20th of July

Francie Barrett

Irish Oaks day tomorrow and it looks like a tricky enough race. Riposte to me is proven over the distance and I think with the firm ground we're going to have tomorrow, it should have too much for the opposition.

Looking at the 5:40 I see Darwin as being the pick of the bunch thanks to the weight penalty that Gordon Lord Byron has and the fact that Darwin is that bit more lightly raced this season.

Johner

Great card at Market Rasen tomorrow. Proper racing.

mailburner

really think darwin is a shoe in for the 5.40 (11/8)
i cant see gordon lord byron giving this one 12lbs

looks between the two

UrbanSea

Leitir Mor is the danger I think, not sure Darwin's trip will be 7 furlongs on firm going. It's a tricky day's racing tomorrow

Johner

The biggest cert tomorrow is Alive Alive Oh to be a non runner.

JAORTA

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Irish Oaks day tomorrow and it looks like a tricky enough race. Riposte to me is proven over the distance and I think with the firm ground we're going to have tomorrow, it should have too much for the opposition.

Looking at the 5:40 I see Darwin as being the pick of the bunch thanks to the weight penalty that Gordon Lord Byron has and the fact that Darwin is that bit more lightly raced this season.

Boylesports are doing a good special on the oaks...money back if second.This only applies to online, text a bet and mobile bets but is great value.I do some text betting with them and the odd time you get good value like this but only the odd time mind you!!!

ShaneU

Barizan at 2.55 8/1 Would be rude not to after that last win!

longshotvalue

Still limited time to look at racing today as I only have a short time with wifi access. still no real problem as there is 2 very good NH races today at Market Rasen

2:55 Market Rasen

Barizan was the most confident selection that I've ever made last time out , and considering how I rated him a few years ago I think the 12 lbs rise is well within his grasp here given he has perfect conditions. He was 18 lengths clear of the 3rd in his last victory and repeat at here will be good enough. I have a slight concern that his main target Is the Galway plate in a few weeks and it seems strange to be risking a possible rise in the weights for the biggest purse of its type but I can't pass up on the value at 8/1 in places. Given my slight concern about his target I'm also going for Local Hero in this as he looks sure to get back to top form here having won this last year of only 4 lbs lower. He was a good 3rd last time to Barizan and with both Barizan and Australia Day in this the race could be setup for him to come late. 11/1 looks great value for him.

2 points win Barizan 8/1
2 Points Win Local Hero 11/1

3:30 Market Rasen

This seems a difficult race and I'm going with my gut feeling that Donas Palm will like the good ground and only needs to recover some of his old form to be in with a chance here off a nice weight. He has won before in Galway on very good ground and I'm hoping today may well be his target. He looks worth 1 pt EW at his current best odds of 25/1. He is one of the classiest in the field in his best form.

1 pt EW 25/1 Sky Bet

Gringo180

Does anybody think Magical Dream is AOB best chance for Oaks glory, I am kinda put off by jockey bookings and that she may be used as a pacemaker.

carmanard

Those who are cursed to carry my money today: Barizan (sorry!!), Royale's charter in the summer plate, giving kitten on the run one last chance in the opener at Newmarket & backing peniaphobia in the 3.50 at Newbury. Will be watching the opener at the curragh very closely, some absolutely fabulously bred horses in there, I'd be amazed if this race doesn't turn out to be a serious source of future winners...

mike65

Johner wrote: »

Great card at Market Rasen tomorrow. Proper racing.

Cartmel is where its at on sunny day.

MoscowFlyer

Lets all get on HOPEFILLY in the Super Sprint today. Think she has a huge chance. Available at 16s!

Backstreet Moyes

Nothing worse waking up hungover. You need to find a winner or two to go to a party later. But your heads pounding and their are 8 cards to look at. Only thing to do is stick with alive alive oh.

longshotvalue

5:10 curragh

Just a quick extra longshot. Norville is a much bigger price here than I expected and of a very good mark looks worth a min bet at 40/1 ew with coral.

1/2 point ew 40/1 coral .

mailburner

Johner wrote: »

The biggest cert tomorrow is Alive Alive Oh to be a non runner.

if it doesnt happen?

