extra for thousands of euro!

[QUOTE=ShadowHearth;

Still RWD by the way. I can already see tuned versions of it! [/QUOTE]

Electric motors can take huge amounts of peak power, though the tuning potential would depend on how much overhead is left in the inverter, wiring and indeed how many c you can pull from the battery itself.

First thing is knowing the limits of the battery.

RedorDead

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-5k Government grant =30K,

Your pricing is incorrect. It will be €38,160 here without SEAI grant. Still a lower than expected price.

http://www.rev.ie/bmw-i3-pricing-announced/

68 lost souls

I'd love to see one of these when they are released. I would seriously consider an electric car if I could afford one. If BMW (or any one else) are watching this thread and want to sponsor a person for this car for a year and blog about it etc I would be more than willing

I'd do 40km a day mixed driving at least and longer drives on the weekends. Would be great marketing.

68 lost souls

68 lost souls wrote: »

I'd love to see one of these when they are released. I would seriously consider an electric car if I could afford one. If BMW (or any one else) are watching this thread and want to sponsor a person for this car for a year and blog about it etc I would be more than willing

I'd do 40km a day mixed driving at least and longer drives on the weekends. Would be great marketing.

You can get a Leaf for 14,500 Euro's from the U.K now.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201307177867037/sort/default/usedcars/model/leaf/make/nissan/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/page/1/postcode/bs324nf/radius/1500?logcode=p

If you can make it on one charge in winter roughly 60 odd miles then it's ideal, if you can plug in at a public charger, i.e Luas or work allows you to charge then you're sorted that will allow you 120 odd miles in winter or 140+ in Summer.

HandsomeDan

68 lost souls wrote: »

I'd love to see one of these when they are released. I would seriously consider an electric car if I could afford one. If BMW (or any one else) are watching this thread and want to sponsor a person for this car for a year and blog about it etc I would be more than willing

I'd do 40km a day mixed driving at least and longer drives on the weekends. Would be great marketing.

Nice try, but I'm sure BMW have better ways of spending 35k than giving your black ass a free I3

If I had the cash I'd certainly be buying the I3 as it's naturally the more advanced e.v you'll be able to buy, and the MK II Leaf might be even more advanced again than the I3.

There is no news on the battery warranty yet apart from the usual 8 years 100,000 miles, what they don't say is what that actually covers.

No one knows yet about fast charging and if it will harm the battery long term, the Chevy spark allows multiple daily fast charging.

The question is if the I3 is worth nearly twice the money if a 2nd hand Leaf meets your needs and plunging in for a QC on the occasional long journey is too difficult ?

Or if Zoe can make use of the 22 kw public chargers which there are far far more, meaning under an hour for a charge from all non fast chargers then is the I3 worth the extra ?

Maybe it is if it gets 20-30 more miles in winter driving, or an extra 20 miles in Summer.

HandsomeDan

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Nice try, but I'm sure BMW have better ways of spending 35k than giving your black ass a free I3

30K

That's cheaper than a lesser spec Golf 2.0L TDI !

And electric driving is a lot of fun.

HandsomeDan

Deleted User wrote: »

The question is if the I3 is worth nearly twice the money if a 2nd hand Leaf meets your needs and plunging in for a QC on the occasional long journey is too difficult ?

Classic boards, comparing new car and second hand prices as if they're the same thing.

HandsomeDan

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Classic boards, comparing new car and second hand prices as if they're the same thing.

It's a valid question, is it worth twice the amount of the Leaf if you want an e.v if the leaf meets your needs ?

HandsomeDan

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It's a valid question, is it worth twice the amount of the Leaf if you want an e.v if the leaf meets your needs ?

compare new car prices with other new car prices; compare 5 year old car prices with other 5yo car prices, otherwise:

Oafley Jones

Don't know why it's never occurred to me, but I've never accounted for the engine tech in the cars depreciation. Sure you're incurring the cost of aging, the battery losing cycles but I've never considered the actual engine. ICE cars have pretty much plateaued in terms of development but electric cars are developing at much faster rate, it's slightly akin to selling on a laptop.. What gen processor has it got? I wonder what the residuals are like in the UK so far? The BMW does strike me as a much more attractive option than the Nissan. The range extender if priced correctly could be the trump card. Carbon fibre paneling worries me. Ding that and you're wallet will know about it.

RedorDead

RedorDead wrote: »

Your pricing is incorrect. It will be €38,160 here without SEAI grant. Still a lower than expected price.

http://www.rev.ie/bmw-i3-pricing-announced/

I was going on the German price, mad that its 3 k more expensive here, but not unsurprisingly.

And I wonder is that including the out the door price ?

Stallingrad

Given that BMW still don't know how to make a reliable engine after 97 years of trying good luck to anyone taking a punt on their first electric effort. Still look forward to it though.

RedorDead

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I was going on the German price, mad that its 3 k more expensive here, but not unsurprisingly.

And I wonder is that including the out the door price ?

Nope delivery will be another 850e on top of this.

reboot

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Don't know why it's never occurred to me, but I've never accounted for the engine tech in the cars depreciation. Sure you're incurring the cost of aging, the battery losing cycles but I've never considered the actual engine. ICE cars have pretty much plateaued in terms of development but electric cars are developing at much faster rate, it's slightly akin to selling on a laptop.. What gen processor has it got? I wonder what the residuals are like in the UK so far? The BMW does strike me as a much more attractive option than the Nissan. The range extender if priced correctly could be the trump card. Carbon fibre paneling worries me. Ding that and you're wallet will know about it.

Having managed to get rid of all the problems having to replace ICE parts and going pure electric,say Zoe, why do some want to go back?.James May recent I3 owner admitted he was a coward with range anxiety.

The I3 starts at 33,500 Euro's btw, similar to the E-Golf. I would rather the I3, but it might be too small. I wouldn;t pay 33.5 K for the E-Golf it's a half assed lame attempt from VW. No heat pump standard either, and no battery heater option.

The I3 also has a battery heater as an option, a very well worth while not expensive extra.

The heat pump is extra also, another essential extra.

The QC port is extra in Germany but seemingly standard in Ireland, but you'd want to check this.

The Kia soul will be an interesting car in 2015, heat pump standard, heated and cooled seats, qc port standard, and the battery is heated and cooled as standard. 27 kwh battery V leaf's 24 and 20 usable. The soul could very well have close to 100 miles real range.

Frankie Lee

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The Kia soul will be an interesting car in 2015, heat pump standard, heated and cooled seats, qc port standard, and the battery is heated and cooled as standard. 27 kwh battery V leaf's 24 and 20 usable. The soul could very well have close to 100 miles real range.

There is some very good technical info on the Soul EV available here:
https://www.kia-hotline.com/euro5/login.tiles

You do have to register but it is free to use unlike some manufacturers.

Frankie Lee

Frankie Lee wrote: »

There is some very good technical info on the Soul EV available here:
https://www.kia-hotline.com/euro5/login.tiles

You do have to register but it is free to use unlike some manufacturers.

That's brilliant, thanks !

reboot

reboot wrote: »

Having managed to get rid of all the problems having to replace ICE parts and going pure electric,say Zoe, why do some want to go back?.James May recent I3 owner admitted he was a coward with range anxiety.

Seems the BMW is now available as pure EV? I didn't know that, just think , it could join another Thread?

reboot

reboot wrote: »

Seems the BMW is now available as pure EV? I didn't know that, just think , it could join another Thread?

The I3 was always available as ev only.

BMW could have stuffed about 8 more KWh in the I3 because there is a big waste of empty space in the EV only I3. This would have easily allowed the I3 to break the 100 mile barrier.