Draft Quaterfinal 3: Jax Teller vs Eli Manning

Bounty Hunter

more than half way through now so you know how this works. Nobody posts until both guys can do their write ups at which point (post away) ill add a poll and everyone can vote on who you think would win the match and go on to the semi final.

Jax Teller

Eli Manning

Neuer

Bayern & Germany No.1 for the last few years and the best keeper in the world at the moment in my opinion. Bayern splashed out €22m for him making him the second most expensive goalkeeper ever.
Goalkeeper of the year in the Bundesliga this year.

Suurbier

He was so quick and had so much style, that he was the right back, right midfielder and right winger at the same time, he also had great stamina so getting back into position was no problem. Suurbier was a key member of the dominant Ajax side which won 6 consecutive Eredivisie titles & 3 consecutive European cups in the late 60s early 70s.

Santamaria

A strong, uncompromising player, known for his high stamina and consistency, he was indispensable for the Real Madrid team which won three consecutive European Cups, five La Liga titles and the World Club Cup. Should have won a World Cup in 1950 with Uruguay but his club wouldn't let him play in the tournament. One of a handful of players to have played at a World Cup for 2 different countries.

Lucio

A strong centre-back with a good aerial ability and ability to start attacks from the back. A great leader for his country Brazil. One of the best defenders of the last 10 or 12 years.

Marzolini

A left back who starred for Argentina through the 1960s with defensive strength and aerial ability with great skill on the ball and an attacking instinct which gave him huge influence over the whole left side of the pitch.
(Bobby Charlton named him in the back 4 for his perfect 11 alongside Djalma Santos, Beckenbauer & Bobby Moore. I'll take his word that he was very good.)

Deschamps (C)

Deschamps a World cup and European championship winning captain, kept Makelele out of the French team for years , that proves how good he was to me .A player once described as a water carrier by Eric Cantona. Basically his job is to protect the back 4 and give the attacking players the ball to play with and he does a pretty good job of that.

Pirlo

Simply put one of the finest deep lying playmaker to have played the game. Praised for his technique, dribbling, control, incredible vision, inventive play and his accurate passing ability, he is also a set-piece specialist and is known for his long distance shooting and passing. A key player in the Italian national team since his debut in 2002, Pirlo won the 2006 World Cup and put in some wonderful performances in helping his side to the final of Euro 2012 where they were beaten by Spain.

Iniesta

Guardiola once said to this Xavi about Iniesta “You're going to retire me. This lad is going to retire us all." One of the most important players behind Barcelona’s & Spain’s success over the past 6 or 7 years. Versatile, intuitive, masterful, a midfield maestro.

Ribery

Fast, tricky and an excellent dribbler he has great control with the ball at his feet. Many would have questioned his defensive work rate before this season but he has improved on that massively. Whether he’s cutting in onto his favoured right foot or going down the line with his left foot he is always a danger. Voted Bundesliga player of the year for 12/13

Bale

Excellent going forwards, with a goal-scoring touch. He can deliver a great cross on the run and he is also a free-kick specialist. Maybe some will say he can’t play on the right but I feel he has proven over the past year or 2 he can play there.
PFA Player of the year for 12/13

Ronaldo

One of the most complete strikers of all time, 467 goals in 678 games for club & country. Record goal scorer in World Cup history. Pacey, intelligent, skilful & an excellent finisher. One of 3 players to win have won Fifa World player of the year 3 times.

Bit of useless trivia : My first 3 picks Roanldo, Iniesta & Pirlo have been the Man of the Match in the last 3 World Cup Finals.

Red Crow

Pat Jennings is one of the greatest keepers of all time. A solid stopper the Northern Irish international is one of the best stoppers in this draft.

At right back I’ve selected Jorginho. An integral part of Brazil’s 1994 successful World Cup campaign - Jorginho is an attacking full back who was also a solid defender. Having moved from Flamengo to Bayer Leverkuson in 1989, he quickly established himself as a quality player. After three season at Bayer Leverkuson he earned a move to Bayern Munich where he finished out the better part of his playing days winning a Bundesliga in 1994. His career was ultimately cut short by injuries.

