working a 2nd job

DaNiEl1994

i was wondering whats the story with tax on a second job? i work friday and saturday in one and have been offered a monday to friday job now and am thinking of keeping both in 18 and still in secondary school, from what i gather im allowed to claim tax from my first job back all of it,

is it the same for the second job?

tatli_lokma

as a PAYE worker you will be given tax credits, and in some cases this will mean that you won't have any tax deducted from your wages as your salary is not high enough. In your case where you only work weekends this would usually be the case. You are actually still taxed on your salary, but when it is balanced against your credits you don't owe the tax man anything. But you are still being taxed.

However if you work more hours then you will be earning more and possibly will have to pay some tax on your total earnings. So yes you will have to pay tax on both employments.

In addition, there are limits on how many hours and days you can work per week. given you are still in school I am guessing that both of these jobs will be part time, but whether they are part or full time, either way you are obliged to let both employers know as they have a responsibility under the Organisation of Working Time Act to ensure that you are getting your statutory rest periods.

LowKeyReturn

You'll regret letting school suffer for the sake of a bit of cash now, just something to bear in mind.

You can't claim tax back just because you're at school/college, but you have to ear a certain amount before you are taxed. If you put school first you won't be working enough hours to have worry about tax.

The exception is if you have a limited period of increased hours, such as a summer job, you might want to write to the tax office at the end of the tax year as they may not have worked your tax out correctly and you might be due a refund of some amount.

DaNiEl1994

how many hour a week am i allowed to work between the 2 jobs

tatli_lokma

The maximum average hours you can work in a week are 48 and as a general rule you must have 11 hours between shifts (although there are some exemptions to this)

DaNiEl1994

Little Ted wrote: »

The maximum average hours you can work in a week are 48 and as a general rule you must have 11 hours between shifts (although there are some exemptions to this)

can one work more than 48 if they wish

tatli_lokma

DaNiEl1994 wrote: »

can one work more than 48 if they wish

Not on a regular basis. Over an average period you shouldn't be working more than 48 hours. Both your employers will have an obligation to ensure you do not exceed the legal maximum hours on a regular basis.

As said before if you are still in secondary school then there is honestly no way you would even be able to work a standard work week (the average full time position is 37-40 hrs) let alone a 48 hour week. You schooling could do nothing but suffer.

DaNiEl1994

Little Ted wrote: »

Not on a regular basis. Over an average period you shouldn't be working more than 48 hours. Both your employers will have an obligation to ensure you do not exceed the legal maximum hours on a regular basis.

As said before if you are still in secondary school then there is honestly no way you would even be able to work a standard work week (the average full time position is 37-40 hrs) let alone a 48 hour week. You schooling could do nothing but suffer.

sorry lads i must not have mentioned these are mainly summer jobs so wont affect my schooling , well the monday to friday one is, and the weekend one will only go into october.

so during my summer holidays am i allowed to work more than 48 hours if i wish?

tatli_lokma

no you are not. You can occasionally work more than 48 hours but over an average period - the usual period of time used is 4 months. So from July to October (when you will be finishing work) when you add up all the hours you have worked and divide by the number of weeks (if you work from the start of July to the end of Oct it will be 19 weeks) then the average cannot be more than 48. So you can work more than 48 hours occasionally, but only if this means that you work less hours other weeks to balance it out.

You must also have 11 hours between shifts in general and at least one full 24 hour period off per week.

Because you are working two jobs, you need to inform each employee of this. They then have a responsibility to ensure that between them you are getting your rest periods. Although this can be difficult for an employer to monitor as they will rely upon the honesty of the employee to tell them the hours they have worked. Also, depending on the nature of the work, health and safety is a consideration as if you are involved in an accident or cause an accident due to over work and lack of rest, your employer could face serious fines.

I know you probably want to earn as much as possible during the summer, but do you actually realise the undertaking you are suggesting of working 48 hrs per week? these 48 hours exclude breaks, so even if you only take 45 mins break each day, you will have spent almost 52 hours of the week in work and will not have had a full day off. This really will take its toll on you and won't leave you much time for socialising or resting. I think you should be more realistic about this and aim for a more reasonable number of hours somewhere around the 40 hours max and ensure you have at least one full 24 hour period off per week.

DaNiEl1994

right so sorry for being a pest but, if i started work in mid may on my weekend job which is friday and saturday nights 8 hours each night, and for 2 months i have been offered monday to friday 8 hours each morning.

the second job will finish in end of august but the first will continue till mid october.

so with june half of may september and half of october o the weekend job , it will surley cancel out to a 48 hour work week. sorry but hope i explained it as best i could

tatli_lokma

You seem to be ignoring the fact that you will have no days off in that period. That is just as important as the number of hours.

I can't really tell you anything else - I think I have been pretty clear on the legal obligations of employers. If you want a more definitive answer, contact workplace relations.

Do both your employers know that you will be working 8 hour shifts 7 days a week. As an employer there is no way I would permit that if for no other reason than health and safety and I could end up in serious hot water if an accident occured.

DaNiEl1994

fair enough thanks for that lads, but id have sunday day off if that helps lads as my rest period

tatli_lokma

a day - as in a full 24 hour period, preceded by an 11 hour period between shifts. Working for 8 hours on a sunday does not constitute a day off.

I give up! :facepalm:

Bandana boy

You will be fine to work both jobs for the summer legally
It will be tough but I can understand trying to keep the Part time work while using your free time for the summer to earn a few more euro

You will certainly break into the tax bracket ,the likelyhood is you will pay top tax rate on one job while a proper tax rate on the second.You will be able to claim any excess tax paid back at the end of the summer.

I did something similar every summer through school and college, and while it can be very tiring I usually managed a week off both jobs before starting school and could afford to take it somehere more interesting and sunny than Dublin so I felt it was worth it.