Seriously harassed by teenagers at the Lee Fields Walk!

SpaceTime

What is Cork coming to?

We just parked the car about an hour ago to get out for a walk along the Lee Fields route on the Straight Road just opposite County Hall.

This feral teenager started hitting the car (parked with us inside) and shouting at us.

Then he attacked a cyclist!

meanwhile his little 'gang' including a group of girls were laughing away thinking the whole thing was hilarious.

Crazy stuff and completely spoiled or plan for a walk. My other half won't go back there ever again now.

gimmick

That's the summer hols for ya. And you can do fûck all about it as the little scripted know their rights more that you ever will. Scuts.

Weathering

Buy a Rottweiler

Mech1

Bikes dont have reg numbers, im sure you know a few lads with bikes?

murphym7

I would head back with a group of my other male adult friends to take a little stroll and educate the youths on what proper behaviour is expected of them while congregating in public spaces. See how much harassament ensues then. Little f**kers.

CptMackey

Be no harm if the fell into the river and drowned. Scumbags get away with what ever they want. Gards don't care

hoodwinked

SpaceTime wrote: »

What is Cork coming to?

We just parked the car about an hour ago to get out for a walk along the Lee Fields route on the Straight Road just opposite County Hall.

This feral teenager started hitting the car (parked with us inside) and shouting at us.

Then he attacked a cyclist!

meanwhile his little 'gang' including a group of girls were laughing away thinking the whole thing was hilarious.

Crazy stuff and completely spoiled or plan for a walk. My other half won't go back there ever again now.

did you call the gardaí over? i would have, they would have sorted them out,

it tends to be a re-occurrence around parks, walkways and playgrounds lately, i know in our local playground they start drinking at 3pm so they'll be sober by their 10pm curfew which means by 4pm you have to take the children away from the play area because they start smashing the empty glass bottles,


we called the local garda station but its closed most of the time, togher gardaí do come out sometimes and scare them off briefly, or bring the troublemakers home but they are back again an hour later or the next day.

SpaceTime

Generation of teenage alcoholics on the way

Maudi

SpaceTime wrote: »

Generation of teenage alcoholics on the way

Generation of adult do nothings here.

SpaceTime

Maudi wrote: »

Generation of adult do nothings here.

What is that supposed to mean?


You tackle them and get stabbed or accused of assaulting a minor.

All pointless.

They've park wardens in other countries who show up now and then. We don't have any of that stuff.

harvester of sorrow

murphym7 wrote: »

I would head back with a group of my other male adult friends to take a little stroll and educate the youths on what proper behaviour is expected of them while congregating in public spaces. See how much harassament ensues then. Little f**kers.

This.
Get a few of your buddys and head back to said location and teach these little scrotes a few manners.
I wouldnt take any shit off them tbh.

sweetie

gifted wrote: »

catch the little scumbag and twist his arm around his back until you hear the snap, then get him down on his knees and kick his head until the blood is oozing out of his ears, get a bar and whack his spine till its gone and hang his limp f..ked body from a pole with a sign up warning other scumbags...

:eek::(

SpaceTime

We aren't living in some kind of medieval society or in an ultra violent computer game.

A bit of CCTV and a rosming park warden covering some of those walks is probably more than enough.

GavRedKing

SpaceTime wrote: »

We aren't living in some kind of medieval society or in an ultra violent computer game.

A bit of CCTV and a rosming park warden covering some of those walks is probably more than enough.

That all costs money, money a council wont spend on such projects.

the beer revolu

murphym7 wrote: »

I would head back with a group of my other male adult friends to take a little stroll and educate the youths on what proper behaviour is expected of them while congregating in public spaces. See how much harassament ensues then. Little f**kers.

Yes very clever if you want a stab wound and/or a conviction for assault.
A war between "us" and "them" is just what we need!
Thankfully you are probably all bluff and bluster or our society would be far worse off.

And no I'm not a bleeding heart with no anger towards anti-social/criminal behaviour. I'd just rather see the problems fixed rather than exacerbated. I fully understand your reaction but that sort of action helps nobody.

bumper234

hoodwinked wrote: »

did you call the gardaí over? i would have, they would have sorted them out,

it tends to be a re-occurrence around parks, walkways and playgrounds lately, i know in our local playground they start drinking at 3pm so they'll be sober by their 10pm curfew which means by 4pm you have to take the children away from the play area because they start smashing the empty glass bottles,


we called the local garda station but its closed most of the time, togher gardaí do come out sometimes and scare them off briefly, or bring the troublemakers home but they are back again an hour later or the next day.

???

bumper234

SpaceTime wrote: »

We aren't living in some kind of medieval society or in an ultra violent computer game.

A bit of CCTV and a rosming park warden covering some of those walks is probably more than enough.

CCTV camera would be broken within 5 minutes and as for a park warden...who are you going to hire that will stand up to a bunch of scrotes???

sensormatic

a good kicking for them ,,,,its the only language they understand.....
the ringing the guards stuff is a load of balls tbh,,,useless,,, kids are not afraid anymore,,,a talking too from a guard,,he he for them,,,,a right good hiding is the answer,,,

Manach

SpaceTime wrote: »

We aren't living in some kind of medieval society or in an ultra violent computer game.

Offhand I'd not be able to source medieval society evidence, but from I remember of my studies that the parents were held more accountable for the actions of their children during those times and there used to a differing mindset of community spirit which meant such acts were seen as disrespectful to all the members of the wider community.

the beer revolu

Manach wrote: »

Offhand I'd not be able to source medieval society evidence, but from I remember of my studies that the parents were held more accountable for the actions of their children during those times and there used to a differing mindset of community spirit which meant such acts were seen as disrespectful to all the members of the wider community.

So we should try to foster that kind of society or have all the "decent" folk armed with iron bars thrashing the "scumbags"? The two do not go hand in hand.
Not sure what you're getting at.

SpaceTime

Manach wrote: »

Offhand I'd not be able to source medieval society evidence, but from I remember of my studies that the parents were held more accountable for the actions of their children during those times and there used to a differing mindset of community spirit which meant such acts were seen as disrespectful to all the members of the wider community.

I was actually referring to a post that was suggesting extremely violent medieval style action. It seems to have been deleted.

mordeith

When I was that age (and I'm only 35) if you tried anything like that you'd get a kicking from the person in question. Then if you went home you'd get another hiding from your parents. There were reprecussions for your actions. That doesn't exist now. Even serious assault cases are dealth with by suspended sentences. And God forbid if you even verbally admonish a kid for doing something wrong now. You'll have their parents screaming at you to leave their little darling alone. I'm the father of two young lads and I hope than if they ever give cause someone trouble in my estate that the peson gives em a right bollicking. Kids have to learn that actions have consequences.

harvester of sorrow

mordeith wrote: »

When I was that age (and I'm only 35) if you tried anything like that you'd get a kicking from the person in question. Then if you went home you'd get another hiding from your parents. There were reprecussions for your actions. That doesn't exist now. Even serious assault cases are dealth with by suspended sentences. And God forbid if you even verbally admonish a kid for doing something wrong now. You'll have their parents screaming at you to leave their little darling alone. I'm the father of two young lads and I hope than if they ever give cause someone trouble in my estate that the peson gives em a right bollicking. Kids have to learn that actions have consequences.

Here here.

hoodwinked

bumper234 wrote: »

???

my point was that they

a: would have got rid of them while the op went for a walk, and

b: town is covered by the gardaí they'd easily be able to head to the lee fields walkway to monitor it if they knew there was trouble there. our local playground is under-covered by having no Gardaí and overrun with these teenagers,

who_me

hoodwinked wrote: »

did you call the gardaí over? i would have, they would have sorted them out,

it tends to be a re-occurrence around parks, walkways and playgrounds lately, i know in our local playground they start drinking at 3pm so they'll be sober by their 10pm curfew which means by 4pm you have to take the children away from the play area because they start smashing the empty glass bottles,


we called the local garda station but its closed most of the time, togher gardaí do come out sometimes and scare them off briefly, or bring the troublemakers home but they are back again an hour later or the next day.

