Dublin, Favorites to win the All- Ireland?

deadybai

Do you think after todays Leinster final win over Galway, Dublin are the favorites to win the All-Ireland?

They have already beaten the two best teams from 2012, Kilkenny and Galway. Surely the are the new favorites.

Personally I would have Kilkenny as my favorites as I have a rule of never backing against them. However, they looked far superior against them in the two semi final games. Are Galway to be completely written off? What are Limerick or Corks All-Ireland chances?

Thoughts please.

Pudders

No, kk still favourites with Fennelly and Shefflin to come back fully. Dublin is great today but don't get carried away.

corny

Dublin are second favourites with the bookies. Kilkenny and Galway have lots of room for improvement and Limerick, Cork, Clare etc are capable sides. Dublin have their chance, like the rest.

deadybai

Pudders wrote: »

No, kk still favourites with Fennelly and Shefflin to come back fully. Dublin is great today but don't get carried away.

Yep id agree. Shefflin looked very good yesterday in his cameo.

Just to say though, Dublin deserve to be the favorites after their performances so far. Its just unfortunate for them the greatest team of all time are still in the championship

deadybai

corny wrote: »

Dublin are second favourites with the bookies. Kilkenny and Galway have lots of room for improvement and Limerick, Cork, Clare etc are capable sides. Dublin have their chance, like the rest.

I'm looking to see who do YOU think is the favorite? In your own personal opinion.

Fbjm

Ah would you stop, the hype is what kills us every year. Let's just take it one match at a time.

deadybai

Fbjm wrote: »

Ah would you stop, the hype is what kills us every year. Let's just take it one match at a time.

Im an Kilkenny fan myself. Ye completely outplayed us in not one but TWO games and hammered Galway. Thats the two best teams in last years championship.

And to say that its 'the hype that kills us every year', its not every year ye win the Leinster championship.

Diabhal Beag

Galway made them out to be All-Ireland favourites and don't get me wrong they're second best in the country but KK are a different beast come September. Enjoy the win, it mightn't come again so soon

Fbjm

deadybai wrote: »

Im an Kilkenny fan myself. Ye completely outplayed us in not one but TWO games and hammered Galway. Thats the two best teams in last years championship.

And to say that its 'the hype that kills us every year', its not every year ye win the Leinster championship.

Yeah but look at the football, every year we walk through it because there's no competition in Leinster and the papers are all like "Dublin sail to All-Ireland victory, 20XX", then we draw Kerry or something in the quarterfinals and next thing you know we have a repeat of 2009.

deadybai

deadybai wrote: »

Do you think after todays Leinster final win over Galway, Dublin are the favorites to win the All-Ireland?

They have already beaten the two best teams from 2012, Kilkenny and Galway. Surely the are the new favorites.

Personally I would have Kilkenny as my favorites as I have a rule of never backing against them. However, they looked far superior against them in the two semi final games. Are Galway to be completely written off? What are Limerick or Corks All-Ireland chances?

Thoughts please.

The problem is they could meet either again and thats where the conundrum is. Its amazing enough they beat Kilkenny after a replay but it would be astonishing if they beat them the third time the teams have met this year and if/when they meet the Tribe yet it could also be a different story

deadybai

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem is they could meet either again and thats where the conundrum is. Its amazing enough they beat Kilkenny after a replay but it would be astonishing if they beat them the third time the teams have met this year and if/when they meet the Tribe yet it could also be a different story

I would fancy Dublin to beat Galway again. Maybe not the Cats

Red Crow

deadybai wrote: »

I would fancy Dublin to beat Galway again. Maybe not the Cats

I would fancy the Dubs to beat both again. I think Dublin's problem is that they have peaked far too early this year. They have had a decent run since the KK but they were poor against Wexford twice. It'll be hard to keep the intensity up during this long period of rest they have now.

I don't like KK's forwards at all this year. Who knows if Shefflin will be back to his best and what contribution he can make from open play.

With the likes of Paul Murphy, Tommy Walsh, Michael Fennelly and Henry Shefflin I won't be writing off Kilkenny but Dublin should of beaten them in the first game too and Dublin are the form side. If Dublin can keep it up I don't see why they can't win the Liam McCarthy.

I hope Dubliner stuck that few quid on the Dubs like he said he was going to.

Morte

As well as missing a few players, Kilkenny also played a number of lads in the two matches who clearly weren't fit. There's no basis for saying Dublin are now better than them. It won't be a walkover but you'd have to fancy Kilkenny if they even have a reasonably clean bill of health.

