porsche 924 ?

salysol

I am trying to trace the history of a porsche 924 that i bought recently,as it's a Dublin reg,there's a good chance some one on here might have known the car or even a bit of it's history.
The interesting thing about this car is it has a few extras fitted to it that a similar year'd porsche 924 didn't have,for example it has a snail shell gearbox,electric aerial ,i know the gearbox was a cost option on them, but i doubt if this was an after market option as it would have out priced the value of the car,so i reckon the car came from the factory that way,the rest of the extras were probably fitted later,but it would be great to know it's history,cos it has me baffled this is a 78 yet the snail shell wasn't fitted till the 924 turbo came out in 79,

Kenny Logins

Did '78s have the bump strips on the side? Any other oddities?

BTW, is the aerial operated by a pull switch under the dash?

Kenny Logins

..oh, and isn't that body galvinised? Looks like it could be - I'd expect to see some bubbling otherwise.

Dades

Can't help you on your quest (never heard of the snail shell tranny!) but I hope you get some info. Share here if you discover it elsewhere.

Best of luck with the purchase!

deckie27

Did you look at the engine
There are alot of manufacture dates on the parts. I know they can be changed but ...

salysol

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Did '78s have the bump strips on the side? Any other oddities?

BTW, is the aerial operated by a pull switch under the dash?

i've had 2 78 924 and neither had the body strips or side repeaters,but they were both 4 speed,the aerial is operated when u switch the sterio on.

salysol

Dades wrote: »

Can't help you on your quest (never heard of the snail shell tranny!) but I hope you get some info. Share here if you discover it elsewhere.

Best of luck with the purchase!

Thanks Dades

salysol

Kenny Logins wrote: »

..oh, and isn't that body galvinised? Looks like it could be - I'd expect to see some bubbling otherwise.

You could be partially right Kenny,there is a bit of surface rust forming on the upper boot seems, other than that the body is very straight and rust free.

salysol

deckie27 wrote: »

Did you look at the engine
There are alot of manufacture dates on the parts. I know they can be changed but ...

The interesting thing about the engine deckie27 is the K/jetronic distrbution unit it differs from my other 924 by having 2 extra fuel lines that have electric sensors on them , i would imagine these are liked to the 2 fuel accumulators [ mine has 1 accumulator ] above the fuel pump ,one of them would also be linked to the Thermo time switch,which makes starting from hot easier,but i might be wrong as i haven't gone through the wiring yet

Kenny Logins

salysol wrote: »

i've had 2 78 924 and neither had the body strips or side repeaters,but they were both 4 speed,the aerial is operated when u switch the sterio on.

Mine has an electric aerial, not sure if it was a dealer option but I can check the paperwork.

trevorbrady

out of interest, what's the significance of the "snail shell" gearbox? Is it a 5-speed? Something else?

looks like a nice basis for a project: pre '80 and original Irish reg.

salysol

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Mine has an electric aerial, not sure if it was a dealer option but I can check the paperwork.

That would be great Kenny

salysol

trevorbrady wrote: »

out of interest, what's the significance of the "snail shell" gearbox? Is it a 5-speed? Something else?

looks like a nice basis for a project: pre '80 and original Irish reg.

The difference in boxes trevorbrady is the 924 n/a is a 20mm torque tube that will handle roughly 180 bhp max the snail shell or otherwise known as the dogleg box is a lot stronger gearing that has no rough edging and has a 25mm torque tube that is good for 500 bhp ideal for racing / track days if you like,
also the gear selector lay out is rearranged so first is reverse and second is first if that makes any sense,it's a Porsche/getrag g31 box

superfly35

Hi Chris,
Did you think about contacted Marc at Porsche in Germany ? It would give you some info on your car, including the date of invoice and all.
You might be able to get the answer from the dog box.

As far as I know it was a factory option, regarding the areal I think it is a dealer option as the radio was.

I thought the repeater came only in 1982, but I could be wrong on that one.

EDIT : On the brown log book you don't have the previous owner you could write to them ? If they are still around.

salysol

superfly35 wrote: »

Hi Chris,
Did you think about contacted Marc at Porsche in Germany ? It would give you some info on your car, including the date of invoice and all.
You might be able to get the answer from the dog box.

