Special needs........

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 9:24pm #1

How come there are so many people with special needs in Ireland? It seems staggering to me that there are so many. Almost every family I know has at least one child with special needs, some have three and four. I read somewhere recently that vaccines are suspect in autism and possibly add syndrome. Anyone else have views on this?

paddy147 · 27-06-2013 9:28pm

I wonder how far this thread will be allowed to go then???????

NuckingFacker · 27-06-2013 9:28pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

How come there are so many people with special needs in Ireland? It seems staggering to me that there are so many. Almost every family I know has at least one child with special needs, some have three and four. I read somewhere recently that vaccines are suspect in autism and possibly add syndrome. Anyone else have views on this?

Highly feckin doubtful. Slagging off the disabled/special needs is never going to be a win/win situation. Can you edit it a bit so's we can slag off the able bodied or the rich? Or bankers? Might have more appeal. How about "people who wear hats"?

kneemos · 27-06-2013 9:29pm

Were you vaccinated op?

monkeysnapper · 27-06-2013 9:29pm

O dear.........

GLaDOS · 27-06-2013 9:30pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I read somewhere recently that vaccines are suspect in autism

This was categorically shown to be false

_Kaiser_ · 27-06-2013 9:30pm

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Highly feckin doubtful. Slagging off the disabled/special needs is never going to be a win/win situation.

Hardly slagging off. He's just asking a legitimate question if there's a reason why the figures seem so high here

Can't you ask anything in this country anymore without the -ism/-ist/-ation cards being pulled..

NegativeCreep · 27-06-2013 9:32pm

We do have the highest proportions of CF in Ireland. I don't know why that is.

El Guapo! · 27-06-2013 9:33pm

In before the fluoride conspiracy nuts....

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 9:34pm

I'm not slagging them off i'm just wondering why there seem to be so many people with special needs. A fair question I think/hope?

NuckingFacker · 27-06-2013 9:35pm

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Hardly slagging off. He's just asking a legitimate question if there's a reason why the figures seem so high here

Can't you ask anything in this country anymore without the -ism/-ist/-ation cards being pulled..

Mother-of-god. I try and be PC, I really, really try. I don't mention anything rude, insulting or derogatory, and still someone has issues with it? Alright, maybe we have a crap diet. Maybe too many people drink when pregnant, or smoke, or do drugs. Maybe our water is crap. Maybe we are inherently disposed towards having special needs. Then again, one of my kids is classed as having "special needs" and I think he's just a lazy chancer. Maybe that's it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-06-2013 9:36pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

How come there are so many people with special needs in Ireland? It seems staggering to me that there are so many. Almost every family I know has at least one child with special needs, some have three and four. I read somewhere recently that vaccines are suspect in autism and possibly add syndrome. Anyone else have views on this?

I don't think there are any more than anywhere else. I also seriously doubt your figures of one, possible three or four in every family. So before we ask the laoded of question of "why is there" perhaps you could do some reseach into simple "is there" first.

NegativeCreep wrote: »

We do have the highest proportions of CF in Ireland. I don't know why that is.

Cystic Fibrosis is a physical disease, not a "special needs" case in the way that the OP discribes.

paddy147 · 27-06-2013 9:36pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I'm not slagging them off i'm just wondering why there seem to be so many people with special needs. A fair question I think/hope?

Knock on their doors and ask them all then.

Walks away shaking head in disbelief.:(

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 9:36pm

kneemos wrote: »

Were you vaccinated op?

No and i don't intend being either.

kingcobra · 27-06-2013 9:38pm

Don't every first world country generally get vaccinations? And as far as I see it, the majority of families don't have someone with noticeable special needs, certainly not 'almost every family' do have special needs, as you said.

earlyevening · 27-06-2013 9:38pm

60-90% of Downs Syndrome pregnancies are terminated in the US. That doesnt happen here for obvious reasons.

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 9:39pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I don't think there are any more than anywhere else. I also seriously doubt your figures of one, possible three or four in every family. So before we ask the laoded of question of "why is there" perhaps you could do some reseach into simple "is there" first.

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I was really just asking the question and yes, almost every family I know has one child with special needs and in some extreme cases all four.

Lucyfur · 27-06-2013 9:41pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I was really just asking the question and yes, almost every family I know has one child with special needs and in some extreme cases all four.

Do you only know, like, 3 families or something?

RDM_83 again · 27-06-2013 9:42pm

Because we're all in bred obviously!

Almost every family must be a bit of an exaggeration though? Maybe there's simply more identification of learning disabilities and the fact you know about the cases it is because the subject is more socially acceptable and there's more care in the community etc.

As to why the numbers might seem higher than our nearest neighbor at least, not making a political point here but the answer is probably ready access to abortion services.

Or you could just be imaging things !

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-06-2013 9:43pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I was really just asking the question and yes, almost every family I know has one child with special needs and in some extreme cases all four.

Who's doing the diagnosis? You?

endacl · 27-06-2013 9:43pm

My guess would be chemtrails OP...

On the other hand, have you any comparative international stats regarding the topic?

