Moped licence, have full B from Sep 06

tw0nk

Hi All,

Since move to city, thinking of buying moped for commute instead of car, I understand I need an M licence for a moped but I have read on boards that if I have a B licence issued from september 2006 I might be able to get the M part added to my licence.

Is this true? Does anyone know how to go about this?

Faith+1

Is it marked on your licence OP?

tw0nk

Hi Faith+1,

Nope, its not marked on drivers licence, only the "B" part is parked with start and end date, I found this on the rsa website(http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Licensed-Drivers/Driving-licence/About-your-license/Driving-license-categories/):

Moped: Where a person was issued the category B full licence prior to 21 October 2006 that also covered them to ride mopeds and therefore are entitled to the moped category AM provided the category B licence has not expired for more than 10 years.

I was wondering does it have to be marked or if Im correct in my interpretation that Gardai would know that prior to that date B licence is ok?

tw0nk

Emailed the RSA and they very helpfully replied that since I got my full B licence issued before 21 Oct 2006 it also applies to Mopeds of 50cc.

jungle jim

Got my full B licence in july 2008. Do I need to do the IBT now to get 50cc moped? Thinking of getting one for commute to town thought it would be handy but if IBT applies then would leave it. Bloke in scooter island was saying once I have licemce pre oct 2008 im ok but now im not sure. Anyone know for sure?

Faith+1

jungle jim wrote: »

Got my full B licence in july 2008. Do I need to do the IBT now to get 50cc moped? Thinking of getting one for commute to town thought it would be handy but if IBT applies then would leave it. Bloke in scooter island was saying once I have licemce pre oct 2008 im ok but now im not sure. Anyone know for sure?

It's pre Oct '06. Unfortunately you'd have to do the Theory, IBT etc to ride on the road.

jungle jim

Faith+1 wrote: »

It's pre Oct '06. Unfortunately you'd have to do the Theory, IBT etc to ride on the road.

Cheers for reply thats put me right off what a racker :~(

Motor-Ed

jungle jim wrote: »

Cheers for reply thats put me right off what a racker :~(

Racket?
The fact that motor bikers are the only group who's stats have not changed and this year are actually increasing.
If the new regs are stopping you from getting on a moped and taking to busy streets without any training, then maybe saved your or someone serious injury or possibly death.
If that's a racket then long may it continue.

jungle jim

Yes total racket I am 31 not some 16 yo boy racer and I drove mopeds for two years living in paris so dont see the need to pay someone 500 quid to show me how to sit on a bike. That said I can see benefit for first time drivers under 25 or so but thats it. Anyway looks like ill be sticking to the push bike.

HurtLocker

Motor-Ed wrote: »

Racket?
The fact that motor bikers are the only group who's stats have not changed and this year are actually increasing.
If the new regs are stopping you from getting on a moped and taking to busy streets without any training, then maybe saved your or someone serious injury or possibly death.
If that's a racket then long may it continue.

A moped is literally a bike with a small motor. I've seen cyclists overtake them.

Hell if you get bored, you can by a bigger motor off the internet, attach it to your push bike and ride uninsured and without any licence as it would be a motor assisted push bike. You must kept the pedals.

If you've a full B you could be taught to ride a moped in an hour for €60.A new theory test for €40 and an IBT for a couple hundred euros is a money racket. And new licence for €30, followed by a test for €80.

I know a couple of lads aged 18 on L plates for cat B for over a year. Not one edt done between them, no interest in doing the test. Basically got there permit and away they went. Of course for their night cruising they take down the L plates cause they're cool :cool:

Are you saying a moped requires more initial instruction to learn for a full B licence holder to ride on a public street. Than it does to let a newly 17 year old in an actual car capable of well over 45kmh to set behind the wheel for the first time. Because that's what this current system suggests.

Faith+1

HurtLocker wrote: »

Are you saying a moped requires more initial instruction to learn for a full B licence holder to ride on a public street. Than it does to let a newly 17 year old in an actual car capable of well over 45kmh to set behind the wheel for the first time. Because that's what this current system suggests.

A moped is a lot more dangerous to ride than a car. With a car you have the cage, side protection bars, airbag, seatbelts etc... On a moped you have nothing to protect you other than the gear you're wearing. So the IBT is essential for new riders.

Motor-Ed

HurtLocker wrote: »

A moped is literally a bike with a small motor. I've seen cyclists overtake them.