Unlikely to make much difference. Here in Douglas, we had a group of kids throwing stones at pedestrians, and hit one woman in the face. When we called the Gardaí, they said they'd be over in 5 minutes, and they never showed up. This was about 400m from Douglas Garda station.

the beer revolu

who_me wrote: »

Unlikely to make much difference. Here in Douglas, we had a group of kids throwing stones at pedestrians, and hit one woman in the face. When we called the Gardaí, they said they'd be over in 5 minutes, and they never showed up. This was about 400m from Douglas Garda station.

That doesn't mean that the gardaí shouldn't be called, though. There'd be very little notice taken of a complaint that the gardaí didn't turn up if they're not called. You should make a complaint, really.

hoodwinked

who_me wrote: »

Unlikely to make much difference. Here in Douglas, we had a group of kids throwing stones at pedestrians, and hit one woman in the face. When we called the Gardaí, they said they'd be over in 5 minutes, and they never showed up. This was about 400m from Douglas Garda station.

lol douglas is the local station i was on about , in the city and by the lee fields there is a high Garda presence unlike in Douglas where there is none,

the odd togher squad car driving through really doesn't count.

murphym7

the beer revolu wrote: »

Yes very clever if you want a stab wound and/or a conviction for assault.
A war between "us" and "them" is just what we need!
Thankfully you are probably all bluff and bluster or our society would be far worse off.

And no I'm not a bleeding heart with no anger towards anti-social/criminal behaviour. I'd just rather see the problems fixed rather than exacerbated. I fully understand your reaction but that sort of action helps nobody.

I find it interesting that you think that I would actually assault these youths. I also find it fascinating that you can make the assertion that I am full of "bluff and bluster". All this from reading one post, very perceptive!

You don't know me, you have no idea of how I have dealt with this type of situation before and how I will deal with it again. If you and others do not want to get involved, that's fine. Ignore and hope that it goes away. Gardai won't be doing much about it.

I am not a big tough guy, but I will always challenge this behaviour when I come across it. You say you would like the problems fixed, please enlighten us on how exactly this might occur?

Fell free to sit on the fence if you are not comfortable standing up for yourself, not everyone can. I have a backbone and will never put up with this sort of crap from anybody, let alone a bunch of saucy kids.

Herb Powell

I understand how this is intimidating if you had your children with you, and of course you shouldn't have to put up with it, but being put off ever going back there is a little much. Stand up to them, but at the same time understand that teenagers are all going to act really stupid at some time, some worse than others, so you will encounter this sort of thing from time to time. As you said, he was clearly trying to impress the girls he was with.

All this talk of "Knackergeddon", so to speak, is really getting very old.

sensormatic

yo spacetime if your around sunday at 3 please do come to chruchfield park for a family day out,,,musc,,,dog show,,,face painting,,,sports day..all free and run by the people up here,,,no scumbags will enter,,,,the dogs will eat them,,plenty of home grown security for all up here,,,its well run the kids love it,,,food and icecream as well as a first aid stand just in case for bumps and all that,,,do come along if you wish we welcome all

SpaceTime

Thanks for the invite but I'm unlikely to make it.
Have fun!

pwurple

hoodwinked wrote: »

lol douglas is the local station i was on about , in the city and by the lee fields there is a high Garda presence unlike in Douglas where there is none,

the odd togher squad car driving through really doesn't count.

Yeah, I don't think the douglas one is manned at all anymore. I was trying to find the douglas one open four days in a row during their advertised 'opening hours'. No joy.

It looks like they have only one garda on shift, who is called out all day long or something. Bit of a waste of a giant building if they are doing that, could just base the garda in town or togher and stop wasting everyones time/taxes running an empty building and listing it as open. ****ty fot the garda as well. He/she must get abuse from all quarters.