Part of me would be sick if it won at 6s and I didnt have
a few quid on
torn between talent and that

Overthelast

Going with yorkshire relish in the supersprint today.

Gringo180

Alive Alive Oh, don't see the fascination in her, she beat a half fit Magical Dream last time out and was getting 3lbs, I can see O Briens filly reversing form with her today. Her sire hasn't produced anything that looks a real Group 1 performer so I couldn't back her with any confidence at all.

UrbanSea

The French filly could give a real boost to Treve's form but she looks as ungenuine as they come

UrbanSea

Gringo180 wrote: »

Alive Alive Oh, don't see the fascination in her, she beat a half fit Magical Dream last time out and was getting 3lbs, I can see O Briens filly reversing form with her today. Her sire hasn't produced anything that looks a real Group 1 performer so I couldn't back her with any confidence at all.

There is no way she should be expected to reverse the form she was absolutely ran in to the ground by her. Are you just assuming she was half fit?

Don't like writing off horses with form purely by their sire. You know Duke had no stakes winners last year yet has had 7 this year as three year olds all fillies bar one.Sure two of the fillies that are single figure prices are by Duke of Marmalade and this is probably the best Irish Oaks in years

Gatame

What you guys reckon of Barizan's chances this time out? 12lb rise from last win when a few of us from here were on him.

Gringo180

UrbanSea wrote: »

There is no way she should be expected to reverse the form she was absolutely ran in to the ground by her. Are you just assuming she was half fit?

Don't like writing off horses with form purely by their sire. You know Duke had no stakes winners last year yet has had 7 this year as three year olds all fillies bar one.Sure two of the fillies that are single figure prices are by Duke of Marmalade and this is probably the best Irish Oaks in years

Highest rated horse he has produced is Count of Limonade who is nowhere near a top class horse, don't get me wrong I could be totally wrong but I just feel that her last win was really flattering for her. I have no way of known whether Magical Dream was half fit but most of AOBs horses come on for a run and you would have to assume she wasn't 100% after 8 months off the track and I think her best form is on better ground.

EDIT - And how on earth is Venus De Milo 7/1 thats a shocking price should be at least double that.

UrbanSea

Would be disappointed if he wad the highest rated of them by the end of the year think he's below stakes company and got a bit lucky that he got.such a good opportunity to get black type

Overthelast

Mark Johnston's horses are really firing at the moment.

Gringo180

Overthelast wrote: »

Mark Johnston's horses are really firing at the moment.

I could never back any of his horses, its either a feast or a famine with him :rolleyes:

slaneylad

2 bets today each way

Donnas palm 3.30 Market Rasen 20/1
Venus de Milo in the oaks 7/1

I was impressed with venus de milos's 2 wins. I backed her both times as I knew she was entered in the oaks. she was second string on both her starts and was only really put into both races very late with a bit of work to do. I think she has a bit of class.

Officially Joesph has chosen just pretending but it didnt stop me backing her the last twice.

Overthelast

Gringo180 wrote: »

I could never back any of his horses, its either a feast or a famine with him :rolleyes:

They are feasting now. They do go a bit in and out though to be fair.

ste2010

Fancies for today
Cartmel
Nordform violet cartmel 2.10
Merrydown vintage in 2.45
Ballybough gorta 3.20
Sydney milbourne 4.30
Decoy in second last at cartmel (NAP)
Market Rasen
Cockney mackem in the handicap hurdle at a big price

tryfix

Gringo180 wrote: »

Does anybody think Magical Dream is AOB best chance for Oaks glory, I am kinda put off by jockey bookings and that she may be used as a pacemaker.

O'Brien's best 2yo fillies last year are a disappointing bunch of 3yos, the later maturing types are his best shot at it, even the supplementary entry Venus De Milo can't be taken at face value. The cost of supplementing her being justified by the likelihood of her running into a place fairly handily and hence boosting her sires earning potential for the owners.

If Talent runs to form she'll beat Riposte, with the French horse or Venus De Milo the only ones likely to spring a surprise in the race.

Gringo180

tryfix wrote: »

O'Brien's best 2yo fillies last year are a disappointing bunch of 3yos, the later maturing types are his best shot at it, even the supplementary entry Venus De Milo can't be taken at face value. The cost of supplementing her being justified by the likelihood of her running into a place fairly handily and hence boosting her sires earning potential for the owners.

