Fire arms

Royal87

Does psni officers carry guns home?

Gee-22

Royal87 wrote: »

Does psni officers carry guns home?

They they take their ppw with them home, and at times, while off duty.

D4z

ppw = personal protection weapon

You're allowed to apply for a ppw in any armed forces and the prison service (PSNI, TA, Army, Air force, Navy, Marines etc..)

biker701

D4z wrote: »

ppw = personal protection weapon

You're allowed to apply for a ppw in any armed forces and the prison service (PSNI, TA, Army, Air force, Navy, Marines etc..)

I presume it wouldn't be as widespread in the NIPS as the others considering firearms are less relevant in the prisons than the armed forces thus extra training would be needed first?

emk192

biker701 wrote: »

I presume it wouldn't be as widespread in the NIPS as the others considering firearms are less relevant in the prisons than the armed forces thus extra training would be needed first?

maybe not needed within the prison, but PO's still live under a certain level of threat so i think it is right that they are allowed a PPW

D4z

biker701 wrote: »

I presume it wouldn't be as widespread in the NIPS as the others considering firearms are less relevant in the prisons than the armed forces thus extra training would be needed first?

I know a couple prison officer's and all of them have/carry their ppw, I think it is more the older guys that carry as they have had to move due to threats or live in an area that has high threat levels around it.

Irish abroad

Lads ill just clarify a point I found while in the recent UK transfer process

If your home address is in ROI you can't bring the PPW with you .

One lad declined to apply when his plans were "ruined".

notbrazil

Irish abroad wrote: »

Lads ill just clarify a point I found while in the recent UK transfer process

If your home address is in ROI you can't bring the PPW with you .

One lad declined to apply when his plans were "ruined".

Stupidity beyond belief. Surely the thought that you can't carry a firearm across an international border without hinderance should have occurred to this person before entering the process?

rookie_boarder

notbrazil wrote: »

Stupidity beyond belief. Surely the thought that you can't carry a firearm across an international border without hinderance should have occurred to this person before entering the process?

Totally agreed, folks where is the right kind of thinking gone...

Shield

It's something that a few people do, but without the necessary permits. Those of us who moved up from the Republic were keen to find out what was required in order to be allowed to carry your service issue firearm across the border into the ROI.

Bearing in mind that this information is as old as the last time a Dub in the job asked for permission, and that is 3 years old at least. He was refused permission from the job to bring his service issue firearm, so he looked into the possibility of purchasing a second Glock to bring across the border instead.

From what I recall, first and foremost, you still need to let the job know, and that is likely to trigger (excuse the pun) a series of questions from your superiors just for the record. Then you need a European Firearms Pass. After that, you need to seek permission from the C/Supt of every district you will be passing through on the way to your final destination. More info on this here.

You then need to have a gun safe installed into the location you will be staying at, and there are a whole load of requirements that must be met before any application is even considered at any level. For security reasons, I cannot disclose these requirements.

You then need a permit from the C/Supt of the district you will be staying at, and I believe a face-to-face meeting is par for the course. Given that a C/Supt does not have to give any reason for refusing permission to enter his district with a restricted firearm (handgun), and you have no right to appeal or any right to ask for the refusal reason. All of us who moved across the border figured out very quickly that the very first C/Supt is 99% likely to refuse. Why? Simply put, it's on his head if it's lost, stolen in a carjacking, used on you or any member of the public, and the list goes on. With no upside in granting permission, the most logical thing in the world to do is refuse. I would.

I've spoken on here about this previously, and I'll say it again because I know some of you guys still read my posts: Don't do it. It's just not worth it. If you're caught, you can wave goodbye to your job, and that's just to start with. It is likely you'd be charged with possession of an unlicensed firearm, and depending on the judge, you could easily be looking at a custodial sentence - and you might as well be issued with t-shirts that have "Stab Here" where your aorta would be. Ex-cops being imprisoned usually end up in protective segregation for 23 hours a day for their own protection, and are usually (sadly) a suicide risk.

I know one guy who does it routinely and I would urge him to stop for his own good. I was pulled over this year when I was down in Dublin and usually I just show my credentials and head off after a bit of chat. These ones weren't interested in my status as a fellow law enforcement officer. They searched my car from top to bottom, under the bonnet, under the spare wheel, everywhere. I was as polite and friendly as possible, but these 2 were the rudest I've ever encountered - and my AGS mates on here know I wouldn't say that without just cause. [/RANT]

TL;DR --->There's no chance of you ever getting permission to bring a handgun over the border in to the Republic of Ireland. I could close this thread off but I'm going to leave it open for those of you who have further questions about the firearms aspect of joining the PSNI, so please keep comments and questions on-topic. That also applies to me!

rookie_boarder

what if this persons thinking is...
If anybody is targeting me in the south, when they are in the south, and let's say intel isn't great, would the thinking not be, I'd rather be armed and have a go, maybe save themselves...in which case losing your job would be worth it...? I know it far out there, but its not too far out there...if you get my meaning...

Space_Invader

rookie_boarder wrote: »

what if this persons thinking is...
If anybody is targeting me in the south, when they are in the south, and let's say intel isn't great, would the thinking not be, I'd rather be armed and have a go, maybe save themselves...in which case losing your job would be worth it...? I know it far out there, but its not too far out there...if you get my meaning...

Or just live in the north...

DesertCreat_15

Space_Invader wrote: »

Or just live in the north...

Yes Rookie Boarder, i don't think we should ever visit family again, unless of course we get a chinook taxi, low and fast over the border :pac:

rookie_boarder

Space_Invader wrote: »

Or just live in the north...

Hahaha, very good...!

Space_Invader

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

Yes Rookie Boarder, i don't think we should ever visit family again, unless of course we get a chinook taxi, low and fast over the border :pac:

I just meant that it would be better to live in the north for your own safety not as if you're totally exiled to NI

DesertCreat_15

Space_Invader wrote: »

I just meant that it would be better to live in the north for your own safety not as if you're totally exiled to NI

Living in NI is essential..no way anybody could rely on the Gardai, but its hard to know in his post if he meant actually living in the south or meant in the case he was visiting relatives or something. It Wasn't very clear in that regard

Gee-22

rookie_boarder wrote: »

what if this persons thinking is...
If anybody is targeting me in the south, when they are in the south, and let's say intel isn't great, would the thinking not be, I'd rather be armed and have a go, maybe save themselves...in which case losing your job would be worth it...? I know it far out there, but its not too far out there...if you get my meaning...

Why not just take your PPW with you when you cross the boarder, no one would know unless you needed to use it... and if you had cause to use it would they do anything more than give you a slap on the wrist?

Space_Invader

Gee-22 wrote: »

Why not just take your PPW with you when you cross the boarder, no one would know unless you needed to use it... and if you had cause to use it would they do anything more than give you a slap on the wrist?

I'd say it'd be a lot more serious than a slap on the wrist. At the end of the day, you're in a different jurisdiction and would be treated as a criminal for possession of a restricted firearm.

Another possibility of getting 'found out' would be if you were stopped and searched by AGS

Royal87

What hand gun do psni carry?

kitchensink

Royal87 wrote: »

What hand gun do psni carry?

Glock

black hack

Glock 17

senordingdong

The ROI does not take the protection of its security forces as seriously as it should and similarly reverts to tabloid hysterics at the sheer mention of handgun possession.

All that considered, it's remarkable that an constable living in the republic has not yet been targeted.