Daniel Passarella was a real winner on the field. He captained the Argentinian side that won the 1978 World Cup and also won the 1986 World Cup. Known as "El Gran Capitán"- “The Great Captain” Passarella played for River Plate, Inter, Fiorentina and Sarmiento. An accomplished centre-half/sweeper Passarella is always brought up when discussing the best centre backs of all time. A natural leader he will be the captain of my side. He’s my favourite CB behind only Franz Beckenbauer.

I wanted a big strong centre half to compliment Passarella and that’s why I selected Vincent Kompany. In his short spell in the Premier League he has proven himself to be a real leader on the field for Manchester City. Kompany’s height is a very useful addition to this defence. Well thought of as a youngster in Belgium – Kompany started his career at Anderlecht. He drew the attention of national team coach Anthuenis at the age of 17 making him one of the youngest players to make their debut in International football. Captain of both club and country this guy is a real centre half and is one of the best in his position.

At left back I’ve selected Schnellinger. Born during the war years this hardy German International grew up in Duren which was one of the main fronts of the Second World War. An AC Milan legend, Schnellinger is equally as competent as a centre half as a full back. He has won a scudetto, a European Cup and the Bundesliga.

At right midfield I have Arjen Robben. He’s possibly one of the most underrated wingers of this generation and bar Cristiano Ronaldo I think this guy is the best. He’s quick on the counter and is sublime at cutting in. This guy’s pace is a real threat to any defence. He’s won two Premier Leagues, two Bundesligas and a La Liga title. He’s also won the Champions League and in the final this guy won man of the match and scored the winning goal. He’s also been to a World Cup final with the Netherlands and has established himself as a player who can adapt himself to many different leagues. He’s also a brilliant goalscorer with 45 goals in 78 leage games for Bayern Munich. He also scores important goals against Manchester United, Barcelona, Dortmund etc.

In the middle of the park I’ve selected Falcao who is, without a doubt, one of the best Brazilian players of all time. A more defensive minded player than Gullit, Falcao was at one stage the highest paid player in the world. He was Roma’s best player when he guided them to their first league title in 40 years. Towards the end of his career with Roma he developed knee problems but was amongst the greatest players to ever play in Serie A and was possibly the greatest ever player to play for Roma.

In front of Falcao is Ruud Gullit. An accomplished player he won two European Cups, 3 Scudetto’s and a European Championship amongst many other accolades. Individually he won the Ballon d’Or in 1987. Upon arrival at Milan Gullit helped them to secure their first Scudetto in nine years. He was fast, strong, good in the air and had great technical ability. Gullit had it all and was very able to play at many positions. The late George Best described Gullit as “better than Maradona”. This duo in midfield are going to be very hard to stop and close down. Both are good at retaining the ball but both are also well able for the physical side of the game too.

Rivelino was a “left midfielder” who was equally as competent as an attacking midfielder. A quality dribbler and dead ball specialist he one of the greatest footballers of all time. He was capped 94 times for Brazil and is a World Cup winner. He’s a quality addition to my side and there is an argument to be made that he is perhaps the greatest player in his position ever.

Van Basten is a 3 time Ballon d’Or winner. My favourite player of all time, the two time European Cup winner needs no introduction.

Eusebio is another Ballon d’Or winner in my side. An excellent forward Eusebio was a great goalscorer in his day. He holds the record for the most times a player has won the top scorer in the Primeira Liga. Africa’s greatest ever player has a record of 585 goals in 571 games. Nobody could stop this guy in his prime and is part of a scary partnership with van Basten.

Jax Teller

Eli Manning

Best of Luck Eli.
Haven't got much time at the moment so this will have to do for the minute .

I can see my team dominating possession with a 3 vs 2 in midfield and with Iniesta , Pirlo , Bale & Ribery supplying the lethal Ronaldo I can see us scoring . Van Basten will be forced to drop deep for the ball which is perfect for me as the further he is away from the goal the better .

Red Crow

Jax Teller wrote: »

Best of Luck Eli.
Haven't got much time at the moment so this will have to do for the minute .

I can see my team dominating possession with a 3 vs 2 in midfield and with Iniesta , Pirlo , Bale & Ribery supplying the lethal Ronaldo I can see us scoring . Van Basten will be forced to drop deep for the ball which is perfect for me as the further he is away from the goal the better .

Best of luck Jax Teller.