Maybe it seems more apparent because you live here?

kneemos · 27-06-2013 9:43pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I was really just asking the question and yes, almost every family I know has one child with special needs and in some extreme cases all four.

Where the hell do you live.Impossible that every family you know has a special needs kid,personally I don't know any.

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 9:43pm

Lucyfur wrote: »

Do you only know, like, 3 families or something?

No, I know lots of families, that's why i'm asking the question. I was surprised that there were so many and am wondering is there a reason for it or is it to do with a specific area of the country.

Lucyfur · 27-06-2013 9:44pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

No, I know lots of families, that's why i'm asking the question. I was surprised that there were so many and am wondering is there a reason for it or is it to do with a specific area of the country.

Watch the Leitrim folk

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-06-2013 9:47pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

No, I know lots of families, that's why i'm asking the question. I was surprised that there were so many and am wondering is there a reason for it or is it to do with a specific area of the country.

Because it's an abnormally high percentage - especially three or four in one family.

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 9:48pm

kneemos wrote: »

Where the hell do you live.Impossible that every family you know has a special needs kid,personally I don't know any.

Cork city. I have to call to lots of households for work and it just struck me that there were so many. I'm not here to mock or make fun of them as some of ye seem to think, I just found it alarming.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-06-2013 9:49pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Cork city. I have to call to lots of households for work and it just struck me that there were so many. I'm not here to mock or make fun of them as some of ye seem to think, I just found it alarming.

Lots of households? And you don;t know one household with no special needs case kids? Seriously? In a city the size of Cork?

Sergeant · 27-06-2013 9:51pm

In counties with better access to prenatal scanning, information and options, there are lower rates of Downs Syndrome (using a pertinent example) births.

As the news shows; these options aren't readily available in Ireland.

Lucyfur · 27-06-2013 9:51pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Cork city. I have to call to lots of households for work and it just struck me that there were so many. I'm not here to mock or make fun of them as some of ye seem to think, I just found it alarming.

What do you do? Cos if it's something along the lines of installing aides for special needs, that might be why you see so many.

gurramok · 27-06-2013 9:51pm

I'm curious too and now I hope PC brigade don't get offended.

Is it something to do with immigrant kids needing help to learn the English language in schools? Is that why there is pressure on numbers? (question regarding the news item about Special Needs Assistants)

Correct me if i'm wrong

kneemos · 27-06-2013 9:51pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Cork city. I have to call to lots of households for work and it just struck me that there were so many. I'm not here to mock or make fun of them as some of ye seem to think, I just found it alarming.

It would be alarming if it were true.

B.A._Baracus · 27-06-2013 9:52pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

How come there are so many people with special needs in Ireland? It seems staggering to me that there are so many. Almost every family I know has at least one child with special needs, some have three and four. I read somewhere recently that vaccines are suspect in autism and possibly add syndrome. Anyone else have views on this?

You are living on planet earth in Ireland, yeah? :pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-06-2013 9:54pm

gurramok wrote: »

I'm curious too and now I hope PC brigade don't get offended.

Is it something to do with immigrant kids needing help to learn the English language in schools? Is that why there is pressure on numbers?

Correct me if i'm wrong

Not really what the OP means by "special needs".

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 9:55pm

Lucyfur wrote: »

What do you do? Cos if it's something along the lines of installing aides for special needs, that might be why you see so many.

Obviously not. Anyway this is going nowhere so I won't bother ye any further.

earlyevening · 27-06-2013 9:55pm

Sergeant wrote: »

In counties with better access to prenatal scanning, information and options, there are lower rates of Downs Syndrome (using a pertinent example) births.

As the news shows; these options aren't readily available in Ireland.

Thanks for pretty much copying the idea of my earlier post.

How Soon Is Now · 27-06-2013 9:57pm

I'm watching this thread with special interest.... Let's see how consistent things are around here ;-)

My name is URL · 27-06-2013 9:57pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Almost every family I know has at least one child with special needs

I can't believe people are giving this shit the time of day after that tbh

Mr. CooL ICE · 27-06-2013 10:02pm

Interesting topic, OP.

Whenever I have visited foreign countries, I'm usually enjoying the weather, food, drink, scenery or generally relaxing. I'm not counting disabled people.

Sergeant · 27-06-2013 10:03pm

earlyevening wrote: »

Thanks for pretty much copying the idea of my earlier post.

Sorry, it's AH. I didn't bother reading your post.

Regardless, we both presented the same fact.

Dostoevsky · 27-06-2013 10:03pm

Whether we have more people with "special needs" or not can only begin to be answered by comparing the definition of "special needs" here with other countries.

I do know this for certain, however: parents who cannot raise the €800 to get their child assessed by an educational psychologist are at a massive disadvantage. The state's decision to restrict funding of that psychological assessment (because the state would then have to fund the supports which the psychologist would recommend) is beyond unethical: it's immoral. Not only is that child and his/her family suffering, but each and every student in that class will have their education impeded on a daily basis, often to an extent that would shock the parents if they were to see it.

