What ye paying for milkings?

kevthegaff

i have 2 lads i get 30 euros a milking, takes me 11/2hrs in morning 1 in the evening. What are ye paying, am i underpaying?

maxxuumman

kevthegaff wrote: »

i have 2 lads i get 30 euros a milking, takes me 11/2hrs in morning 1 in the evening. What are ye paying, am i underpaying?

I have a guy that comes in every 2nd weekend. He gets €50 euros/milking on weekends. If I need him weekdays €40. Milking times are around the same as yours. Hard to get someone good. This guy is fine, so I'm paying him a bit more than the going rate around here.

delaval

We pay the milkers €100/ day and the cows are in the yard and returned to paddock. They will bring if necessary and we pay €10 extra.
They do 12 milking s per week. They are contractors so take care of tax etc. one herd is Spring so that guy is off for winter, winter/spring one he gets same money even when numbers drop and milking takes an hour

whelan1

40 per milking here

Timmaay

35 usually, 40 on a sunday. Only got this chap recently, use to use frs before, but that tended to be a lottery! Chap I have now seems very good, takes his time and does it right, he'd hopefully get to learn my herd over time also, best thing about having the same person in the whole time.

lakill Farm

its good money for 1.5/2hours work.

whelan1

lakill Farm wrote: »

its good money for 1.5/2hours work.

not really, if they do the job right, i wouldnt mind what i'd pay

mf240

lakill Farm wrote: »

its good money for 1.5/2hours work.

And that's from an accountant.

lakill Farm

whelan1 wrote: »

not really, if they do the job right, i wouldnt mind what i'd pay

I agree. I cringe when you tell me the trouble you have when your away.

I use to work with a farmer in 2000 and i was on £2 an hour. I worked hard and i cared about the work i did and quality of work. Its about caring.

Muckit

lakill Farm wrote: »

its good money for 1.5/2hours work.

lad I know building a house has a labourer for €50 cash a DAY

moy83

Muckit wrote: »

lad I know building a house has a labourer for €50 cash a DAY

:eek:

Dampintheattic

Muckit wrote: »

lad I know building a house has a labourer for €50 cash a DAY[/

Is he on SW as well?

Muckit

ah daaahh... yeah :rolleyes: Black economy alive and well.

moy83

Muckit wrote: »

ah daaahh... yeah :rolleyes: Black economy alive and well.

So really the fella building the house and the doler are being subsidised by the taxpayer .

Lofty0990

whelan1 wrote: »

40 per milking here

Without been nosey ,is that c--h or cheque, and if it's the first what's the story re insurance for injury to man or beast or a dodgey tank of milk even ?

Afraid of my life to get anyone other that FRS re above.

Timmaay

Lofty0990 wrote: »

Afraid of my life to get anyone other that FRS re above.

Out of interest what does the FRS cover??? I know several years ago a FRS relief milker once forgot to close the valve on the bulk tank, 400L or so of milk pissed down the drain before he spotted it! I'm fairly sure we never did get anything out of them to cover the value of the lost milk, despite it clearly being their fault!!

But anyways, to answer your original question, no concrete agreement here with the milker if anything did happen I'll admit, but just simple as is have a basic system that works and stick to it, mine is double red tape on the tail for cows to be held, draft her around and milk at the finish, then hang a bucket off the jar so you dont forget to hold the milk, once the milker follows this there is almost no chance of letting her milk off. The chap I have I know does a good job and I trust him, if I didn't he wouldn't be in the parlour simple as is, and unfortunately my experience of the FRS is it can be a lottery, with some chaps with very little interest in your herd, get in and out as quick as possible, and move onto the next farm as they are doublebooked!

Mulumpy

Timmaay wrote: »

Out of interest what does the FRS cover??? I know several years ago a FRS relief milker once forgot to close the valve on the bulk tank, 400L or so of milk pissed down the drain before he spotted it! I'm fairly sure we never did get anything out of them to cover the value of the lost milk, despite it clearly being their fault!!

But anyways, to answer your original question, no concrete agreement here with the milker if anything did happen I'll admit, but just simple as is have a basic system that works and stick to it, mine is double red tape on the tail for cows to be held, draft her around and milk at the finish, then hang a bucket off the jar so you dont forget to hold the milk, once the milker follows this there is almost no chance of letting her milk off. The chap I have I know does a good job and I trust him, if I didn't he wouldn't be in the parlour simple as is, and unfortunately my experience of the FRS is it can be a lottery, with some chaps with very little interest in your herd, get in and out as quick as possible, and move onto the next farm as they are doublebooked!

