Neighbours son of 8 causes €300 worth of damage to car.

Greenman

Neighbours son of 8 causes damage to our car.

Strictly theoretical.

Lets say the son of our neighbour aged 8 in Ireland was caught scratching the paintwork of our car.

How do you proceed?

wiz569

Greenman wrote: »

Neighbours son of 8 causes damage to our car.

Strictly theoretical.

Lets say the son of our neighbour aged 8 in Ireland was caught scratching the paintwork of our car.

How do you proceed?

My son done the same when he was about 5,we just paid the bill,but I did catch him doing it so there was no doubt,

Are your neighbors approachable?

Greenman

wiz569 wrote: »

My son done the same when he was about 5,we just paid the bill,but I did catch him doing it so there was no doubt,

Are your neighbors approachable?

Thanks for that.

Strictly theoretical.

What got me thinking is I was listening to Pat Kenny about vandalism in a housing estate and Pat saying the kids were too young for anything to be done.

Here in Belgium AFAIK parents/gaurdians are responsible for their children, if the kid causes damage/vandalism and caught the parents/gaurdians pay the damage plus a fine. Can't pay the monies are taken from your state benefits. Does that happen in Ireland?

drunkmonkey

With a car it's always worth the extra 20/30 euro to insure your no claims bonus, that way you can easily claim for damage without hurting your premium or neighbours pocket.

Greenman

drunkmonkey wrote: »

With a car it's always worth the extra 20/30 euro to insure your no claims bonus, that way you can easily claim for damage without hurting your premium or neighbours pocket.

What about people taking responsibility for their actions??

Recently here a woman killed herself by jumping in front of a train. Later the family got a bill for time lost by the railroad:eek:, makes you think!!!

Marcusm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

With a car it's always worth the extra 20/30 euro to insure your no claims bonus, that way you can easily claim for damage without hurting your premium or neighbours pocket.

Unfortunately, protecting your NCB is not as powerful as you might think; it applies only to your current insurer and ony protects the %age discount - the underlying premium can still rise to reflect te higher risk.

Pro Hoc Vice

Greenman wrote: »

What about people taking responsibility for their actions??

Recently here a woman killed herself by jumping in front of a train. Later the family got a bill for time lost by the railroad:eek:, makes you think!!!

Can you link to that.

wiz569

Greenman wrote: »

Thanks for that.

Strictly theoretical.

What got me thinking is I was listening to Pat Kenny about vandalism in a housing estate and Pat saying the kids were too young for anything to be done.

Here in Belgium AFAIK parents/gaurdians are responsible for their children, if the kid causes damage/vandalism and caught the parents/gaurdians pay the damage plus a fine. Can't pay the monies are taken from your state benefits. Does that happen in Ireland?

I am not sure tbh of the law regarding this here in Ireland,I dont think the law allows you to sue the parents,

Most decent people would of course cover the damages their child caused,but again proof needs to be conclusive,

As for having to use your insurance cover and therefore damage your no claims bonus,that's just crazy,why should you have to do that when somebody else caused the damage?

Unfortunately most people don't really care these days,and if they can ignore or get out of their responsibilities they will

Greenman

infosys wrote: »

Can you link to that.

I'm looking and will post back soon.

Greenman

wiz569 wrote: »

I am not sure tbh of the law regarding this here in Ireland,I dont think the law allows you to sue the parents,

Most decent people would of course cover the damages their child caused,but again proof needs to be conclusive,

As for having to use your insurance cover and therefore damage your no claims bonus,that's just crazy,why should you have to do that when somebody else caused the damage?

Unfortunately most people don't really care these days,and if they can ignore or get out of their responsibilities they will

Thanks thats what I was looking for.

I think if the law was changed in Ireland and the parents/gaurdians were hit in the pocket if little Johnny or Mary caused vandalism and it was conclusive I think you would see a change in attitude.

Re sueing, no sueing just a plain fine plus the cost to set things right.

LowKeyReturn

Surely the person in charge of the child owes a duty of care to the injured party?

EDIT: Parenting Forum this way. OP has asked for a legal discussion and is one of the very few posters here who has managed to divine the meaning of the work hypothetical. Sorry not trying to back seat mod.

anncoates

If my son danaged a neighbours car even by accident, I would reimburse them immediately.

wiz569

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

Surely the person in charge of the child owes a duty of care to the injured party?

EDIT: Parenting Forum this way. OP has asked for a legal discussion and is one of the very few posters here who has managed to divine the meaning of the work hypothetical. Sorry not trying to back seat mod.

OP never asked for a legal discussion,its a simple back and forth chat between people,albeit including our opinions,and does not need any reference to mods whether back seat or not

Greenman

infosys wrote: »

Can you link to that.

Heres a link http://plazilla.com/zelfmoord-op-het-spoor-de-feiten-en-de-gevolgen Not the exact incident but you can run it through a translator.

To sum up via a translator.

This may very quickly run into the thousands of dollars, but this is viewed separately for each suicide. In 2003, for example, had the SNCB a cost low price of 801,000 euros presented. In 53% of cases the insurance company intervened. This is not to say that in 47% of cases the families had to pay for it themselves.

LowKeyReturn

wiz569 wrote: »

OP never asked for a legal discussion,its a simple back and forth chat between people,albeit including our opinions,and does not need any reference to mods whether back seat or not

Sorry I misunderstood the forum title.

wiz569

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

Sorry I misunderstood the forum title.

No you didnt but its still not a legal discussion as far as I can see,its a very broad discussion but still no need for mod intervention surely

Yawns

I think the OP was more interested in what could be done via the legal system in such a case. I don't think there is much that could be done as a child of 8 can't be held responsible for criminal damage. Certain extreme circumstances, they can be but damaging a car is not one of them. With that in mind, I don't think a case could be brought against the parents or the child so the owner of the car in such a situation would be out of pocket in this case.

Out of principle the parents should pay, I would if my child damaged a car that way.

LowKeyReturn

wiz569 wrote: »

No you didnt but its still not a legal discussion as far as I can see,its a very broad discussion but still no need for mod intervention surely

You misunderstood what I meant about mods - my comment could be taken as backseat moding.

wiz569

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

You misunderstood what I meant about mods - my comment could be taken as backseat moding.

I know what you meant m8, and you were probably right as regards it being in the wrong section, but I personally don't think it would fit in "Parenting Advice" either lol