Motor tax - off the road

etymon

Usually at the end of every summer I get a Garda to sign a form saying car has been off the road for taxation purposes as I don't need the car outside of the college year. Someone said the rules on this might have changed - you need to advise them in advance now? Anyone know if this is true.
I have rung the motor tax office and they say no idea (great help).

fartyarse

It is being brought in (not totally sure when), that when you declare your car off the road, you'll have to do that in the tax office AND there will be a €30-€35 charge for doing so.

Long story short, you'll have to pay to NOT use your car.

AlekSmart

etymon wrote: »

Usually at the end of every summer I get a Garda to sign a form saying car has been off the road for taxation purposes as I don't need the car outside of the college year. Someone said the rules on this might have changed - you need to advise them in advance now? Anyone know if this is true.
I have rung the motor tax office and they say no idea (great help).

As of now,Today,there is no change from the original system.

The only role of the Garda is to witness YOU making the off-road declaration,the Garda concerned could'nt care less what sort of yoke or how long it had been lying up....it;s YOUR signature that's being witnessed.

Changes are mooted,but they're probably deep in negotiations with the SIMI to find some new way to enrich it's members...:eek:

etymon

Thanks. I remember from last year that the Garda did disappear to do some sort of clandestine searching of something to make sure it hadn't been on the road, no idea how, before she would sign it but it's usually no problem.

kub

A friend has a van which is insured but is off the road due to the fact that it does not currently have an engine, half of the current engine is on the front seat. The tax is out of date, as it is no longer capable of being driven does it need to be taxed ie it is no longer an mpv as such.

dickwod1

kub wrote: »

A friend has a van which is insured but is off the road due to the fact that it does not currently have an engine, half of the current engine is on the front seat. The tax is out of date, as it is no longer capable of being driven does it need to be taxed ie it is no longer an mpv as such.

If its not being driven it needs no tax (apart from the fact the van cant be stopped by a Garda as its broken up.)

No Pants

Is it still considered a motorised vehicle and therefore needing to be taxed if the engine is missing?

dickwod1

No Pants wrote: »

Is it still considered a motorised vehicle and therefore needing to be taxed if the engine is missing?

? ?

Tax for a van that you either have to push around or tow around ?

If its off the road no tax needed

Del2005

kub wrote: »

A friend has a van which is insured but is off the road due to the fact that it does not currently have an engine, half of the current engine is on the front seat. The tax is out of date, as it is no longer capable of being driven does it need to be taxed ie it is no longer an mpv as such.

dickwod1 wrote: »

If its not being driven it needs no tax (apart from the fact the van cant be stopped by a Garda as its broken up.)

Not quite right, if it's not being used on a Public road it doesn't need tax. Parking the van on a public road would require it to be taxed as it's using the road, regardless of it having an engine or not. Once it's on private property it doesn't need to be taxed.

No Pants

If it's taxed based on the size or emissions of an engine that it doesn't have, then surely the rate is €0.

guttenberg

I don't see what the big confusion is about the planned changes. Your vehicles must either be taxed or be declared off the road, simples. It's to close the loophole of 3 months on/3 months off.

No Pants

guttenberg wrote: »

I don't see what the big confusion is about the planned changes. Your vehicles must either be taxed or be declared off the road, simples. It's to close the loophole of 3 months on/3 months off.

The confusion is caused by people on here saying that you have to pay motor tax on a vehicle that doesn't have a motor.

flyingsnail

No Pants wrote: »

The confusion is caused by people on here saying that you have to pay motor tax on a vehicle that doesn't have a motor.

As far as I know unless the owner has filled out a change in particulars form (RF111) and has received the paperwork back from the tax office, the van is still liable for the tax based on the details currently held by them.

Side note, I am not entirely convinced that you can declassify something as a motor vehicle and re classify it at a trailer(?).

AntiRip

fartyarse wrote: »

AND there will be a €30-€35 charge for doing so

Source for this info?


OP, my car is also off the road for the summer as I dont need it for college. The rules are changing in August last time i heard. Instead of declaring it of the road afterwards it's done beforehand. So come August we probably have to get the RF111 signed up to then and then declare it of the road till September if that applies to you too.

Recent Article
http://www.thejournal.ie/changes-motor-tax-arrears-857800-Apr2013/

sirdeclan

Under the new rules introduced today, does anyone know exactly what the procedure is if your vehicle has been off the road for a few months prior to the new rules coming in. That is, after the 1st of July (today) how do you aviod paying tax for the months prior to 1st of July when the vehicle was off the road.

Any replies welcome on this Q.

guttenberg

AFAIK there is a 3 month grace period of getting the Gardai to sign the form declaring cars off road re backtax. So get the form signed that your car has been off the road for a few months, and then declare that it will still be off the road for however many months you think it will be before its back on the road.

AntiRip

sirdeclan wrote: »

Under the new rules introduced today, does anyone know exactly what the procedure is if your vehicle has been off the road for a few months prior to the new rules coming in. That is, after the 1st of July (today) how do you aviod paying tax for the months prior to 1st of July when the vehicle was off the road.

Any replies welcome on this Q.

