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Dark Fibre in Ireland

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  • 25-06-2013 10:56am
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    DieselPowered
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    Does anyone know if the Irish regulation on Dark Fibre (fibre optic owned by an individual company between two of their locations) is now permitted?

    A couple of years ago it was regulated and you had to purchased a managed service (managed fibre) from the main carriers, especially if the route was short and within an IDA business park.


    Thanks


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    elderlemon
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    Doesn't ESB sell/provide dark fibre?


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    DieselPowered
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    elderlemon wrote: »
    Doesn't ESB sell/provide dark fibre?

    Not sure, but I don't want to purchase dark fibre, I want to know if a company can install dark fibre themselves today without any issues. ;)


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    oscarBravo
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    The only problem with installing dark fibre is ducting. Either you have to put the fibre in someone else's duct (which you probably won't be able to do, unless ducting has been installed specifically for open access purposes) or you have to do some digging and install your own duct (which is expensive).


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    DieselPowered
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    The only problem with installing dark fibre is ducting. Either you have to put the fibre in someone else's duct (which you probably won't be able to do, unless ducting has been installed specifically for open access purposes) or you have to do some digging and install your own duct (which is expensive).

    The thread relates to the regulation and allowance of Dark Fibre in Ireland, lets assume all other regular road blocks are there - own ducting, permission etc.


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    oscarBravo
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    DieselPowered wrote: »
    The thread relates to the regulation and allowance of Dark Fibre in Ireland, lets assume all other regular road blocks are there - own ducting, permission etc.
    If you own your own ducting between two buildings, or have permission to use someone else's ducting between two buildings, then there are no regulatory issues involved in running fibre between those buildings that I am aware of.


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    watty
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    Indeed it's been deregulated.

    You used to have to get permission to run ANY communications cable from the Minister of P&T! Even a Baby Intercom between a neighbour in theory needed a licence.

    Anyone can be a Cable company too now.

    You can also use poles. There is not currently the ability to rent space on eircom poles. The ESB tends to put their own fibre on their poles. It's no harder to do fibre to the home than electricity, gas, water, telephone or sewage. Fibre can even go in sewage pipes. Unfortunately Ireland has 440,000 approx septic tanks and loads of group water schemes and thus is less suited for fibre than almost anywhere in Europe by those methods.

    But anything installed on anyone else's land needs "wayleave" from the owner.


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    DieselPowered
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    watty wrote: »
    Indeed it's been deregulated.

    Thanks - any idea when or info online about it?

    I know some years ago the IDA didn't like the idea of this (within IDA business parks) and the carriers controlled the space with this one forcing you to pay big money for what was in reality a short distance to bridge.


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    watty
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    Well, on an IDA park they own the ground/ducts. That would be a problem.


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    clohamon
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    DieselPowered wrote: »
    Thanks - any idea when or info online about it?


    Part Three of this Act might be relevant.
    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/acts/2010/a0210.pdf


    For roads the relevant agency is the NRA.
    http://www.NRA.ie/RepositoryforPublicationsInfo/file,18205,en.pdf

    e|net have loads of experience and might help.... or not.
    http://www.e-net.ie/


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    DieselPowered
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    clohamon wrote: »
    Part Three of this Act might be relevant.
    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/acts/2010/a0210.pdf

    For roads the relevant agency is the NRA.
    http://www.NRA.ie/RepositoryforPublicationsInfo/file,18205,en.pdf

    e|net have loads of experience and might help.... or not.
    http://www.e-net.ie/

    Thanks a lot - very good info. I'll have a read.


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    bengii
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    Typically companies rent or lease channels on a fibre, unless it is just inter-building or data centre. Talk to the folks at enet (http://www.enet.ie/) They manage fibre and capacity on a wholesale basis all the time, they would be able to clarify any questions you have pretty quickly as they deal in this area all the time


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