The one big factor for Dublin is that they only have 2 matches left. Everybody else has 3/4 to play. That would put them at short odds with the bookies for the moment.

Dublin have pushed on big style from the first day out where they were dire and made no issue of the 5 weeks in a row. They played some superb hurling at times today and will put it up to anyone but now is where we will see have they got it when things go up a notch.

Its difficult to overestimate how awful Galway were today but 2-25 with plenty more chances missed is serious scoring.

Kilkenny are slipping but with the 3 lads to come back I'd fancy them if they were to meet Dublin again, the Dubs best hope is that someone knocks out KK for them.

They look certain to win an All-Ireland in the near future though if they keep things together but they have been a bit of a yo-yo team in recent years.

corny

deadybai wrote: »

I'm looking to see who do YOU think is the favorite? In your own personal opinion.

I'd go with the bookies. There's life in KK yet.

marco_polo

Still not sure the Dubs are getting quite as much credit as they deserve, don't get me wrong wouldn't have them as raging hot favorites or anything like that but of all the contenders remaining they have certainly stuck their hand up the highest so far in the championship.

You certainly you can't write off the Cats, Of the rest I think only Limerick, Cork and Galway if they get their act together could have real hope of winning it I feel.

Its shaping up to be an interesting August anyway thats for sure.

PTH2009

kilkenny vs Dublin all ireland final.

Semis will be

Clare vs Dublin
Kilkenny vs Limerick (Munster Champions)

Dyr

I don't care, i never thought id see a dublin team play this kind of hurling. A leinster title and a young team with strength in depth, everything else is jam

Mountainlad

Well, Kilkenny rightly or wrongly are favourites to win the all-ireland. It doesn't rewally matter who is favourites, the odds have been over turned plenty of times already this year. Expecting a few upsets before the year is finished too.

Dublin have won a hard fought Leinster title, but they were far from convincing against Wexford. They have banished many demons, the hard games stood to them but they now have a 5 week layoff, something they've never had to deal with and plenty of hype.

The Dubs will enjoy this headline now http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0617/ireland/dubs-in-danger-of-cats-mauling-234334.html but it was written on the evidence of two performances against Wexford. Obviously, we all failed to account for the value of competitive games when assessing their match against Kilkenny. But the fact remains that Galway didn't have the competitive games Dublin had, or the desire. They can still comeback strong, though I'm not going to say they will as every game from now on will be a serious battle and they have several issues to iron out.

But the point I would make is don't dismiss Limerick or Cork. Kilkenny are favourites for beating Tipp by 3 points at home, which is no more than Limerick did. Cork hammered a Clare side that people are still talking about as having a say this year. Both sides were out in their first game, both will improve.

In my mind this is a really exciting championship, because the only team with proven pedigree have been beaten once already and look tired. They certainly won't be easily beaten but you're fooling yourself if you think they've a gimme all-ireland ahead of them. Four tough games they'll have to win, if they can make it that far. And should they get knocked out, it's anybody's game.

Concannon7

What makes you think Galway didn't have the desire?

Kilkenny would still be my favourites and if they get on a run now they will be hard to stop.

After that there is very little overall between Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway. Id probably include Waterford and Clare with those teams too. While I don't think there has been that many great matches this year at least the Championship seems more open than normal.

corny

PTH2009 wrote: »

kilkenny vs Dublin all ireland final.

Semis will be

Clare vs Dublin
Kilkenny vs Limerick (Munster Champions)

Jesus i'd wet myself if i could see a Dublin V KK and a Dublin V Donegal final this year.

The betting means nothing in the hurling. Every side will fancy themselves if they get the performance right on the day.

aidan24326

Dublin were outstanding on Sunday but they will still need two more huge performances to win the All-Ireland.

The danger now is that they run into Kilkenny again in the semi final. It would be a tall order to go and beat them again. Not out of the question but certainly a big ask.

Dublin are the form team for sure but expectations are rising accordingly.

Floppybits

As much as I would like to say we are favorites, I dont think we are. I would make KK favorites followed by Galway. My reasoning for this is that these teams are going to be playing tough qualifier matches and quarter final matches so by the time the semi finals come around these teams will be motoring again. Unfortunately for Dublin I think having the 5 week break is going to be there undoing. If it was a 3 -4 week turn around then yeah I would have us as favorites, but it is going to hard for the lads to keep the intensity up for the next 5 weeks. I hope they can and it would be great for us to get to a Hurling final but I just think the 5 week break is not in our favour.