I disagree with your statement that you would dominate possession. I think the 3 v 2 argument is a fairly lazy assessment. You're playing Pirlo far too high off the pitch. Pirlo needs space to operate effectively. Having him right in the middle amongst the energetic Falcao and talented Gullit is going to seriously strangle his impact on the game. I think that is a huge mistake but having selected the players you did you leave yourself no choice but to play Deschamps behind Pirlo. When Pirlo gets less time on the ball he becomes a much less effective player and we've seen this in the past when he becomes overrun and two huge examples of this can be seen against Manchester United and Spain. I can see the same happening in this match-up.

I don't think Ribery and Bale are going to be able to get the supply to Ronaldo. From looking at your formation your team seems to be rather dependant on Pirlo making the gaps through the middle. With Pirlo not being as effective, I don't think this match-up suits him at all, I just don't see the wingers having the space to operate. The pace of Jorginho and Robben would cause Ribery and Marzolini a lot of trouble.

Deschamps is a good player but he's not beating Marco van Basten. No defence is going to stop van Basten and Eusebio. I think you're going to get into big trouble tracking back and if you attack like you claim you will then Robben and Rivelino are going to be there on the counter attack to supply van Basten and Eusebio.

My team could also switch to a 3-5-1-1 formation if needed. Like the Abidal/Dani Alves cover I could move to a 3 pairing at center back and move Jorginho up the pitch and switch Robben over to the left and play Rivelino through the middle.



I think my team has too many options and I think Pirlo is a wasted talent. The guy operates well but needs time on the ball and he's not going to get that here. Iniesta is a hard player to stop but without the creativity and movement behind him he'll end up looking for the ball in the wrong end of the pitch. I just think my side is better equipped to play this match.

Jax Teller

Eli Manning

Eli Manning wrote: »

Best of luck Jax Teller.

I disagree with your statement that you would dominate possession. I think the 3 v 2 argument is a fairly lazy assessment. You're playing Pirlo far too high off the pitch. Pirlo needs space to operate effectively. Having him right in the middle amongst the energetic Falcao and talented Gullit is going to seriously strangle his impact on the game. I think that is a huge mistake but having selected the players you did you leave yourself no choice but to play Deschamps behind Pirlo. When Pirlo gets less time on the ball he becomes a much less effective player and we've seen this in the past when he becomes overrun and two huge examples of this can be seen against Manchester United and Spain. I can see the same happening in this match-up.

I don't think Ribery and Bale are going to be able to get the supply to Ronaldo. From looking at your formation your team seems to be rather dependant on Pirlo making the gaps through the middle. With Pirlo not being as effective, I don't think this match-up suits him at all, I just don't see the wingers having the space to operate. The pace of Jorginho and Robben would cause Ribery and Marzolini a lot of trouble.

Deschamps is a good player but he's not beating Marco van Basten. No defence is going to stop van Basten and Eusebio. I think you're going to get into big trouble tracking back and if you attack like you claim you will then Robben and Rivelino are going to be there on the counter attack to supply van Basten and Eusebio.

My team could also switch to a 3-5-1-1 formation if needed. Like the Abidal/Dani Alves cover I could move to a 3 pairing at center back and move Jorginho up the pitch and switch Robben over to the left and play Rivelino through the middle.



I think my team has too many options and I think Pirlo is a wasted talent. The guy operates well but needs time on the ball and he's not going to get that here. Iniesta is a hard player to stop but without the creativity and movement behind him he'll end up looking for the ball in the wrong end of the pitch. I just think my side is better equipped to play this match.

As I said earlier I hadn't got much time so you can excuse my "lazy assessment"

With regards to Pirlo you can expect him to play his usual game and I don't see much difference between him lining up with Deschamps to when he played with Gattuso for all them years . I found your criticism of where I have him positoned to be quite pedantic tbh it's just a diagram for example I could argue that Eusebio won't threaten me much as he's standing in offside position behind my centre backs but I'm not going to do because I know he wont stay there .

Also you're suggestion that Pirlo will be overrun is an unusual one especially when them games happened years after his prime but I'll respond to it anyway Man United & Spain overran Milan & Italy's midfield by outnumbering them something you don't do to my team . United played Park just off Rooney and his job was to track Pirlo all game, which one of your team is going to do this ? . Spain had Xavi press Pirlo with Iniesta & Silva tucking in to make a 4-5-1/4-6-0 all to counteract Pirlo's great passing range . Are you going to employ this tactic ?