If Talent runs to form she'll beat Riposte, with the French horse or Venus De Milo the only ones likely to spring a surprise in the race.

What about Bolgers filly she could run well at a big price, step up to 12f should suit judged on pedigree.

MoscowFlyer

As expected Alive Alive Oh is a NR

bumper234

Have coffee e/w 2-55 market rasen and gentleman arsham 3-30 market rasen 3 × doubles and 1x treble e/w pineau de re 3-30 market rasen Biography 3-50 newbury la tassel 3-40 newmarket

Gringo180

MoscowFlyer wrote: »

As expected Alive Alive Oh is a NR

Will they still pay out 3 places in the race done my bet this morning??

Overthelast

Gringo180 wrote: »

Will they still pay out 3 places in the race done my bet this morning??

No.

Gringo180

Overthelast wrote: »

No.

Feck it anyways I went each way in all the races with 8 runners and each one has a non runner in them :pac:

Johner

Johner wrote: »

The biggest cert tomorrow is Alive Alive Oh to be a non runner.

Boom! Yessssss!! Get in there! I won!!!!

tryfix

Gringo180 wrote: »

What about Bolgers filly she could run well at a big price, step up to 12f should suit judged on pedigree.

A strange jump in trip for a horse that went back to a mile twice after running at 10f, but that's Jim anything is possible, the bookies may be your best guide.

The pedigree says she'll probably stay 12f, but her full siblings sisters were milers, the Guineas 2nd placed Cuas Ghaire and the Guineas 3rd and Coronation Stakes second Gile Na Greine.

bumper234

Johner wrote: »

Boom! Yessssss!! Get in there! I won!!!!

How much?

UrbanSea

Lads youd have to think Weld's filly could be very good Carla Blanca finished a close second to Australia who looks useful and had the benefit of a run, pair clear

UrbanSea

Waila fairly boosted the Ribblesdale form

Harry Angstrom

Paddy Power money back if your horse comes second in the Irish Oaks.

Gringo180

Thats a quirky but talented filly, great ride by Murtagh there brilliant stuff! Treve must be some machine too.

Overthelast

I know it turned into a sprint but that Treve form just took some boost.

mailburner

mailburner wrote: »

really think darwin is a shoe in for the 5.40 (11/8)
i cant see gordon lord byron giving this one 12lbs

looks between the two

steering job
the money spoke volumes there also

UrbanSea

Bit off putting how close they finished and with Talent under performing but Treve must really be top class to hammer her. Could be the best fully since Zarkava.

Am i correct in thinking that is the first classic winning filly by Montjeu

tryfix

UrbanSea wrote: »

Bit off putting how close they finished and with Talent under performing but Treve must really be top class to hammer her. Could be the best fully since Zarkava.

Am i correct in thinking that is the first classic winning filly by Montjeu

A crap race form wise, run at a ridiculously slow pace, I wouldn't trust the form for a second. It will be interesting to see how Talent comes out of this race, she needed a fast pace as did Libertarian in the Derby. Will be having a punt on both of them if they run in a race like the Leger or Arc.

The first Gp1 winning 3yo filly ever by him and only the third ever Gp1 winning filly or mare he's produced and the other two were in Canada.

Did he have a stint in the Southern Hemisphere as a Stallion? He seems to have done well in Aus and even had a 5yo 7f Gp1 winner in New Zealand.


http://www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_home.sd?horse_id=716511#topHorseTabs=horse_race_record&bottomHorseTabs=horse_form

UrbanSea

Was going to say I remember Miss Keller winning one out in Woodbine the other one's name evades me.


Don't think he was down there but seemingly did well which is surprising given how Galileos did terrible in Australia who like them early. One of the reasons id be unsure of So You Think down there at a big price, strange how High Chap does so well there he gets a totally different type in Europe predominantly

sismorr

Hi, Did anyone place a bet on yesterdays race in Newbury at 1.05. I did and when it won I was told they weren't covering it. It was on the paper and on the screen in the bookies and I watched the race there after placing the bet.