As far as I know it was a factory option, regarding the areal I think it is a dealer option as the radio was.

I thought the repeater came only in 1982, but I could be wrong on that one.

EDIT : On the brown log book you don't have the previous owner you could write to them ? If they are still around.

h
Hi Arnaud,i had to get a replacement log book,and there were 7 previous owners,so i would have had to get in touch with the first owner,but that information is not available.
Who is Marc in Germany,have you got a contact for him ?

Henry Ford III

salysol wrote: »

The difference in boxes trevorbrady is the 924 n/a is a 20mm torque tube that will handle roughly 180 bhp max the snail shell or otherwise known as the dogleg box is a lot stronger gearing that has no rough edging and has a 25mm torque tube that is good for 500 bhp ideal for racing / track days if you like,
also the gear selector lay out is rearranged so first is reverse and second is first if that makes any sense,it's a Porsche/getrag g31 box

924 Turbo box?

salysol

Henry Ford III wrote: »

924 Turbo box?

It sure is , a year before the Turbo ?

Kenny Logins

salysol wrote: »

It sure is , a year before the Turbo ?

Are you sure about the year? Nothing on that cars says '78 to me...

God Father

Any more pics?

salysol

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Are you sure about the year? Nothing on that cars says '78 to me...

Yes i'm 100% sure the chassis no as well as engine no matches that on the log book, also if you know anything about chassis / vin no on 924 this is how it goes.
for example. the chassis no starts like this.
1976 9246
1977 9247
1978 9248
1979 9249

salysol

God Father wrote: »

Any more pics?

As requested more pics

Gearbox




gearbox again

Kenny Logins

An odd one for sure.

BTW, did 924s ever have chrome window/hatch frames? That looks like it does, and mine does too but they were painted over, matt black.

salysol

Kenny Logins wrote: »

An odd one for sure.

BTW, did 924s ever have chrome window/hatch frames? That looks like it does, and mine does too but they were painted over, matt black.

Yes the early ones had chrome window trim

Kenny Logins

Cool thanks. Up to '81?

God Father

Cool thanks for the pics.

The Dogleg gearbox was available as an option from '78 with the Audi five speed gearbox standardised in the 1980 model year.

'78 also saw rubber bushes specified for rear suspension mountings. Uprated shock absorbers. electric windows offered optionally, also black-centre alloy wheels. Oval exhaust pipe, chrome-plated.

Kenny Logins wrote: »

An odd one for sure.

BTW, did 924s ever have chrome window/hatch frames? That looks like it does, and mine does too but they were painted over, matt black.

The window surrounds were chrome until 1980 at which point a body colour fuel filler cap was also introduced.

In the 1981 Model year:

Body fully galvinized, more soundproofing, front anti-roll bar standardised, stiffer rear torsion bars, indicator repeater lights on front wings, foglamp added at rear, air horns (from turbo model) standardised. Optional 4-stud spoke-effect alloy wheels.

Kenny Logins

Interesting. Mine ('81) does look like somebody blacked out the chrome at some point... Must have a closer look.

salysol

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Interesting. Mine ('81) does look like somebody blacked out the chrome at some point... Must have a closer look.

Kenny it;s possible PREVIOUS OWNER changed the window surround at some stage incidently God Father is right on his dates apart from the filler cap cover , which was introduced in late 78, there was also a rear sway bar fitted in 79.
My 78 has window winders.
By any chance do any of you have a pair of front seats and a windscreen ? thats all it needs

superfly35

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Interesting. Mine ('81) does look like somebody blacked out the chrome at some point... Must have a closer look.

Yeah I think the story goes that Porshce at some point decide to paint the chrome in black.

if you lift the paint you will find some chrome.

God Father

salysol wrote: »

Kenny it;s possible PREVIOUS OWNER changed the window surround at some stage incidently God Father is right on his dates apart from the filler cap cover , which was introduced in late 78, there was also a rear sway bar fitted in 79.
My 78 has window winders.
By any chance do any of you have a pair of front seats and a windscreen ? thats all it needs

My reference material indicates 1980 model year.

salysol

God Father wrote: »

My reference material indicates 1980 model year.