Ive a regular lad I pay through frs super lad never an issue. He's on hols for a week so have new lad coming tomorrow bit nervous cos ya bever know what way it upsets the cows.

whelan1

Lofty0990 wrote: »

Without been nosey ,is that c--h or cheque, and if it's the first what's the story re insurance for injury to man or beast or a dodgey tank of milk even ?

Afraid of my life to get anyone other that FRS re above.

never ever paycash for milkings. i either pay for diesel in local shop for them or as i have done this year i paid the insurance for the guys car in lieu of milkings. Worked out grand til guy left last week owing me over 400 euro for milkings- but i will sort it out:D

kevthegaff

whelan1 wrote: »

never ever paycash for milkings. i either pay for diesel in local shop for them or as i have done this year i paid the insurance for the guys car in lieu of milkings. Worked out grand til guy left last week owing me over 400 euro for milkings- but i will sort it out:D

did ye pay in advance, 2 lads i have are young, one better than the other lad but know the cows and the setup. they are also only within a mile away

whelan1

Some of it was payment for work done and rest was in advance. I also have another lad and i do the same for him. I never ever pay cash

td5man

Neighbour pays €50/milking 50 cows
lad forgot to switch on milk tank and lost two milkings
The relief milker has milkers himself and would be very good at what he does,but it shows what can happen.

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

Neighbour pays €50/milking 50 cows
lad forgot to switch on milk tank and lost two milkings
The relief milker has milkers himself and would be very good at what he does,but it shows what can happen.

sure we all make mistakes, happens to the best of us, just a pain in the arse when you are paying someone and they mess up

Timmaay

whelan1 wrote: »

sure we all make mistakes, happens to the best of us, just a pain in the arse when you are paying someone and they mess up

True, but its the attitude that you have to all of this, and having afew simple rules in place to avoid mistakes as such, I remember once or twice forgetting to turn on the tank back when I start milking full time, thankfully my dad spotted it at the end of the milking. But anyways, my dads simple rule was you always always turn on the tank just after you turn off the washer, no exceptions. I always glance at the temp of the tank when removing the pipe also, it will tell me quick if anything is amiss, I try get the milker to follow a similar routine to what I do.

whelan1

i always check the dairy after i have put the first row on....leave all gates set at end of milking for next milking

Dampintheattic

Timmaay wrote: »

True, but its the attitude that you have to all of this, and having afew simple rules in place to avoid mistakes as such, I remember once or twice forgetting to turn on the tank back when I start milking full time, thankfully my dad spotted it at the end of the milking. But anyways, my dads simple rule was you always always turn on the tank just after you turn off the washer, no exceptions. I always glance at the temp of the tank when removing the pipe also, it will tell me quick if anything is amiss, I try get the milker to follow a similar routine to what I do.

For a relief / part time milker, checklist, checklist, checklist.
Important tasks listed. Lad ticks off one by one. Signs the dotted line.
Simple. As in hotels. Proper hotels that is.

td5man

Dampintheattic wrote: »

For a relief / part time milker, checklist, checklist, checklist.
Important tasks listed. Lad ticks off one by one. Signs the dotted line.
Simple. As in hotels. Proper hotels that is.

Was in a parlour recently and the milking routine was printed out a put up on the wall. A step by step checklist.

whelan1

In honesty alot of the guys milking know it already and no checklist where ever situated will be adhered to

milkprofit

whelan1 wrote: »

never ever paycash for milkings. i either pay for diesel in local shop for them or as i have done this year i paid the insurance for the guys car in lieu of milkings. Worked out grand til guy left last week owing me over 400 euro for milkings- but i will sort it out:D

This the same as paying cash
If anything happens to him her u are responsible
both for injury ortheir tax

Timmaay

Hmmmm yes in terms of injury its like cash, in terms of their tax, it means nothing to you at all, its up to them to declare any cash, or benifits in kind, such as free diesel as an income? However what happens with the receipt for the diesel? Is there any issue in you putting it down in your books as a valid expense, I suppose not if they genuinely used that diesel for travelling to their place of work (ie your farm), but it all sounds like abit of a grey area?

whelan1

out of interest how do other people pay? cash is drawings is it not?

Mulumpy

whelan1 wrote: »

out of interest how do other people pay? cash is drawings is it not?

Direct debit

milkprofit

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmmmm yes in terms of injury its like cash, in terms of their tax, it means nothing to you at all, its up to them to declare any cash, or benifits in kind, such as free diesel as an income? However what happens with the receipt for the diesel? Is there any issue in you putting it down in your books as a valid expense, I suppose not if they genuinely used that diesel for travelling to their place of work (ie your farm), but it all sounds like abit of a grey area?

You are liable for to collect tax unless u get a receipt from the person who is self employed contractor
yes they can declare benefit in kind but u collect tax and make tax return