High Court application to stop woman travelling for abortion ‘against her will’

Sir Humphrey Appleby

This is a case that is likely, whatever the outcome, to inflame the already heated abortion debate, and that may also have repecussions with respect to the rights of Fathers of "unborn" children.
My thoughts go out to both the girl and her boyfriend.
In a unique set of circumstances the case centres around abortion, fathers/mens rights, race, and the right to travel.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/high-court-hears-application-to-stop-woman-travelling-for-abortion-against-her-will-29427878.html

Mr Benevolent

This isn't Facebook.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

This isn't Facebook.

I post a thread with alink on a case that involves the heated subjects of Abortion, mens/fathers rights, and race , and thats the best you can reply with?

Matt_Trakker

Abortions for all. Boo!
No abortions for anyone. Boo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgrcotUpbww

Old and grey

Old and grey wrote: »

I post a thread with alink on a case that involves the heated subjects of Abortion, mens/fathers rights, and race , and thats the best you can reply with?

In his defence, this was in your post before you edited it.

ShareThis Copy and Paste

I'm sure that's what he was referring to.

Now let's move on.

Lelantos

Old and grey wrote: »

I post a thread with alink on a case that involves the heated subjects of Abortion, mmens/fathers rights, and race , and thats the best you can reply with?

You've posted a page from the Indo that is short on fact & heavy on insinuation & using catchall phrases like "foreign nationals" Some actual evidence or fact would be nice

Matt_Trakker

Lelantos wrote: »

Some actual evidence or fact would be nice

I think the so-called 'fact' that it's an actual court case should probably be enough for ya there Ted.

December2012

I wonder what the girls age is.

It's an interesting case, in the report it says that he is amenable to her having the termination if it can be proven she's doing it by her own choice.

But how is that even provable?

jhegarty

Lelantos wrote: »

You've posted a page from the Indo that is short on fact & heavy on insinuation & using catchall phrases like "foreign nationals" Some actual evidence or fact would be nice

More info on rte:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0717/463035-high-court-abortion/

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Deleted User wrote: »

In his defence, this was in your post before you edited it.



I'm sure that's what he was referring to.

Now let's move on.

Apologies that came with the link:o my bad

It seems less about fathers rights and more about "not being kidnapped" rights

I Heart Internet

^^bluewolf has it right.

Interesting.

I may not like it but a woman has the right to travel for an abortion if she so wishes.

It seems from reports (Irish Times and RTE) that the father of the unborn child is claiming that the girl's parents are forcing her to travel for an abortion because they are horrified that she is having a baby with a "non-European" man. The father of the unborn child says he'll support her whatever she wants but wants to be sure that she is making the decision and not her parents.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

It is a very difficult case, obviously, as stated in court he feels she is being forced to have an abortion by her family, mainly on the grounds of his race.
It is difficult to see what either the courts or the Attorney Generals role would be in this case unless the AG intends to to represent the interest of the unborn whose has certain rights under the constitution.

maguic24

No one should be forced to have an abortion. It should always be a choice. So sad and unfortunately this type of thing happens!

I'm sure youth defence will be quick to highlight this case and blame it on all of us 'pro-aborts'. I really don't think people understand that those of us that are pro-choice ARE actually pro-choice.

My heart goes out to the couple, especially the girl if she is being coerced into having an abortion. If she is, hopefully the boyfriend will be successfully in getting the injunction.

SEPT 23 1989

Perfect timing:rolleyes:

Lelantos

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I think the so-called 'fact' that it's an actual court case should probably be enough for ya there Ted.

No court case yet Dougal, another hearing today.

Larbre34

On the face of it the abortion should be irrelevant here. The right to travel has been established. The issue before the court will be to determine coercion to a course of action, one way or the other.

However, it could also open blow open the can of worms as regards fathers rights!

Sir Humphrey Appleby

bluewolf wrote: »

It seems less about fathers rights and more about "not being kidnapped" rights

Well in the first place he may have to show that he has legal standing to bring the case and gain the injuction, would his standing not be related to his claim to be the father of the child?
I could be wrong but as I understand it Fathers of unborn children have few if any rights, so this case may, and I say may bring some clarity to that.

Seachmall

Old and grey wrote: »

Well in the first place he may have to show that he has legal standing to bring the case and gain the injuction, would his standing not be related to his claim to be the father of the child?

Not necessarily, it's possible that anyone can bring an injunction if they feel someone is being coerced into leaving the country for an abortion.

I'd be interested to hear more about it though.

Amirani

I'd be very interested to know the age of the girl in question. From my reading of the fairly vague article, the boyfriend's position seems to be fairly sensible i.e. happy to agree to whatever choice to woman makes herself. Her parents should be ashamed of themselves if they're forcing her into this.

humanji

I'm locking this as the case is before the courts.