CPC annual training after getting CPC by passing theory + practical tests?

CiniO

Hi guys.

I know exactly that for people who acquired CPC rights by having licence before relevant date (10th Sep 2008 for D cateogry, or 10th Sep 2009 for C category) each CPC module must be finished by 10th of September.


But how does it look like for people who passed their CPC together with passing a driving test recently.
F.e. someone passed a C category licence together with CPC (theory multiple choice + case study + practical CPC) in August 2012.
Does that mean that you need to complete a first module between August 2012 and August 2013?
I got CPC driver's card valid for 5 years from August 2012 (which is to August 2017).
But as I understand I still need to do one day training every year.

Question is between what dates does it need to be done?

bop1977

CiniO wrote: »

Hi guys.

I know exactly that for people who acquired CPC rights by having licence before relevant date (10th Sep 2008 for D cateogry, or 10th Sep 2009 for C category) each CPC module must be finished by 10th of September.


But how does it look like for people who passed their CPC together with passing a driving test recently.
F.e. someone passed a C category licence together with CPC (theory multiple choice + case study + practical CPC) in August 2012.
Does that mean that you need to complete a first module between August 2012 and August 2013?
I got CPC driver's card valid for 5 years from August 2012 (which is to August 2017).
But as I understand I still need to do one day training every year.

Question is between what dates does it need to be done?

You need to do the single day training before September 9th, regardless of when you passed the CPC.

CiniO

bop1977 wrote: »

You need to do the single day training before September 9th, regardless of when you passed the CPC.

But as I passed my CPC on August 2012, then it means I had to do a day training before 10th September 2012? (having only a month to do it).
If so I already didn't do it...

Also situation is much more complicated, but I didn't mention it from the beginning just to make question more straight forward. But I'll tell the whole story now.

I had D licence before 10th September 2008, so I acquired rights for bus CPC automatically.
I kept doing CPC modules every year.
4st - December 2009.
3rd- May 2010
1st - July 2011.
5th - July 2012.

Then in August 2012 I passed a driving test for C licence and passed a test for truck CPC.

Does it mean I had to do additional module between August 2012 and 10th September 2012 for a truck?
Or do I have to do 2 modules now before 10th September 2013.
Or maybe if I do one modules before 10th September 2013 it will suffice.

Anyone have any ideas?

CiniO

Mods can I ask to move it to "Learning to drive" as I by mistake put it in the wrong forum.

btb

D license needs modules 1-4 plus 6 done before sept 2013 and from then on you need to do 1 module per year for 4 years and 2 in the other year of the 5 year cycle.

CiniO

btb wrote: »

D license needs modules 1-4 plus 6 done before sept 2013 and from then on you need to do 1 module per year for 4 years and 2 in the other year of the 5 year cycle.

OK.
But any reasons why I need to do only 5 modules in first 5 years period, and then 6 modules in next 5 year period?

As I got C licence and CPC 1 year and 1 month before the end of first cycle.


Also having to do 6 modules in 5 years, while being mentioned on RSA website and CPC courses, doesn't add up for me really.

Look at this.
If someone had D licence before Sept 2008 and acquired CPC automatically for this category, then it looks like that.
1st module - by Sept 2009
2nd module - by Sept 2010
3rd module - by Sept 2011
4th module - by Sept 2012
6th module - by Sept 2013.

If someone had C licence before Sept 2009 and acquired CPC automatically for this category, then it looks like that.
1st module - by Sept 2010
2nd module - by Sept 2011.
3rd module - by Sept 2012.
4th module - by Sept 2013.
5th module - by Sept 2014.

So no in case of someone having both C and D licence before Sept 2008, and acquiring CPC automatically for both categories, then IMHO it should look like that.

1st module - by Sept 2009
2nd module - by Sept 2010
3rd module - by Sept 2011
4th module - by Sept 2012
6th module - by Sept 2013.
5th module - by Sept 2014.

(6th is for buses only and 5th is for trucks only).

So I can't see a need to do 2 modules in any year, but maybe I'm wrong.

rubberdungeon

Effect on Drivers with Bus and Truck Licences.


http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/CPC/CPC_Training_Centre_Guidelines.pdf

Page 6 - 2.5

There are four core modules that are compulsory for both bus and truck drivers and an additional two modules – one bus specific and one truck specific. Drivers who work professionally with both a bus and truck licence must complete all six modules during the five year period, to provide a total of 42 hours periodic training.

CiniO

rubberdungeon wrote: »

Effect on Drivers with Bus and Truck Licences.


http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/CPC/CPC_Training_Centre_Guidelines.pdf

Page 6 - 2.5

There are four core modules that are compulsory for both bus and truck drivers and an additional two modules – one bus specific and one truck specific. Drivers who work professionally with both a bus and truck licence must complete all six modules during the five year period, to provide a total of 42 hours periodic training.

