Right of way at junction?

Eglinton

Just wanted to get your thoughts on whether I was in the right or wrong in this situation. Happy to be proved either.

At a junction with lights, I was turning right. Light was green so I was in the middle of the junction waiting for a break in the oncoming traffic. I'm holding up a large line of traffic behind as it's a single lane road. The next oncoming car is turning left. There is a filter lane, with a yield sign to take him to the road I also want to turn on to. As he is indicating left into the filter, I can now turn right as there's enough gap to the car behind him. I would have expected him to yield in the filter lane for me but he didn't and stared me out of it and gesticulated angrily as I was coming towards him. I let him go but I would have thought I had the right of way. Any other day, I would have happily let him go but as I said, I was holding up a line of traffic and was annoyed ye didn't yield.



Am I in the wrong?

Hopefully I've explained clearly enough.

cython

Sorry but I think you were in the wrong as you were basically cutting across his path, and filter lane or no you should only cross the road to turn right when your way is clear of oncoming traffic, and while he was turning left he was still oncoming

Edit: missed part of the OP and interpreted filter Lane in the sense of a parallel one and not one that kind of diverges around an island to kind of bypass the junction which the yield suggests. If this was in fact the case then he's in the wrong

Eglinton

cython wrote: »

Sorry but I think you were in the wrong as you were basically cutting across his path, and filter lane or no you should only cross the road to turn right when your way is clear of oncoming traffic, and while he was turning left he was still oncoming

Edit: missed part of the OP and interpreted filter Lane in the sense of a parallel one and not one that kind of diverges around an island to kind of bypass the junction which the yield suggests. If this was in fact the case then he's in the wrong

Yes, your edit is correct. It's the one where he's diverging to the left between an island.


This is the junction if it helps. Imagine I'm the estate car on the right of the picture and he's coming from the left in to that filter lane.

the_syco

Eglinton wrote: »

The next oncoming car is turning left. There is a filter lane, with a yield sign to take him to the road I also want to turn on to.

Who does he have to yield to? Google map of the junction please?

ron jambo

You have the right of way.

Del2005

ron jambo wrote: »

You have the right of way.

I'm always wary when crossing these junctions to make sure the other driver knows that they need to stop and I'm ready to stop if they don't.

ron jambo

Yeah. some people d'ont know right of way,but are very aggro, like roundabouts .

coylemj

If you have a green light (either solid green or green right turn filter) and his left turn lane has a 'Yield' sign then you have the right of way since the 'Yield' sign tells him to yield to all traffic, it does not and could not be selective as to which traffic he should yield to.

He may have been wrongly operating under this principle which would apply in the case of no lights or signage and under which he would have had the right of way....

If you plan to turn right at a junction and a vehicle from the opposite direction wants to turn into the same road, the vehicle that is turning left has right of way. If yours is the vehicle turning right, you must wait for the other vehicle to turn first.


Rules of the Road, Section 9, Junctions and roundabouts.

Del2005

coylemj wrote: »

He may have been wrongly operating under this principle which would apply in the case of no lights or signage and under which he would have had the right of way....

From the OPs picture of the junction the other car never has right of way. The island in the middle means they've already completed their left turn and are now trying to join the road which means traffic from their right has right of way. If there was no island then they would have right of way.

the groutch

it looks like he would have a flashing amber arrow, so you would be in the right.

Losty Dublin

the_syco wrote: »

Who does he have to yield to? Google map of the junction please?

The junction is that of Rathmines Road, Highfield Avenue, Dartry Road and Palmerstown Park. Arguably the most disjointed staggered crossroads in the city it's infamous for mistakes like OP describes and has failed many a person at driving test time.

For what it's worth OP and my experience of that junction then you should have right of way based on the traffic signal arrangements there. If you came from Dartry Road it's not so much a turn right as the road bends right as you join Rathmines Road; if from Palmerstown Park then a traffic light and filter gives you permission to proceed straight or right.

If you did stop then it may have given the other motorist enough time to assume he had space to move. And I have seen it happen a few times before; it is a confusing junction if you don't know it.

Merch

Initially when you (OP) said the other driver had a yield, I was expecting a yield sign
but there is none or any yield markings on the road.

If there was a yield sign (even painted on the road) or they had a flashing yellow or there were no markings then Id say YOU have the right of way

Im not familiar with the junction, so I dont know, maybe they have a green filter there?
If thats the case they would have the right to proceed only with caution and Id assume you crossed the junction after your lights went red, in which case I can see where they might be a bit non plussed, but Id still suggest they should yield,
unless you were blatantly disregarding the lights and not just completing your turn.


Overall, Id imagine you were right
On the basis of them staring you out of it, its just not worth it and very silly of them, they could have ploughed into anything in the time it took to visually berate you.
Just leave them off, in their own blissful ignorance,unfortunately they probably will plough someone out of it because they thought they were right or be involved in a collision because they would not give way even if they were right, just not worth it with this sort.

AlekSmart

the groutch wrote: »

it looks like he would have a flashing amber arrow, so you would be in the right.

Also worth noting that in the absence of statutory signage,then it's worth looking for road markings.

In the OP's case he can be said to be occupying the "main" road,whereas the vehicle conflicting with him has two Stop lines to cross,one in advance of the Pedestrian Crossing element and the second,which is the reverse of the No-Entry marking to that side of the road.

As Losty sez,In this case,and assuming No pedestrian involvement,I would expect the other driver to stop,or yield, behind the Second Stop line before proceeding with caution.

Another High-Profile location which can see similar demonstrations of ignorance/aggression is Parnell St/Parnell Sq West at the Kingfisher chipper.

Whilst DCC have erected Extra-Large Yield signs governing East bound traffic from Parnell St,a goodly amount of drivers do not see/choose to ignore them,treating the junction accordingly...often with expensive results !

Chris_5339762

Thats a dismally confusing junction at the best of times and I've nearly had a few times a few times due to people who have right of way over me dithering and not moving, then SUDDENLY going at it when I'm halfway through my turn. Part of the problem also is that the mainline is not straight on, as thats a dead end. That can be confusing.

It needs a bit of work done to it.

mitosis

The OP is already on the main road, the other driver on a slip and must yield, sign or not, to traffic coming from the right on a superior road. OP is in possession of right of way.

Cookie_Monster

As Alek says there is a stop line painted on the slip road so whether there are signs or not this is the ruling piece of road marking and anyone there must stop, traffic or not before proceeding.
It very simple and clear tbh.