Luas: A Tale of Two Trams - One off Documentary

dublinman1990

This is a one off documentary which will be shown on Tuesday the 9th of July at 9:35pm on RTE 1; it will be on for you at 10:35pm if you're watching it on RTE1+1.

I found this yesterday while reading next week's RTE Guide (With Irish Italian chef Catherine Fulvio on the front cover). The documentary will be telling stories from passengers & staff from both the red & green Luas lines.

I may be watching it on RTE1+1 because the BBC 2 Route Masters documentary may be on next week. I am looking forward to it though.

lifesabitch

What a load of absolute ****e. Typical rubbish that's on these days, take a camera and stick into the faces of the public so get yourself a ****ty tv program and you don't have to pay anyone for it.

They should make a documentary about people on the bus too, and in cabs, and in the GP's waiting rooms, and in the line for Tesco, and in the public toilets. **** off RTE.

Victor

lifesabitch wrote: »

What a load of absolute ****e. Typical rubbish that's on these days, take a camera and stick into the faces of the public so get yourself a ****ty tv program and you don't have to pay anyone for it.

They should make a documentary about people on the bus too, and in cabs, and in the GP's waiting rooms, and in the line for Tesco, and in the public toilets. **** off RTE.

You might want to flush your potty mouth.

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veryangryman

Victor wrote: »

You might want to flush your potty mouth.

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I happen to agree with his sentiment and will happily take an infraction if needed for my agreement. RTE=*insert bad words here*

CaptainFreedom

Greed Line vs Bread Line

the_syco

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The documentary will be telling stories from passengers & staff from both the red & green Luas lines.

I wonder how old it'll be, and if it'll have any info regarding the "joiner" line?

keano_afc

Watched this, and was very disappointed with it. It was like a submission to a Leaving Cert exam, very amateur. Didnt go into the history of the lines and spent about 30 seconds on future expansion. A very boring hour.

gobnaitolunacy

Glad I missed it so.

Max Power1

I thought the foreign guy giving out about foreigners was funny

patrickbrophy18

While it doesn't go into the history of either routes, it does highlight the high contrast between the red and green lines. The green line is historic by virtue of the fact that much of it's alignment was constructed on the former Harcourt Street heavy rail route. I'm not entirely sure if the red line follows the path of a previous tram system. However, I wouldn't be surprised if many sections of the route carried tram lines at some point in the past. Anyway, the documentary does mention that the completion of the BXD line is expected in 2017. I'll believe this when I see it!

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is terrible or sh!t but, it is very bleak at times especially when it comes to emphasizing the occurrence of disorderly conduct on the red line. It also shows how tolerant we are of such conduct which makes me embarrassed to be Irish. I've been on the red line countless times and I've felt intimidated or nervous on the bulk of these trips because of the unfavorable crowds who board it with out paying. Some of them are given free travel passes which essentially, enables them to inconvenience honest, law abiding and working commuters.

Grandeeod

Having watched it I'm feeling a little despondent. It wasn't really a rail type programme. It was a stark reminder of how Dublin has slid into the oblivion of a society divided, but still retaining dangerous elements on both sides of this divide. On the Red line somebody physically assaults you. On the Green line they financially assault you. One you can see. One you can't. But the impact is similar albeit one is a lot slower. I guess you have to look closely at the programme to see this and appreciate the class divide and extremities of both. The DART is also an example of this. Ultimately that's what the programme set out to achieve. The emphasis on Red line crime Vs Green line crime was to the fore, but the different type of crime along the Green line was beyond being indentifiable by the programme makers.

I guess we are still unable as a nation to fully appreciate the next big crime thing that hurts us in the pocket as opposed to our face. A bit deep maybe, but it was all there if you wanted to see it.

Overall I enjoyed it, but it was a social thing as opposed to a railway thing. The politics surrounding its planning were never gonna be up for investigation. Its here and this how it works. Thats as much as we were getting.

Cookie_Monster

Grandeeod wrote: »

On the Green line they financially assault you.

care to try and explain that ridiculous statement?

bmm

Watched it for 20 seconds then flicked over. They'll be interviewing people coming out of the dole offices next! Oops, they do a show like that , don't they? How about paint drying !? That would make a great show!!!!!:rolleyes:

Grandeeod

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

care to try and explain that ridiculous statement?

Its not ridiculous. I guess you can't see the point I'm making. I did forewarn that its was a bit deep. I would explain, but as you already assume it's ridiculous, what's the point? Had you not come in all cavalier and dismissing it, it could've been worth discussing in more detail. I'll leave it at that with you. I have no wish to enter debate with someone who perhaps should have said, "care to explain that statement?"

cooperguy

Grandeeod wrote: »

Having watched it I'm feeling a little despondent. It wasn't really a rail type programme. It was a stark reminder of how Dublin has slid into the oblivion of a society divided, but still retaining dangerous elements on both sides of this divide. On the Red line somebody physically assaults you. On the Green line they financially assault you. One you can see. One you can't. But the impact is similar albeit one is a lot slower. I guess you have to look closely at the programme to see this and appreciate the class divide and extremities of both. The DART is also an example of this. Ultimately that's what the programme set out to achieve. The emphasis on Red line crime Vs Green line crime was to the fore, but the different type of crime along the Green line was beyond being indentifiable by the programme makers.

I guess we are still unable as a nation to fully appreciate the next big crime thing that hurts us in the pocket as opposed to our face. A bit deep maybe, but it was all there if you wanted to see it.

Overall I enjoyed it, but it was a social thing as opposed to a railway thing. The politics surrounding its planning were never gonna be up for investigation. Its here and this how it works. Thats as much as we were getting.

I think you wanted to see something that wasn't there. You cant really claim that the people on the green line were involved in creating the recession/crisis. That was created by a very tiny amount of people at the top of the banks and some bad government policy. In fact id guess most of that tiny group probably have never needed to get a tram anywhere

Cookie_Monster

Grandeeod wrote: »

Its not ridiculous. I guess you can't see the point I'm making. I did forewarn that its was a bit deep. I would explain, but as you already assume it's ridiculous, what's the point? Had you not come in all cavalier and dismissing it, it could've been worth discussing in more detail. I'll leave it at that with you. I have no wish to enter debate with someone who perhaps should have said, "care to explain that statement?"

It is ridiculous. No, I can't see the point you are making, other than taking cheap shots at bankers and financial sector workers.

To imply that the people who take the green line to work are responsible for the banking crises, recession and general irresponsibility of house buyers and borrowers is ludicrous in the extreme.

Grandeeod

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

It is ridiculous. No, I can't see the point you are making, other than taking cheap shots at bankers and financial sector workers.

To imply that the people who take the green line to work are responsible for the banking crises, recession and general irresponsibility of house buyers and borrowers is ludicrous in the extreme.

No it's not ridiculous. You cannot see my point and you have admitted that. If I touched a nerve for you then apologies but that's the nature of discussion. I did not take a cheap shot at bankers or financial sector workers. I never mentioned them. I was not generalising, no more than anyone should generalise about Red Line passengers. I didn't mention the "irresponsibilities of house buyers and borrowers" either.

It is well documented that the Red Line is prone to criminal attacks and the programme was very clear in putting that fact forward. If a person attacks you physically on the Red Line, that doesn't mean Red Line passengers are all of the same ilk, yet you have accused me, based on the point I was putting forward (which you admit to not getting) of generalising. Based purely on the class divide across the two luas lines, it is actually ridiculous to claim that a different type of crime is not identified on the Green Line. "White Collar" crime is rampant in Ireland, but not associated with Public Transport, because it doesn't happen on public transport in as blatant a manner as a Junkie/thug etc etc. hitting you a smack. White collar crime is not even identified as a crime in Ireland. It can span across the legal and financial sectors taking in Bankers, Solicitors and Accountants. If us or the media are going to start harping on about crime on the luas based on the class divide (which was made very clear in the programme) then we need to realise that the Red Line has a crime problem identifiable in law, while the Green Line may have a different type of crime (again based on the programmes definitive statement about class) that has still to be accepted by Irish Law. To claim that Solicitors, Bankers and Accountants and people of similar professions don't travel on the Green Line is crap. They do and "crimes" are committed and have been since before you or I were even born. They just don't do it to you directly on the luas.

Ridiculous? No. What it highlights is an ignorance of crime and an acceptance that crimes are committed by stoned out feckers from a poor/working class background on the luas and that's it. So my point is simple. Just because you are punched in the gob on the "Working class/Poorer areas" Red Line route, doesn't mean that a Green Line passenger from a more "affluent" area isn't sticking it to you in a financial or legal manner that wasn't quite legal in the first place. He/She just went to the office first.

It's deep stuff alright and I never expected many to get it, but sometimes its easy to get sick and tired of the "class" thing that seems to flow one way. I stand over what I have said. The Green line has a different type of crime and expect this opinion to be derided, because Ireland is only beginning its journey into this type crime committed by a certain type of class.

Apologies for taking this way off topic and no offense intended to all the decent people in the aforementioned professions. I will agree to differ on opinion.

LXFlyer

Well as an occasional Green Line user who happens to be a financial professional, I take serious umbrage at your wide generalisation.

You are attempting to make a point about white collar crime whilst at the same managing to insult the vast majority of honest hard working people who work in those fields by insinuating that we are all "on the make". I can assure you that I'm as annoyed as anyone about the damage done to my profession, but it is not fair to suggest in any way that the majority of financial and legal professionals are rampantly engaging in crime. That simply is not true.

The fundamental issue is that prosecuting those responsible for white collar crime takes far longer than prosecuting someone for stealing something from a shop for example.

It is something that is very difficult to do, but we all know that there are a rake of cases awaiting court hearings and justice will take its course in due time.

ozmo

Caught most of the program - missed the start.

wasn't bad - but typical RTE going bit too much into the personal lives of commuters - going for the emotional hook. Behind the scenes of the trains was ok - would have like see more of that.

Never actually had a need to travel on the Luas - but after this ill be steering well clear of the Red line - they held no punches on that - fights, theft and blood - how the security guys can go in each day to that I don't know - some of the best interviews were by the security guys on that line.

Frank Lee Midere

Grandeeod wrote: »

Its not ridiculous. I guess you can't see the point I'm making. I did forewarn that its was a bit deep. I would explain, but as you already assume it's ridiculous, what's the point? Had you not come in all cavalier and dismissing it, it could've been worth discussing in more detail. I'll leave it at that with you. I have no wish to enter debate with someone who perhaps should have said, "care to explain that statement?"

The "financial muggers" of the country don't take public transport you mug.