As for OP, keep yourself out of it if you can. They are only looking for a fight. Best not to even entertain them.

pow wow

Douglas opens around lunchtime every day but not sure for how. Well when I say opens...someone answers the phone who isn't a garda from the atogher station, put it that way.

wheresmybeaver

I started to notice this since the primary schools closed around Cork last week, it seems that loads of the kids are being left out at all hours now. And with the fine weather too they're out in mobs.

I was waiting for my Dominos pizza order in Blackpool the other night and there was a big gang of fairly young lads and lassies hanging out outside the shopping centre. The girls were running the show and the lads were tripping over each other to impress, it's kinda funny to watch. I remember those days! Except in a lot of cases recently it seems that this one-upmanship leads to drinking, harassment of others and vandalism.

If someone could set up a dating agency for these teenagers then that'd keep them all busy for the summer! Problem solved!

Ludo

Primary schools only closed yesterday though not last week. I assume you mean secondary schools?

No Pants

WTF? Are adults now running scared of primary school kids now? Pack a hurl and a tennis ball/sliothar into the back of the car. That's what I do. Never know when I might fancy knocking a ball around.

the beer revolu

murphym7 wrote: »

I find it interesting that you think that I would actually assault these youths. I also find it fascinating that you can make the assertion that I am full of "bluff and bluster". All this from reading one post, very perceptive!

You don't know me, you have no idea of how I have dealt with this type of situation before and how I will deal with it again. If you and others do not want to get involved, that's fine. Ignore and hope that it goes away. Gardai won't be doing much about it.

I am not a big tough guy, but I will always challenge this behaviour when I come across it. You say you would like the problems fixed, please enlighten us on how exactly this might occur?

Fell free to sit on the fence if you are not comfortable standing up for yourself, not everyone can. I have a backbone and will never put up with this sort of crap from anybody, let alone a bunch of saucy kids.

There is a very big difference between challenging this sort of behaviour when you come across is and:

I would head back with a group of my other male adult friends to take a little stroll and educate the youths on what proper behaviour is expected of them while congregating in public spaces. See how much harassament ensues then. Little f**kers.

. I cannot infer anything other than aggression and violence in that statement. How else would you "educate" them? Take them down a peg or two with your razor sharp wit? Maybe shame them into remorse with a compelling speech?

The reason I said that you are probably full of bluff and bluster is that, in my experience, most people who speak of taking up vigilante action are, thankfully, full of bluff and bluster but as you say, I don't know you. Maybe you are one of the few who actually does follow through on your violent rhetoric. I hope not, though.

Because I don't agree with your short term solution, doesn't mean I have one quick answer to the problem. Combating anti-social behaviour requires long term social strategy. It requires more and better policing. It requires better education for all. It requires more parental responsibility. It requires a narrowing of the economic divide. It requires better social infrastructure and activities for youths. It requires a better justice system to deal with young offenders and more youth prison places. All long term issues. I don't have any short term solutions nor do I have to to disagree with your approach.

Now, I've no doubt you're very strong and brave and have a fantastic spinal cord but, as I said, there is a huge difference between standing up to this sort of behaviour as you might come across it and what you suggested in your first post. Your suggestion that I can't or won't stand up for myself really took me down a notch - not.

If you really believe that you and a gang of your mates can "educate", the little f**kers and improve the situation, then take to the streets!

wheresmybeaver

Ludo wrote: »

Primary schools only closed yesterday though not last week. I assume you mean secondary schools?

No Pants wrote: »

WTF? Are adults now running scared of primary school kids now? Pack a hurl and a tennis ball/sliothar into the back of the car. That's what I do. Never know when I might fancy knocking a ball around.

Since it was the last week of school there was a bit of a celebratory spirit around during the evenings, and yeah there's plenty of sixth class kids out and about as well! I'm in a big estate with loads of kids of all ages and I can tell ya it's different from when I was in fifth or sixth class!