Yes.
That's what I mean.
I've seen that.
But I can't see how it makes sense.

When should those drivers (both bus and truck) complete those 6 modules in 5 years.
If someone holding both C and D licence before September 2008, started doing CPC modules as in schedule for bus, and completed 6 modules during 5 years, then he would have 6 modules completed by Sept 2013 (including the one for truck drivers).

While every other truck driver, holding truck licence only, would be finished with only 4 modules by then, and the last one to go by Sept 2014.

So I can't really see why holders of both truck and bus CPCs should finish their modules sooner.

btb

"When should those drivers (both bus and truck) complete those 6 modules in 5 years.
If someone holding both C and D licence before September 2008, started doing CPC modules as in schedule for bus, and completed 6 modules during 5 years, then he would have 6 modules completed by Sept 2013 (including the one for truck drivers)."
NO, only D license needs 5 modules by sept 2013....so should have done mods 1-4 and 6... for C license needs to do mod 5 by sept 2014, as there is an overlap in next period up to sept 2018 where D license holder will have to do mods 1-4 and 6 and have to do mod 5 in period up to sept 2014 for C license, so in 2014 will have to do 2 modules mod 5 for C license and one from the other 5.... bit confusing I know... for drivers with acquired rights
from sept 2013 if you do mods 5 and 6 in 2014 and one module each year for the other 4 years then that should keep you straight...

CiniO

btb wrote: »

"When should those drivers (both bus and truck) complete those 6 modules in 5 years.
If someone holding both C and D licence before September 2008, started doing CPC modules as in schedule for bus, and completed 6 modules during 5 years, then he would have 6 modules completed by Sept 2013 (including the one for truck drivers)."
NO, only D license needs 5 modules by sept 2013....so should have done mods 1-4 and 6... for C license needs to do mod 5 by sept 2014, as there is an overlap in next period up to sept 2018 where D license holder will have to do mods 1-4 and 6 and have to do mod 5 in period up to sept 2014 for C license, so in 2014 will have to do 2 modules mod 5 for C license and one from the other 5.... bit confusing I know... for drivers with acquired rights

OK.
I thing get now what you mean.
If you do modules 1-4 between between Sept 2008 and Sept 2012, and then module 6 for bus between Sept 2012 and Sept 2013, then you are OK for bus.
But then if you do only module 5 for truck between Setp 2013 and Sept 2014, then you are still not OK for truck, because you didn't do 5 modules in relation to truck between Sept 2009 and Sept 2014. (as between Sept 2012 and Sept 2013 you've done module 6 which was for bus only and doesn't count for truck CPC.
But that's all extremally confusing.



from sept 2013 if you do mods 5 and 6 in 2014 and one module each year for the other 4 years then that should keep you straight...[/QUOTE]
But then again it's the same situation.
Bus drivers are meant to finish a second set of 5 modules by Sept 2018, while truck drivers are meant to finish it by Sept 2019. So the same story here.



But lets drop it....


Another question.

If you did you truck licence and CPC exam say on April 2011.
When are you meant to do your modules?
Do you have to do the first one by Sept 2011, or by April 2012?

Del2005

You don't have to do the CPC modules yearly. The rule is that you need to do 5(or 6) modules in a 5 year period. So you can do all your modules the 1st year and then again in the 6th year, will cost more in the short term but reduces the stress of having to remember to do them every year.

I got the C by grandfather rights and D by test. I only did one module, as I've never driven professionally, so didn't bother maintaining the CPC. In order for me to get a professional job I'd have to do all the modules in one go.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

You don't have to do the CPC modules yearly. The rule is that you need to do 5(or 6) modules in a 5 year period. So you can do all your modules the 1st year and then again in the 6th year, will cost more in the short term but reduces the stress of having to remember to do them every year.

All sources seem to say otherwise.
That's how it works in most other EU countries, but unfortunately in Ireland it doesn't.

btb

At present for existing drivers there is no requirement to have all modules up to date, but once you have completed 5 modules and have a cpc card, then you will need to keep it up to date as the RSA man at a roadside stop or other inspection, will be able to determine whether or not you are current with you modules. If not you will be liable to prosecution.
And you will not be employable without being up to date without CPC card and modules current.
As there is a scarcity of driving jobs and lots of unemployed drivers then its an employers market.

Del2005

CiniO wrote: »

All sources seem to say otherwise.
That's how it works in most other EU countries, but unfortunately in Ireland it doesn't.

Just looked up the SI and noticed that it does say it need to be every year. There was talk of it at the CPC class I did. I'm not sure how the RSA react to it, but if I want to drive professionally I need to do all 6 in one go and I can't see how if I can do it a professional driver can't.