"Deschamps is a good player but he's not beating Marco van Basten." Yes Deschamps is a good player but he doesn't have to beat Van Basten on his own he's got to 2 good centre back behind to help with that .

"I think you're going to get into big trouble tracking back and if you attack like you claim you will then Robben and Rivelino are going to be there on the counter attack to supply van Basten and Eusebio. " Bale & Ribery are quite good at tracking back on the wings so I see that being a problem . I also offer quite a good counter attack which you've failed to mention are Robben & Rivelino going to track back ? Robben might but I would have question marks over Rivelino . Oh I never mentioned how I was going to attack don't know where you got that from

But I do aim to play a high pressure possesion based game like Barca or Spain but with a more direct attack utlising the pace of Ribery, Bale & Ronaldo .

The fact you consider changing formation proves to me you're worried about my team doing damage and infact if you do I can see Bale , Ribery & Ronaldo tearing your defense a new arsehole . I can also change formations you know I could play 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 but I don't think I need to .

bucketybuck

I'm going to go for Eli Manning on this one.

Like it or not, my opinion is that Neuer and Bale have not achieved nearly enough in the game to warrant their place at this table. Will they be greats? Ask me again in ten years. But as of today they havent done enough.

I said this in another thread, but I also dislike this idea that an effective team needs a bloody water carrier. The Deschamps and Makelele's might be very effective, but a defensive midfielder will never be as effective for a team as a quality player that can both defend AND attack. Teams played the water carriers because the likes of Roy Keane are thin on the ground, but in this draft you had the chance to pick any player in history, there was really no need to pick players limited to only one role.

Jax needed three players to do the job that two players are doing for Eli Manning. Thats not a good thing in my eyes.

I don't have any real opinion on the defense beyond noting Lucio as a good defender but not much more, and I don't know anything about the full backs, so no comment.

All that said, my vote is for Eli Manning's team. My opinion, my vote.

Red Crow

Jax Teller wrote: »

As I said earlier I hadn't got much time so you can excuse my "lazy assessment"

No problem.

With regards to Pirlo you can expect him to play his usual game and I don't see much difference between him lining up with Deschamps to when he played with Gattuso for all them years . I found your criticism of where I have him positoned to be quite pedantic tbh it's just a diagram for example I could argue that Eusebio won't threaten me much as he's standing in offside position behind my centre backs but I'm not going to do because I know he wont stay there .

I don't believe that is the case. Pirlo was always a deeper player than Gattuso. I don't think a positional argument is a pedantic one. You have Pirlo deployed higher up the pitch than where he usually plays. Players like Xavi have made this point in the past. When he played the 'pivote' role he felt he was wasted however when he was moved 10 yards up the pitch he became a far better, more effective player. Positioning is key, especially in a three man midfield. If you lined Busquets up ahead of Iniesta you would be rightly slated for it and I don't see the difference here.

I don't know what you mean by the Eusebio bit.

Also you're suggestion that Pirlo will be overrun is an unusual one especially when them games happened years after his prime but I'll respond to it anyway Man United & Spain overran Milan & Italy's midfield by outnumbering them something you don't do to my team . United played Park just off Rooney and his job was to track Pirlo all game, which one of your team is going to do this ? . Spain had Xavi press Pirlo with Iniesta & Silva tucking in to make a 4-5-1/4-6-0 all to counteract Pirlo's great passing range . Are you going to employ this tactic ?

When was Pirlo's prime because I'm really interested in this? It's a lot more recent than you think. Xavi was inconsistent with his pressing in that game and it's a moot point as my point is that because of your direct failure to deploy Pirlo in his correct role he will become overrun. I don't think Deschamps-Pirlo works tbh.

"Deschamps is a good player but he's not beating Marco van Basten." Yes Deschamps is a good player but he doesn't have to beat Van Basten on his own he's got to 2 good centre back behind to help with that .

"I think you're going to get into big trouble tracking back and if you attack like you claim you will then Robben and Rivelino are going to be there on the counter attack to supply van Basten and Eusebio. " Bale & Ribery are quite good at tracking back on the wings so I see that being a problem . I also offer quite a good counter attack which you've failed to mention are Robben & Rivelino going to track back ? Robben might but I would have question marks over Rivelino . Oh I never mentioned how I was going to attack don't know where you got that from

But I do aim to play a high pressure possesion based game like Barca or Spain but with a more direct attack utlising the pace of Ribery, Bale & Ronaldo .