In fairness though most of the trouble is from those in the 12 - 17 age range. Any violence against these kids will only do more damage in the long run. There's no harm in bringing a big walking stick or hurley with you just to use as a suggestive defensive weapon against anyone who might consider assaulting you. But actually using it should obviously be a last resort. Try to think back to when you were that age - getting a reaction from somebody was the marker for success. Just ignore them, and if they try to escalate to anything more serious then try to remove yourself from the situation. It sounds cowardly to some but avoiding eye contact and getting away is the best recourse. Similarly if someone was attacking my car I'd move it straight away and call the guards. Having a standoff or similar won't achieve anything.

Or get all of your friends, collect some weapons (clubs, bats, tridents, that sort of thing) and have yourself a turf war with Wes Mantooth and the rest of those ****s from the KQHS Channel 9 Evening News Team.

EDIT: the beer revolution makes some excellent points, fully agree

corkplumber

its getting that rough. even the dogs are going around in pairs.:D

leahyl

I just had to come on here and tell of my experience last night when out running in the lee fields with my friend.

As you would expect it was fairly busy due to the amazing weather we've been having but there was a particular crowd of youngsters there that you wouldn't normally see any other time of the year - the rubbish surrounding them was unbelievable - cans and papers strewn everywhere - on the walkway, in the grass etc. We had to walk in between them as there was a gang sitting on a bench and then there were more half on the walkway. They didn't say anything to us but it was still intimidating.

I just couldn't believe the litter that was around - the lee fields is always immaculate in my experience.

I was just disgusted to be quite honest - going out there again tonight so I suppose it'll be the same thing again.

SpaceTime

Ring the Gardai and the Litter warden's office.

I'm not sure if the County or a City is responsible for the while route do maybe ring both

leahyl

SpaceTime wrote: »

Ring the Gardai and the Litter warden's office.

I'm not sure if the County or a City is responsible for the while route do maybe ring both

I would think the City Council would be responsible? Anyway I emailed them there

sensormatic

SpaceTime wrote: »

Ring the Gardai and the Litter warden's office.

I'm not sure if the County or a City is responsible for the while route do maybe ring both

closed after 5pm the gardai will not answer a call like that,,,,litter office might do if they have someone around they are very stretched at this time due to cutbacks but the gardai will only laugh at you for a call like this,,,also due to cutbacks an so on,,,,

Wyldwood

Was for a walk in the Lee Fields at 10 o'clock this morning and the place was a real mess with papers, cans, bottles & even items of clothing all flung around quite a large area. Hope it's not going to become a regular occurrence as it's such a lovely walk.

SpaceTime

Cork City Litter Hotline 1800 22 22 26

National Litter Hotline (Environmental Protection Agency) 1850 365 121

leahyl

I actually emailed the County Council by accident and got a response from a girl who said she would "pass on my email to the City Council" :rolleyes: let's see what, if anything, happens

bogman

Passed there today, large numbers of teenagers largely enjoying themselves, many drinking, understand how this could be "very intimidating"
I would tend to avoid this area in the afternoon and evening in this weather, I certainly would have felt more comfortable with a couple of large dogs and a big hurley considering the area is not under supervision and wardens seem to be a thing of the past

gobnaitolunacy

Loads of what I assumed to be boozy teens with towels walking out in front of cars yesterday evening coming back from their annual wash.

Kept the head down with baseball cap on and successfully passed under their radar.

leahyl

bogman wrote: »

Passed there today, large numbers of teenagers largely enjoying themselves, many drinking, understand how this could be "very intimidating"
I would tend to avoid this area in the afternoon and evening in this weather, I certainly would have felt more comfortable with a couple of large dogs and a big hurley considering the area is not under supervision and wardens seem to be a thing of the past

Yeah,we just stayed out on the footpath near the road and then went in the entrance at the lee fields car park as there didn't seem to be any more of them further down.

It's bloody annoying though seeing all the litter.

darkdubh

Is there any security in Bishop Lucy park anymore?They seem to have just given up and left it to the winos and scumbags.They need to bring back that scary looking dude with the weird eyes.