Hell if you get bored, you can by a bigger motor off the internet, attach it to your push bike and ride uninsured and without any licence as it would be a motor assisted push bike. You must kept the pedals.

If you've a full B you could be taught to ride a moped in an hour for €60.A new theory test for €40 and an IBT for a couple hundred euros is a money racket. And new licence for €30, followed by a test for €80.

I know a couple of lads aged 18 on L plates for cat B for over a year. Not one edt done between them, no interest in doing the test. Basically got there permit and away they went. Of course for their night cruising they take down the L plates cause they're cool :cool:

Are you saying a moped requires more initial instruction to learn for a full B licence holder to ride on a public street. Than it does to let a newly 17 year old in an actual car capable of well over 45kmh to set behind the wheel for the first time. Because that's what this current system suggests.

Why confuse the issue by dragging in B category.
Lets deal with the subject. Conditions for acquiring a licence have to be general to cover the multitude. All you have to do is look round during the recent good weather and all the "fools" from every age group riding round with a helmet and a pair of shorts. All these things are "cool" until you're being skinned to the bone sliding down the Tarmac, even at speeds below 45k.

Wait til you see the changes coming for Cat B in 2013 Road Traffic Bill the "racketeers" will have loads of new fodder to chew over.

jungle jim

So at least ive confirmed I need to do IBT. Ive been in touch eith rsa and they said I can drive on my own without having done IBT once I have my learner permit but obviously to get full licence need to complete IBT. Does this sound right? Citizens information website reads like you cannot drive unaccompanied until IBT is completed. Anyone know for sure?

endacl

jungle jim wrote: »

Anyway looks like ill be sticking to the push bike.

So its actually good news? Cheaper to buy, practically free to run, and you'll get fit?

Make some good lemonade outta those lemons!

Faith+1

jungle jim wrote: »

So at least ive confirmed I need to do IBT. Ive been in touch eith rsa and they said I can drive on my own without having done IBT once I have my learner permit but obviously to get full licence need to complete IBT. Does this sound right? Citizens information website reads like you cannot drive unaccompanied until IBT is completed. Anyone know for sure?

Wrong. You need to have IBT completed before riding on your own.

http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Motorcyclists/Initial-basic-training-IBT-for-motorcyclists/Certificate-of-Satisfactory-Completion/

Motor-Ed

Faith+1 wrote: »

Wrong. You need to have IBT completed before riding on your own.

http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Motorcyclists/Initial-basic-training-IBT-for-motorcyclists/Certificate-of-Satisfactory-Completion/

The insurance companies will normally give you 28 days cover to get IBT done then withdraw it if not completed

Faith+1

But is that not encouraging new riders to break the ROTR based on the RSA guidelines .i.e needing IBT before riding on their own?

Motor-Ed

Faith+1 wrote: »

But is that not encouraging new riders to break the ROTR based on the RSA guidelines .i.e needing IBT before riding on their own?

No, legally, there're not allowed out on their own, it's to allow them use their own bike for training
I just think the interesting point here is how insurance companies treat bikers as opposed to car drivers, as commented earlier if a young driver was required to prove they're taking part in EDT or taking tests and failing etc then maybe their premium could reflect this.

jungle jim

well i think either the RSA dont know their own rules or there is confusion generally on the specifics of the rules. I have been in contact with the RSA licensing section and asked the following "...to ride alone do i need to complete the IBT first, even if i hold a learner permit"
the reply was "no, categories a1, a2, a or am (mopeds) (& W tractor) are exempt from this stipulation as the design of the vehicle may not have the capability to accomodate multiple persons".

To me that means you can ride a moped alone on a learner permit but to apply for full licence you must complete the IBT.

Motor-Ed

jungle jim wrote: »

well i think either the RSA dont know their own rules or there is confusion generally on the specifics of the rules. I have been in contact with the RSA licensing section and asked the following "...to ride alone do i need to complete the IBT first, even if i hold a learner permit"
the reply was "no, categories a1, a2, a or am (mopeds) (& W tractor) are exempt from this stipulation as the design of the vehicle may not have the capability to accomodate multiple persons".

To me that means you can ride a moped alone on a learner permit but to apply for full licence you must complete the IBT.

I thought you weren't interested!

When I say riding alone I mean the rider is accompanied, but not on the same bike. The on road element (there's compound and classroom elements) is done bike to bike via 2 way radio.