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How does a ranking system work?
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07-07-2013 8:18am#1Hi
So I'm going to to try explain this as best I can and hopefully someone out there can explain it as I am unsure of a few things. Basically when a season ends, does the rankings start from scratch after the first tournament of a new season is played or is it usually better to do rankings on a two year rolling system,
I have seen rankings that say provisonal alongside the main ranking but what does this mean?
Can someone please explain it to me and how seeding works too.0
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Also for example just say you finish 15th on the rankings at end of year, when the following season starts, if the top 16 automatically qualify for a tournament, does this mean the top 16 ranked at end of previous will get automatic qualification for all tournaments of present season or is it judged on provisional rankings during the year. So say if I finished 16th the year before, and then after first event of new season I'm provisionally ranked 20th does that mean I won't automatically qualify for next tournament because I'm provisionally 20th or will i qualify for them all that season since I finished in the top 16 the previous one.0
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Greenbaize wrote: »Hi
So I'm going to to try explain this as best I can and hopefully someone out there can explain it as I am unsure of a few things. Basically when a season ends, does the rankings start from scratch after the first tournament of a new season is played or is it usually better to do rankings on a two year rolling system,
I have seen rankings that say provisonal alongside the main ranking but what does this mean?
Can someone please explain it to me and how seeding works too.
Is it specifically the snooker rankings you are interested in or ranking systems in particular.
Different sports do it different ways, but in general its a rolling system, it doesn't reset at the start of the year.
Some sports do a one year system (golf) two years (darts), some a weighted four year average (FIFA football rankings, weighted such that the most recent years count most).
(The only time there would be a reset would be for a 'race' event, where say that the top 16/32 players get invited to a big end of year tourney like the Masters Series in Tennis or Race to Dubai in golf. But these are seperate from the concept of rankings)
In snooker for events for which the Top 16 are invited there is usually a cutoff point x months before the event. The Top 16 at that time are the top 16 for the tournament.
Seedings are just a method to seperate the best players into different sides of the draw so that they don't meet til an appointed time.
A basic Top 16 seeding draw would be this.
1v16
8v9
4v13
5v12
2v15
7v10
6v11
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ArmaniJeanss wrote: »Is it specifically the snooker rankings you are interested in or ranking systems in particular.
Different sports do it different ways, but in general its a rolling system, it doesn't reset at the start of the year.
Some sports do a one year system (golf) two years (darts), some a weighted four year average (FIFA football rankings, weighted such that the most recent years count most).
(The only time there would be a reset would be for a 'race' event, where say that the top 16/32 players get invited to a big end of year tourney like the Masters Series in Tennis or Race to Dubai in golf. But these are seperate from the concept of rankings)
In snooker for events for which the Top 16 are invited there is usually a cutoff point x months before the event. The Top 16 at that time are the top 16 for the tournament.
Seedings are just a method to seperate the best players into different sides of the draw so that they don't meet til an appointed time.
A basic Top 16 seeding draw would be this.
1v16
8v9
4v13
5v12
2v15
7v10
6v11
3v14
Yes but in snooker if the top 16 qualify for the events, is the top 16 judged from the final top 16 ranked from previous season with them guaranteed qualification for that season or does it go by the provisional rankings for that year. So say you finished 14th the previous year, and now your provisionally ranked 18th going into the next event. Does that mean you will have to qualify for it or since you finished in the top 16 from last season are you considered a top 16 Player for all events of a new season regardless of your provisional ranking until that seasons final ranking event is over.0 -
Greenbaize wrote: »Yes but in snooker if the top 16 qualify for the events, is the top 16 judged from the final top 16 ranked from previous season with them guaranteed qualification for that season or does it go by the provisional rankings for that year.
Neither.
It goes by cut-off points throughout the year.
So for example the Top 16 who go to the Masters in January will be decided by who is in the Top 16 at a specific date, probably in Mid November.
The Top 16 seeded for the Worlds in April will be decided in early February on the rankings at the time.0 -
ArmaniJeanss has explained the rankings correctly and below us the calendar for the season with the cut of points. The new format is in play for several events this season where all 128 players will play at the qualifying venue meaning a player only has to win one match to reach a ranking venue proper. It's a great structure and will no doubt give those seldom seen players and players who have lost out by way of having to win several matches to reach a venue proper that all important chance of a breakthrough, a perfect example being Ireland's Davy Morris winning through to the final stages in Wuxi and going on to reach the quater finals.
