The Lodge, Woodlands - For sale!

Charlie-Bravo

Well, it's up for sale now. It'd be interesting to see how long it is on the market, and if someone can find a use for this building with a business that can overcome its previous woes.

http://www.lisney.com/Commercial/The-Lodge-Greystones-CoWicklow.aspx

cuddlycavies

An Avoca might work. Shop downstairs. Cafe upstairs!

Charlie-Bravo

Footfall was always a problem for this building. Maybe it's time to look at an alternate use rather than a food/restaurant establishment. Would it suit office use?

I also think the aspect of parking being slightly away doesn't help matters either for retail. Who owns the park and ride car park anyway?

loyatemu

astrofluff wrote: »

Footfall was always a problem for this building. Maybe it's time to look at an alternate use rather than a food/restaurant establishment. Would it suit office use?

I also think the aspect of parking being slightly away doesn't help matters either for retail. Who owns the park and ride car park anyway?

Wicklow County Council I think - if it was Irish Rail, they'd be charging for parking.

recedite

astrofluff wrote: »

Footfall was always a problem for this building.

Described as being "on the edge of Greystones" in the brochure, but with "town centre zoning". And with the new Aldi opening soon beyond the swimming pool, I could imagine the "Greystones main street" area extending a lot further south in the future than it does now.

2011

recedite wrote: »

Described as being "on the edge of Greystones" in the brochure, but with "town centre zoning". And with the new Aldi opening soon beyond the swimming pool, I could imagine the "Greystones main street" area extending a lot further south in the future than it does now.

Nothing new, there are people that consider Charlesland as being in Greystones.

Charlie-Bravo

Here we go again...Greystones is a place, not a townland.

2011

astrofluff wrote: »

Here we go again...Greystones is a place, not a townland.

I am not arguing that either way, just illustrating that the description sounds fair when you consider how the "Greystones area" has been interpreted by many in recent years.

Charlie-Bravo

recedite wrote: »

Described as being "on the edge of Greystones" in the brochure, but with "town centre zoning". And with the new Aldi opening soon beyond the swimming pool, I could imagine the "Greystones main street" area extending a lot further south in the future than it does now.

The local area plan (draft 2013-2019) only shows 'town centre zoning' as far as the council compound. Sure, the south beach car park is town centre zoning too as is the park and ride car park. But once past the council compound/Woodlands Lodge sites, it's then 'employment' zoning at the IDA lands.

Interestingly, everything on the east side of the train line is also town centre use.

Anywhere else outside of this area is called Neighbourhood Centre, i.e. Charlesland Centre, Aldi, McGovern Estates with land beside rugby club, Tesco, Lidl. These are little clusters to serve the convenience of the neighbouring dwellers. But still people from Charlesland will drive to Lidl for the convenience of cheaper shopping!

Charlie-Bravo

2011 wrote: »

I am not arguing that either way, just illustrating that the description sounds fair when you consider how the "Greystones area" has been interpreted by many in recent years.

It is an interesting debate, with plenty of opinions from locals (new and old)...it is not something that will have an outcome that can be agreed upon.

2011

astrofluff wrote: »

It is an interesting debate, with plenty of opinions from locals (new and old)...it is not something that will have an outcome that can be agreed upon.

Agreed.

Cerco

astrofluff wrote: »

Here we go again...Greystones is a place, not a townland.

Those terms are not mutually exclusive. At the same time I am not arguing either way.

Plenty

From looking at the photo, I think it looks great as a studio. But maybe that's just me looking at it's potential in a different way...
Although, having said that there are a lot of studios in Greystones and in very close proximity too.
I hope the buyer does breathe a new lease of life into the building (whatever it ends up to be)

recedite

astrofluff wrote: »

The local area plan (draft 2013-2019) only shows 'town centre zoning' as far as the council compound. Sure, the south beach car park is town centre zoning too as is the park and ride car park. But once past the council compound/Woodlands Lodge sites, it's then 'employment' zoning at the IDA lands.

Interestingly, everything on the east side of the train line is also town centre use...

I don't think you are reading the map right. East of the railway is "open space" shown in green colour. Town centre, shown in red, is being extended down as far as the big field opposite Shoreline, which is zoned "E1 employment". The Lodge building comes into the "south beach action plan; AP4" with town centre zoning.

WCC draft dev. plan 2013 wrote:

10.5 AP4: SOUTH BEACH ACTION PLAN
An Action Plan is proposed for an area in the vicinity of South Beach. The lands are zoned for
town centre uses. The objective of the Action Plan will be to generate a framework for the re34
development of the area, incorporating the transport interchange function and ‘park and ride’
facilities. Key considerations in preparing the Action Plan will be:
• Development of lands as an extension to the established town centre with a mix of retail,
offices and public buildings, with residential uses interspersed to command public spaces and
the South Beach.
• Provision of active frontage to Mill Road.
• Maximise views from the development of the coast and sea.
• Improvements of the security and amenity of pedestrian access to South Beach
• Provision of the majority of car-parking in underground or part underground, under podium or
multi-storey format.
• Provision of a ‘park-and-ride’ site of an appropriate scale.
• Any development proposal shall include a public playground and outdoor adult gymnasium,
of appropriate size, in consultation with the Community and Enterprise Section of the Council.
These facilities shall be located within reasonable access of South Beach.
Any proposal shall have regard to the objectives set out for the adjoining E1 site and shall include
proposals for pedestrian/transportation linkages between the sites, and share a common design
principle in terms of mass, bulk, orientation etc of buildings.

Charlie-Bravo

There's nothing wrong with my map reading ability. Perhaps I should re-phrase my sentence: Everything considered as the built environment to the east of the railway line between the north and south beaches is zoned as TC (in red). Of course the green strip is open space

sinkadinka

I think a decent medical centre that opens weekends and not restricted to office hours. I know the primary care centre is planned for the harbour but i reckon this building would be perfect for it.

FirstIn

A gentleman's club.

aynneone

Primary care centre was certainly planned, but thats as far as it goes