New changes to Irish motor tax,

Smokie399

Hi guys and gals I'm new to boards.ie so I don't know if anybody has posted about this already but what's going to happen when this new law is implemented fully come September,I mean besides stating the obvious,if you buy a car in October 2014 once the transition period has ended and the vehicle you buy hasn't been taxed in maybe a year and the person before you didn't bother with the mumbo jumbo during the transition time to get a form stamped in the Garda station does that mean your liable for the 12 months arrears or does change of ownership outweigh this process and can you just tax your vehicle from the day you buy it and forget abt the arrears period whether it be 12 months 24 months etc :-???

Scortho

Smokie399 wrote: »

Hi guys and gals I'm new to boards.ie so I don't know if anybody has posted about this already but what's going to happen when this new law is implemented fully come September,I mean besides stating the obvious,if you buy a car in October 2014 once the transition period has ended and the vehicle you buy hasn't been taxed in maybe a year and the person before you didn't bother with the mumbo jumbo during the transition time to get a form stamped in the Garda station does that mean your liable for the 12 months arrears or does change of ownership outweigh this process and can you just tax your vehicle from the day you buy it and forget abt the arrears period whether it be 12 months 24 months etc :-???

To the best of my knowledge you are only liable from the day you purchase the car.

Smokie399

Scortho wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge you are only liable from the day you purchase the car.

Thanks Scortho. So basically if you complete a change of ownership you won't have to pay the arrears,but isn't that just the same as before then and why are they changing it,if that is the case won't people just put there car in a spouse's name or mates name and they avoid having to pay arrears :-?

Sam Kade

What about a car that has been lieing in the yard for years and is still on the database, do you need to declare it off the road for good?

Smokie399

Sam Kade wrote: »

What about a car that has been lieing in the yard for years and is still on the database, do you need to declare it off the road for good?

What there saying is if you ever intend to put the car back on the road again then you must get a declaration of non use completed between here and sept 30th or you will be liable for arrears since the day the last tax disc expired plus you will have to pay a further 3 months tax and 10% interest on arrears, but if a change of ownership can supersede this then all you would have to do is put the vehicle in a friends name and tax it from the date of sale,there being a bit sketchy as to what happens with change of ownership !!

Scortho

Smokie399 wrote: »

Thanks Scortho. So basically if you complete a change of ownership you won't have to pay the arrears,but isn't that just the same as before then and why are they changing it,if that is the case won't people just put there car in a spouse's name or mates name and they avoid having to pay arrears :-?

You've found the loophole, didn't take you long.
If its a 10 year old plus car, the amount of owners isn't going to make a difference to its price (maybe 2-300 max).
If its a newer multiple owners will effect the price drastically.
The reason why they're changing it is because currently you can drive the car for a certain length of time with the fax out, go to your Garda station and get a form signed to say it was off the road for a number of months.
Now, you must declare the car off the road prior to the car being off the road (not enforced until September or October

Smokie399

Scortho wrote: »

You've found the loophole, didn't take you long.
If its a 10 year old plus car, the amount of owners isn't going to make a difference to its price (maybe 2-300 max).
If its a newer multiple owners will effect the price drastically.
The reason why they're changing it is because currently you can drive the car for a certain length of time with the fax out, go to your Garda station and get a form signed to say it was off the road for a number of months.
Now, you must declare the car off the road prior to the car being off the road (not enforced until September or October

Was thinkin that it sounded like a loophole alrite :P, I mean as you say if the car is nearly 10 years or over it doesn't make much of a difference how many previous owners it's had,it's not something that would bother me that much anyway,I wonder how concrete this is though,they couldn't possibly expect a new owner to back tax a vehicle because in some cases the amount of tax owed in arrears could exceed the value of the vehicle

cheekybarry

Has anyone been able to confirm the position here for definite? that is will the change of ownership overrule the need to back tax a car that has been off the road for years and not recorded as so on the new database?

cheers, barry

Owenzy31

Just wondering - what is the situation with classical cars ? Cars that have been off the road for years while been restored - then once there ready & road worthy then they'll be taxed. Anyone know where I could get information about this - tax office - guards ??

Smokie399

Owenzy31 wrote: »

Just wondering - what is the situation with classical cars ? Cars that have been off the road for years while been restored - then once there ready & road worthy then they'll be taxed. Anyone know where I could get information about this - tax office - guards ??

Apparently you need form rf100a signed and stamped at barracks accompanied with form rf150 completed and taken to tax office for approval of non use declaration, you need to do this before September 30th if you think any of these classical cars will be put back on the road at a later date,but we're still waiting for somebody to confirm whether or not a change of ownership will overrule this,

Scortho

cheekybarry wrote: »

Has anyone been able to confirm the position here for definite? that is will the change of ownership overrule the need to back tax a car that has been off the road for years and not recorded as so on the new database?

cheers, barry

As it stands, when you buy a car you're only liable for the tax from the date of purchase.
I can't see them changing that, however I haven't trawled through the legislation.
It should mention it in the legislation that was published.
I don't see them changing it as someone could buy a car and be liable for tax of many multiples of that car.

Means Of Escape

Owenzy31 wrote: »

Just wondering - what is the situation with classical cars ? Cars that have been off the road for years while been restored - then once there ready & road worthy then they'll be taxed. Anyone know where I could get information about this - tax office - guards ??

If you have a classic car that is being restored you must first find out when it was last taxed then declare a non use period from that time up to this month and get it stamped by the Gardai
Then you must declare it off the road for as long as you think it will be sitting in your garage 3 months, 6 etc
If its longer you need to declare it off the road every year til you decide to put it back on the road.
You must do this for all cars that you have sitting around or else scrap them as you will be paying arrears on them if you ever decide to put any of them on the road again if you don't make the declarations

Scortho

Guys there's a really good sticky in the motors thread for this now.
It basically answers any question plausible and all in the one place.

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056986599/2/#post85395754