27-29
Wuxi Classic Qualifiers
The Capital Venue, Gloucester
30-3 Jun
Goldfields Australian Open Qualifiers
The Capital Venue, Gloucester
JUNE
6
European Tour 1 (amateur pre qualifier)
Sofia, Bulgaria
7-9
European Tour 1 (Last 128)
Sofia, Bulgaria
WINNER: JOHN HGGINS
ORDER OF MERIT - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR EUROPEAN TOUR 2
11-15
Asian Tour 1
Yixing, China
WINNER: JOE PERRY
17-23
Wuxi Classic
Wuxi, China
WINNER: NEIL ROBERTSON
29 - 6 July
Asian Indoor Games
Incheon, Korea
JULY
8-14
Australian Goldfields Open
Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
18
European Tour 2 (amateur pre qualifier)
Rotterdam
19-21
European Tour 2 (Last 128)
Rotterdam
WORLD RANKING - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR SHANGHAI MASTERS AND POTENTIAL RANKING EVENT
ORDER OF MERIT - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR EUROPEAN TOUR 3 AND 4
25-4 Aug
World Games
Cali, Columbia
AUGUST
7-10
Shanghai Masters Qualifiers
Doncaster Dome tbc
11-12
Potential Ranking Event Qualifiers tbc
Doncaster Dome tbc
14
European Tour 3 (amateur pre qualifier)
Doncaster Dome tbc
15-17
European Tour 3 (Last 128)
Doncaster Dome tbc
22
European Tour 4/Paul Hunter Classic (amateur pre qualifier)
Furth, Germany
23-25
European Tour 4/Paul Hunter Classic (L128)
Furth, Germany
ORDER OF MERIT - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR EUROPEAN TOUR 5
SEPTEMBER
2-7
6 Reds World Championship
Bangkok, Thailand
16-22
Shanghai Masters
Shanghai, China
WORLD RANKING - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
23-27
Asian Tour 2
Zhangjiagong, China
30-1 Oct
International Championship qualifiers
Barnsley Metrodome tbc
OCTOBER
3
European Tour 5 (amateur pre qualifier)
Mülheim an der Ruhr, Germany
4-6
European Tour 5 (Last 128)
Mülheim an der Ruhr, Germany
ORDER OF MERIT - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR EUROPEAN TOUR 6 AND 7
5-6
Power Snooker tbc
tbc
13-19
Potential Ranking Event tbc
tbc
19-20
Seniors World Championship
tbc
19-23
Asian Tour 3
tbc
27-3 Nov
International Championship
Chengdu, China
WORLD RANKING - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR UK CHAMPIONSHIP
NOVEMBER
7
European Tour 6 or 8 (amateur pre qualifier) - Option 1*
UK or Europe tbc
8-10
European Tour 6 or 8 (Last 128) - Option 1*
UK or Europe tbc
14
European Tour 7 (amateur pre qualifier)
Antwerp, Belgium
15-17
European Tour 7 (Last 128)
Antwerp, Belgium
ORDER OF MERIT - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR EUROPEAN TOUR 8 (subject to event dates)
19-24
Champion of Champions
Ricoh Arena, Coventry
27 Nov-8 Dec
williamhill.com UK Championship
York Barbican, York
WORLD RANKING - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR HAIKOU WORLD OPEN, GERMAN MASTERS, THE MASTERS AND SHOOT OUT
DECEMBER
10-11
German Masters Qualifiers
Barnsley Metrodome tbc
12-13
Haikou World Open Qualifiers
Barnsley Metrodome tbc
14
European Tour 8 (amateur pre qualifier)- Option 2*
UK tbc
15-17
European Tour 8 (Last 128) - Option 2*
UK tbc
19
European Tour 6 (amateur pre qualifier) - Option 2*
Europe tbc
20-22
European Tour 6 (Last 128) - Option 2*
Europe tbc
2014
JANUARY
3-5
Potential Ranking Event qualifiers
tbc
6-9
Championship League Option
Crondon Park
12-19
The Masters
Alexandra Palace, London
24-26
Shoot Out
Tower Circus Arena, Blackpool
29-2 February
German Masters
Berlin, Germany
WORLD RANKING - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR WELSH OPEN AND CHINA OPEN
FEBRUARY
3-6
Championship League Option
Crondon Park
5
European Tour 6 (amateur pre qualifier) - Option 3*
Europe tbc
6-9
European Tour 6 (Last 128) - Option 3*
Europe tbc
10-13
Championship League Option
Crondon Park
10-15
Potential Ranking Event tbc
tbc
17-18
China Open Qualifiers
Barnsley Metrodome tbc
19-2 Mar
Welsh Open
Newport Centre, Newport
MARCH
3-6
Championship League Option
Crondon Park
4-8
Asian Tour 4
tbc
10-16
Haikou World Open
Haikou, China
18-23
Players Championship Grand Final
tbc
WORLD RANKING - SEEDING CUT OFF FOR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
24-27
Championship League Option
Crondon Park
31-6 Apr
China Open
Beijing, China
APRIL
8-16
World Championship Qualifiers
tbc
19 April-5 May
World Championship
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