Who is going to press form the front Ronaldo? Both systems revolve around a "false 9". Who is that player? You say you want to go more direct. I'm not quite sure how that works. I don't think you have selected the right players for a high pressing game. You either press high up or become more direct. But as I said I don't really think that is the best way forward for your side. In order for you to enforce a high pressure system you'll need Deschamps to play the 'Busquets' role which is a bit alien to Deschamps tbh.

The fact you consider changing formation proves to me you're worried about my team doing damage and infact if you do I can see Bale , Ribery & Ronaldo tearing your defense a new arsehole . I can also change formations you know I could play 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 but I don't think I need to .

I really don't know how to respond to that. Do you think Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho etc. go into a game without a Plan B? The arrogance.

Donnielighto

Pep didnt tbf

Winston Payne

Guardiola would often have Barcelona change shape throughout a game (against Milan in his final season for example) and he even moved between defensive shapes, he was looking at 3-4-3 in his second year, the back three contained only one centre half in some games, Busquets' hybrid role etc. He's got many different plans up his sleeve.

Donnielighto

Winston Payne wrote: »

Guardiola would often have Barcelona change shape throughout a game (against Milan in his final season for example) and he even moved between defensive shapes, he was looking at 3-4-3 in his second year, the back three contained only one centre half in some games, Busquets' hybrid role etc. He's got many different plans up his sleeve.

But within games he failed to react in big matches. The attacking system was supremely effective but it took precedence over all it seemed. Sometimes hoofing it in to a big lad is a viable tactic.

Winston Payne

Donnielighto wrote: »

But within games he failed to react in big matches. The attacking system was supremely effective but it took precedence over all it seemed. Sometimes hoofing it in to a big lad is a viable tactic.

I'd argue that the only really big games that he got wrong were Inter at home in the CL semi-final and Real Madrid at home in the league 11/12. Against Chelsea they had so many chances and a missed penalty can't be laid at his door. I agree with you that a variance in style can be as effective as a change in shape, and if there's an aerial weakness that you can exploit, you should.

Jax Teller

Eli Manning

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'm going to go for Eli Manning on this one.

Like it or not, my opinion is that Neuer and Bale have not achieved nearly enough in the game to warrant their place at this table. Will they be greats? Ask me again in ten years. But as of today they havent done enough.

I said this in another thread, but I also dislike this idea that an effective team needs a bloody water carrier. The Deschamps and Makelele's might be very effective, but a defensive midfielder will never be as effective for a team as a quality player that can both defend AND attack. Teams played the water carriers because the likes of Roy Keane are thin on the ground, but in this draft you had the chance to pick any player in history, there was really no need to pick players limited to only one role.

Jax needed three players to do the job that two players are doing for Eli Manning. Thats not a good thing in my eyes.

I don't have any real opinion on the defense beyond noting Lucio as a good defender but not much more, and I don't know anything about the full backs, so no comment.

All that said, my vote is for Eli Manning's team. My opinion, my vote.

In my opinion you have judged teams and gone about this draft in the wrong spirit. You’ve repeatedly said this guy isn’t a legend & that guy isn’t a legend, even after the organiser confirmed the legend in the title just meant you can pick legends.

As Blatter put in the discussion thread

The aim of the draft should still be to pick the best team possible. I don't understand why you'd pick player A, who had inferior ability to player B, just because player A is currently considered more of a 'legend' than player B.

You should be judging players on their ability not on how much of a legend you consider them and in fact the rules confirm this.

What exactly has my opponents Goalkeeper achieved that Neuer hasn’t?

Jennings won 2 x Fa Cups , 2 x League Cups & 1 x Uefa Cup he never won any league titles , the teams he played for never really challenged for league titles , he played in 1 x World Cup where Northern Ireland got knocked out at the group stages .

Neuer has won 2x DFB Cups, 1 x German League Cup 1x Bundesliga, 1 x European Under-21 Football Championship & 1x Champions League. He’s played in 2 x Champions League Finals, 1 X World Cup where his team reached the the semi-finals, 1x European Championship where his team reached the semi-finals again.