Quinn's stunt in the past week is the tip of this issue; the number of SNAs is still far fewer than is required and what is happening in schools, particularly in deprived areas where the incidence is higher, will have repercussions for years to come. If parents were educated on how important the existence of an SNA is to the education of all the other students in each class, they would be more vocal.

Meanwhile, the state can claim (inaccurately, as it happens) it is providing diagnosed children with full supports, while nobody but nobody points out that the state's refusal to fund educational psychologists keeps the number of students with undiagnosed special needs at an all time high level. An undiagnosed child in a class is even more disruptive than a diagnosed one. All those young futures and hopes that we could change for the better by intervening now.... What will be the longer-term cost to society of this neglect?

For me, this issue is where I feel the Labour Party, and the social democrat wing of Fine Gael, has betrayed its values most ignominiously and unforgivably.

SuperGrover · 27-06-2013 10:05pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

How come there are so many people with special needs in Ireland?

ANY stats at all on this? Even EU averages? Surely a normal person wouldn't go out of their way to start a thread with this nonsense with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Bizarre.

El Guapo! · 27-06-2013 10:06pm

LordChessington wrote: »

Interesting topic, OP.

Whenever I have visited foreign countries, I'm usually enjoying the weather, food, drink, scenery or generally relaxing. I'm not counting disabled people.

Really?
That's usually my next game, right after "I spy"

SuperGrover · 27-06-2013 10:07pm

gurramok wrote: »

I'm curious too and now I hope PC brigade don't get offended.

Is it something to do with immigrant kids needing help to learn the English language in schools? Is that why there is pressure on numbers? (question regarding the news item about Special Needs Assistants)

Correct me if i'm wrong

You're assuming there is substance to this. Not sure that's a solid base for your curiosity.

pragmatic1 · 27-06-2013 10:07pm

Generations of brain drains and small genepool.

SK76 · 27-06-2013 10:10pm

My name is URL wrote: »

I can't believe people are giving this shit the time of day after that tbh

Hear hear. Have a kid yourself and even think of posting here re special needs and I pity the poor child. Some kids not as lucky as others and they need extra help. No fault of child or parent. The labels used are never ideal but right now it is special needs and if they need extra funding etc then it should be a priority - definitely bigger than repaying bankers. Maybe before kids and parents suffered in silence as the issue was brushed under carpet and now there is better diagnosis etc. Shame on original poster

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 10:11pm

SuperGrover wrote: »

ANY stats at all on this? Even EU averages? Surely a normal person wouldn't go out of their way to start a thread with this nonsense with absolutely nothing to back it up?

Bizarre.

Like I said I was just asking a question. I'm not a researcher and i'm not doing a survey on it. I did say "almost" not "every".

NegativeCreep · 27-06-2013 10:13pm

SK76 wrote: »

Hear hear. Have a kid yourself and even think of posting here re special needs and I pity the poor child. Some kids not as lucky as others and they need extra help. No fault of child or parent. The labels used are never ideal but right now it is special needs and if they need extra funding etc then it should be a priority - definitely bigger than repaying bankers. Maybe before kids and parents suffered in silence as the issue was brushed under carpet and now there is better diagnosis etc. Shame on original poster

When did anyone dispute this?

I swear to God some people go out of their way to get offended by the internet.

kneemos · 27-06-2013 10:14pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Like I said I was just asking a question. I'm not a researcher and i'm not doing a survey on it. I did say "almost" not "every".

Almost every family along you're street has a special needs kid?

steve_kav · 27-06-2013 10:15pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

How come there are so many people with special needs in Ireland? It seems staggering to me that there are so many. Almost every family I know has at least one child with special needs, some have three and four. I read somewhere recently that vaccines are suspect in autism and possibly add syndrome. Anyone else have views on this?

Almost every family you know have at least one child with special needs?????
What kind of a place do you live in? I live in an estate with 52 houses and there's 3 kids with special needs, far from almost every family.

Grimreaper666 · 27-06-2013 10:16pm

SK76 wrote: »

Hear hear. Have a kid yourself and even think of posting here re special needs and I pity the poor child. Some kids not as lucky as others and they need extra help. No fault of child or parent. The labels used are never ideal but right now it is special needs and if they need extra funding etc then it should be a priority - definitely bigger than repaying bankers. Maybe before kids and parents suffered in silence as the issue was brushed under carpet and now there is better diagnosis etc. Shame on original poster

Shame on me? I'm not blaming kids or parents or anyone in fact. I can't believe the reactions to a simple question. I don't see any reason for me to feel shamed for asking a fair question.

K-9 · 27-06-2013 10:18pm

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

How come there are so many people with special needs in Ireland? It seems staggering to me that there are so many. Almost every family I know has at least one child with special needs, some have three and four. I read somewhere recently that vaccines are suspect in autism and possibly add syndrome. Anyone else have views on this?

Mod:
I'd suggest your experience is a statistical anomaly, some have 3 or 4 with special needs?

If anybody can provide figures that show we have a higher rate than other countries, pm me, and I'll re-open it. As others said abortion and societal attitudes are probably a big factor.

Special needs........

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