Jamie Cal

I reckon it could be a bit like Cork and Kerry in football; we'll beat Kerry in the Provencal but not fancy it in the All-Ireland. That said, ye definitely are a very strong contender. I mean, usually the case when you see a lower side (no disrespect) get a draw with the bigger side, you say "ah, they had their chance", but to actually come out the 2nd day and batter 'em was incredible. And 5 weeks straight to beat Galway is savage too. So yeah, could be yer' year, it hasn't been this open in a long long while. I'm hoping Dubs play the cats and beat 'em again (as they're the only team I, as a Corkman, would be truly afraid of) and we get a Dubs vs. Rebels All-Ireland! What craic that'd be.

coolisin

I just can't see us being favourites to win it, yeah we conquered Leinster the hard way.

But this 5 week gap will only go against the momentum they were building, only good thing is there may be a great crowd at the semi final now, which may help.

And here is hoping the hype machine doesn't get to over the top. Whatever happens amazing year.

But favourites no, with the Cats, Galway and Cork still there it's hard to be favourites, and not forgetting Limerick and Clare.

Concentrate on the semi final and just look at doing the best they can in that game first, and see what opponent they get landed with!

deadybai

coolisin wrote: »

I just can't see us being favourites to win it, yeah we conquered Leinster the hard way.

But this 5 week gap will only go against the momentum they were building, only good thing is there may be a great crowd at the semi final now, which may help.

And here is hoping the hype machine doesn't get to over the top. Whatever happens amazing year.

But favourites no, with the Cats, Galway and Cork still there it's hard to be favourites, and not forgetting Limerick and Clare.

Concentrate on the semi final and just look at doing the best they can in that game first, and see what opponent they get landed with!

seems to me that dublin problem is the way the gaa have structured the championship.

Please Gaa, change the format. Champions league style will do.

Mountainlad

Galway_mad_bhoy wrote: »

What makes you think Galway didn't have the desire?

Kilkenny would still be my favourites and if they get on a run now they will be hard to stop.

After that there is very little overall between Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway. Id probably include Waterford and Clare with those teams too. While I don't think there has been that many great matches this year at least the Championship seems more open than normal.

I mean the desire to win Leinster. Even last year it wass about beating Kilkenny, not winning Leinster.

Of the two teams, who wiuld you think it meant more too? And that is one of the reasons I wouldn't discount them moving on, this defeat might actually do them some good. But you don't know with Galway, not a team to talk up because when they're touted to win they fail far too often.

Concannon7

I would say it would mean more to Dublin because they hadn't won it in so long and they needed it to continue their breakthrough.

But I don't agree with the reasoning Galway don't care about Leinster because they are a Connacht team. For years they argued to move to Leinster and now when they lose its because they don't have the desire? Sports is full of teams moving from one conference or league to another, one that they may not have any links too but it doesn't ever mean they take it any less seriously. Not only was there a cup at stake but a S/F spot too. If we didn't have a similar desire as other teams in the Leinster Championship there is something wrong.

Mountainlad

Galway_mad_bhoy wrote: »

I would say it would mean more to Dublin because they hadn't won it in so long and they needed it to continue their breakthrough.

But I don't agree with the reasoning Galway don't care about Leinster because they are a Connacht team. For years they argued to move to Leinster and now when they lose its because they don't have the desire? Sports is full of teams moving from one conference or league to another, one that they may not have any links too but it doesn't ever mean they take it any less seriously. Not only was there a cup at stake but a S/F spot too. If we didn't have a similar desire as other teams in the Leinster Championship there is something wrong.

A similar desire to a team that's been in Leinster forever, and hadn't won it in 65 years or something like that? Not a hope. Galway are in Leinster to get more competitive games, and have a second chance if they lose and a better route to the latter stages of the championship. They had to beat Laois to make it to the quarters (which was just the way it fell), that's why they're their.

Dublin fought like a team trying to win an all-ireland. You'll see similar from Limerick on Sunday, and probably Cork too because it feels to them like its been an age since they won a Munster. Pauric Joyce said Galway are training since September, you talk of an all-ireland semi at place. The only thing that was on the Dublin teams mind was winning a Leinster title, it's a big step for them. For galway, they won it last year, they believe they can beat Kilkenny and thus anybody. It doesn't mean the same to them, it's a fact.
I'm not saying they went out with no intention of trying, but the savage determination Dublin had was never going to be matched by Galway on the day. It might later on the year, when what Galway want is at stake.