If anything at the age of 27 Neuer has achieved more than Jennings did in his 25 year career where he played over 1000 games. I believe you’re from the North? so maybe you’ve a soft spot for Jennings , I'll even admit he was a great keeper but saying my keeper has not achieved nearly enough in the game to warrant his place at this table is not right and just by putting "My opinion, my vote" doesn't make it right .


Bale might not have achieved much but he’s one of the best attacking players playing football at the moment & again you should be judging him on his ability not on what he has achieved.

Donnielighto

Completely agree, it was laid out in the original thread. I cant decide so ill prob just vote against buckety to even it up.

Red Crow

Donnielighto wrote: »

Completely agree, it was laid out in the original thread. I cant decide so ill prob just vote against buckety to even it up.

That's an even worse base to make your decision on.

Donnielighto

Eli Manning wrote: »

That's an even worse base to make your decision on.

Not at all. I think both teams are very close, picking one would be voting for the sake of it. i judge buckety to be voting against the ethos of the draft so would prefer his not to be counted. My countervote would ensure that.

bucketybuck

What a whiney load of bull****. Unlike many, every time I have voted I have given my reasons for doing so. Apparently Jax doesn't like my reasons, but I really couldn't give a toss about that, its my vote to cast and I will cast however I damn well please. At least I am doing it honestly based on my own opinions, rather than on a popularity contest.

At least I cast my vote based on my opinion of the teams, rather than on what another poster did. :rolleyes:

If anybody has approached the draft in the wrong spirit it is Jax Teller, who right from the discussion thread has roundly attacked anybody who dared criticise his team. Seriously mate, get over yourself.

bucketybuck

Donnielighto wrote: »

Not at all. I think both teams are very close, picking one would be voting for the sake of it. i judge buckety to be voting against the ethos of the draft so would prefer his not to be counted. My countervote would ensure that.

Grow some balls and make a choice based on the teams laid out in front of you, not based on anything I have done.

Red Crow

Donnielighto wrote: »

Not at all. I think both teams are very close, picking one would be voting for the sake of it. i judge buckety to be voting against the ethos of the draft so would prefer his not to be counted. My countervote would ensure that.

So becuase you think that someone is voting against the 'ethos' of the draft you are going to go against the 'ethos' of the draft and vote for someone else? Thanks Superman.

jem

Hi,
Two very good teams well balances "match"
jennings had a great career over a long time however as JAX said Neuer has achieved a massive amount in a shorter time just about shade JAX.
CB's have to go with Eli's two.
Even having read the write ups I have to admitt that I dont know enough about JAx's two Fb's likewise dont know a lot about Schnellinger .going to give a draw here.
The midfield/ striking department gives me some difficulty.
I prefer the idea of a middle 3 of JAx and dechamps while called a water carrier by cantona was an exceptional defensive midfielder
BUt...
Eli has two of my favourite players in the middle and he has who I believe was the best out and out striker that I have ever seen in Van Basten.
jasus this it hard.
Give it eli by a whisker

Donnielighto

bucketybuck wrote: »

Grow some balls and make a choice based on the teams laid out in front of you, not based on anything I have done.

you a problem with someone picking bale and neuer based what though. Like if one of them got a pcl injury or sonething and couldnt play you wouldnt be ok with them being picked in a similar draft in 10 years?

Morte

Eli Manning

This was an exceptionally tough one. Still not sure I made the right choice but I went for Jax in the end. I think 4-2-3-1 matches up very well against a 4-4-2 which gives him the edge. Also, while Ribery and Bale aren't the two best wingers in the draft (and Bale is on the wrong wing) they are amongst the most hard working. This makes him really tough to play against as only Ronaldo won't contribute much defensively.

Eli was the first person whose tactical write up really made me think though. I think he's right about Pirlo. Jax's team is clearly based on Barca's and the Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta trio. Busquets hung back as the defensive midfielder and Xavi was in the middle. Whilst Pirlo is another great playmaker he's not the same player. He generally hung back in the Busquets position and is usually paired with a box to box type in the Xavi (central midfield) position. The roles are reversed. Pirlo operates better when he's more space and time, he's not as good as Xavi at handling pressure. I think Jax will get away with it though as it's a 3 vs 2 match up in the middle, even if the 2 are both hard workers.

Jax Teller

Eli Manning

Looks like I won . Hard luck Eli .