It's strange when you look at various sites and how they differ in various ways regarding certain additions to the 924 ?
For example the 924 turbo was manufactured in 79 and yet a few were sold in late 78 they all had the fuel filler flap as does my 79 924 yet it states it wasn't a standard feature till late 79, so who knows ?

salysol

superfly35 wrote: »

Hi Chris,
Did you think about contacted Marc at Porsche in Germany ? It would give you some info on your car, including the date of invoice and all.
You might be able to get the answer from the dog box.

As far as I know it was a factory option, regarding the areal I think it is a dealer option as the radio was.

I thought the repeater came only in 1982, but I could be wrong on that one.

EDIT : On the brown log book you don't have the previous owner you could write to them ? If they are still around.

this is what he replied
Hello Chris,

this car is unfortunately not listed in our files!

mit freundlichen Grüßen

Marc Noack
Technische Marktbetreuung
Porsche Classic

Telefon: +49(0)711/911-2XXXX
Fax: +49(0)711/911-24100
E-Mail: marc.noack@porsche.de

Dr.Ing.h.c.F.Porsche
Aktiengesellschaft
Porscheplatz 1
DE-70435 Stuttgart

www.porsche.com/classic

God Father

salysol wrote: »

this is what he replied
Hello Chris,

this car is unfortunately not listed in our files!

mit freundlichen Grüßen

Marc Noack
Technische Marktbetreuung
Porsche Classic

Telefon: +49(0)711/911-2XXXX
Fax: +49(0)711/911-24100
E-Mail: marc.noack@porsche.de

Dr.Ing.h.c.F.Porsche
Aktiengesellschaft
Porscheplatz 1
DE-70435 Stuttgart

www.porsche.com/classic

Well that is interesting...

salysol

God Father wrote: »

Well that is interesting...

It sure is

superfly35

that is answer he came back with the chassis number ?

Did you doubled check the chasssic number on the car itself ?

EDIT : Did you ask him how it is possible that a car left the factory and he has no trace off it ? I am just curious to know how it could have happen.

salysol

superfly35 wrote: »

that is answer he came back with the chassis number ?

Did you doubled check the chasssic number on the car itself ?

EDIT : Did you ask him how it is possible that a car left the factory and he has no trace off it ? I am just curious to know how it could have happen.

No i didn't , but he's probably not interested in checking

superfly35

Well that is weird to me as that person is really helpfull I got all my 924 information from him, and so as other guy from the 924 owner club.
My car is from 1977 and he found the information, a mate as a 1976 car and he got the info too.

salysol

superfly35 wrote: »

Well that is weird to me as that person is really helpfull I got all my 924 information from him, and so as other guy from the 924 owner club.
My car is from 1977 and he found the information, a mate as a 1976 car and he got the info too.

Yes it seems odd but perhaps it was built elsewhere ?

superfly35

As far as I know they all have been build in the same WW ffactory. If it was Mr I would check the car vin number and engine number, I believe some typo could have happen.
Failing that I will ask him if he knows what may have happen so thast will to your car history ;-)

God Father

superfly35 wrote: »

As far as I know they all have been build in the same WW ffactory. If it was Mr I would check the car vin number and engine number, I believe some typo could have happen.
Failing that I will ask him if he knows what may have happen so thast will to your car history ;-)

They were only built in the Audi Neckarsulm plant.

Dades

Interesting pics!

Are you planning a full restore?

salysol

Dades wrote: »

Interesting pics!

Are you planning a full restore?

Depends on the finances available,in saying that it seems as if a lot of the running gear is relatively fresh, bushings, bearing ,suspension,so i reckon it's mostly spit and polish,the body and undercarriage is solid ,so i will see as i go how far in i have to go.

Kenny Logins

salysol wrote: »

That would be great Kenny

I have the original sales invoice and every receipt and MOT from '81 to 06, but just can't remember where they're 'put safe'. I'll have another look tomorrow, see if the aerial is mentioned anywhere