I wasn't aware the new rules came in today. Can you provide a source please. Thanks

flyingsnail

AntiRip wrote: »

I wasn't aware the new rules came in today. Can you provide a source please. Thanks

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/offroad-motor-loophole-closed-29384953.html

AntiRip

Found some info here too
http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/VehicleOffRoadProcedures
Thanks

AntiRip

Just reading the new rules. It takes no consideration for those if they're cars are off the road shorter than 3 months.

Anyway, you can still get the form signed up to September so no panic.

corktina

if the car is declared off the road (lets say for three months) I can't see anything to stop you then taxing it after (say) two months and putting it back on the road....the three to twelve months bit is a bit superfluous isn't it?

khards

So what can I do?

I imported the bike 6 months ago and paid VRT on, and it is currently living my shed.

I have just passed my motorbike test, but have not got through my full license yet and do not have insurance yet because the bike is off road.

Will I have now have to pay the last 6 months tax? I may not be able to insure it until the end of the month (next pay day), then I will have to wait a week for the paperwork, so it will more likely be 7 months.

Also the Bike has never been taxed.

corktina

no, all you have to do is declare it off the road in september or before, which will clear the arrears and allow you not to pay tax for the future off road period. AT least that's how I read it

AlekSmart

corktina wrote: »

no, all you have to do is declare it off the road in september or before, which will clear the arrears and allow you not to pay tax for the future off road period. AT least that's how I read it

I suspect that there will be quite a few "As I read it" situations.

It would be difficult to come up with a more convoluted and customer resistant form of words than what has appeared.

Now,what I fully expect is the DOE to suddenly witness a massive influx of previously uncollected Motor Taxation,thereby enabling them to reduce the penal rates going forward......would that appear a fair and equitable result..???

Losty Dublin

AlekSmart wrote: »

I suspect that there will be quite a few "As I read it" situations.

It would be difficult to come up with a more convoluted and customer resistant form of words than what has appeared.

Now,what I fully expect is the DOE to suddenly witness a massive influx of previously uncollected Motor Taxation,thereby enabling them to reduce the penal rates going forward......would that appear a fair and equitable result..???

Wait till you read this, Alek

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/VehicleOffRoadProcedures/TransitionalArrangements/

IsMiseJoe

I'm heading away for 5 weeks in a few days. My motor tax just expired at the end of June. When I get back I'll tax it again beginning in August.
Do I need to declare non-use for the month of July or can I just come back and go to Gardai as usual with a motor tax renewal form etc?

yoloc

Jesus, i never heard of this untill now. My car has been off the road for 2 months now and will be for another month. Can anyone tell me what i can do will i have to pay teh 3 month arrears ?

etymon

Hi guys, so after 14 minutes on hold with motor tax, the answer is:

my car is off the road from May-September
I need to get the usual form signed in re: May and June by a Garda (100A)
and then send in form 150 in re: July, August and September - both available here

AntiRip

etymon wrote: »

Hi guys, so after 14 minutes on hold with motor tax, the answer is:

my car is off the road from May-September
I need to get the usual form signed in re: May and June by a Garda (100A)
and then send in form 150 in re: July, August and September - both available here

It says here you can get the RF111 signed off until the end of September for the period off the road

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/VehicleOffRoadProcedures/TransitionalArrangements

listermint

AlekSmart wrote: »

I suspect that there will be quite a few "As I read it" situations.

It would be difficult to come up with a more convoluted and customer resistant form of words than what has appeared.

Now,what I fully expect is the DOE to suddenly witness a massive influx of previously uncollected Motor Taxation,thereby enabling them to reduce the penal rates going forward......would that appear a fair and equitable result..???

That is not going to happen, and if you think it is. You clearly havent lived in this country long enough.

What will happen is the same rates, and perhaps the usual yearly increase in motor tax rates per vehicle and then they will throw on a charge for this Sorn calling it an Admin charge (not a tax)

That is what will happen. This is not the UK where policies are sensible and weighted.

AlekSmart

listermint wrote: »

That is not going to happen, and if you think it is. You clearly havent lived in this country long enough.

What will happen is the same rates, and perhaps the usual yearly increase in motor tax rates per vehicle and then they will throw on a charge for this Sorn calling it an Admin charge (not a tax)

That is what will happen. This is not the UK where policies are sensible and weighted.

Glass Half-Empty (of Listerine ?)......

AlekSmart

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Wait till you read this, Alek

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/VehicleOffRoadProcedures/TransitionalArrangements/

First,catch your Rabbit......ranks up there with the Declaration of Independence for clarity of purpose.

Why could they not have the on-line facility functional BEFORE rushing to get this into operation ?

listermint

AlekSmart wrote: »

Glass Half-Empty (of Listerine ?)......

No just being realistic about out of touch politicians who dont have to pay their way to get to work in the morning. So have not got a clue what it costs the average worker to get to work.

All they see is sly charges and easy ways to get money. This is yet another.

flyingsnail

AlekSmart wrote: »

First,catch your Rabbit......ranks up there with the Declaration of Independence for clarity of purpose.

Why could they not have the on-line facility functional BEFORE rushing to get this into operation ?

What, you expect thought to be put into the implementation? :P:P:P

Means Of Escape

flyingsnail wrote: »

What, you expect thought to be put into the implementation? :P:P:P

Of course we do like the motor tax system that's in place based on emissions topped the brilliant engine based criteria!:rolleyes: